[frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation
hose
Stephen, Robert
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:23:49 +0000
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Sorry for the elate information
My name is Bob Stephen and I have a Frers 36 in Chicago
I did replace the water bladder on both starboard and port settee.
These are stock tanks that are made from a company in Milwaukee Wisconsin c=
alled Kracor. They have a web site on all stock sizes they make. Specially=
they design may tanks for the marine industry. Thanks for water and waste
Maybe this is useful also for the Frers 33
Bob Stephen
Itchy Magoo
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Neal Melanson
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:10 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation? Much ap=
preciated.
Neal
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net<mailto=
:fxalbert@prodigy.net>> wrote:
Ed,
First your going to need really, really good hose. I recommend Trident Pre=
mium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine. It's not cheap at $7.99=
a foot but there is no (NONE) smell from this hose. I've had it now on th=
e boat for 5 years, no problems. Next you're going to want a thick walled =
rigid plastic tank. You buy a flexible tank and it will stink and you will=
be sorry. Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once. You buy that an=
d you're boat will eventually be filled with waste water. Nothing but acid=
is more corrosive than human waste. It will eat right through SS but has =
no affect on plastic. I located my tank forward on the port side. Everyth=
ing from the head is pumped directly into the tank. From the tank there is=
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor=
e.
My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =
that would fit up front.
I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350. But when I sle=
ep in the V-birth just 3 inches from that stuff and don't smell anything ba=
d I know it was one of the better boat investments.
Good luck.
Frank Albert 41621
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@videotron.ca>> wrote:
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca<mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca>=
>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com<mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com>" <fr=
ers-list@lists.frers33.com<mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com>>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
Ed,
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=
nks, and really good odor control info.
Bill Thompson
d'Ad lib
Montreal
William Thompson
Sent from my iPad
On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com<htt=
p://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com>> wrote:
Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Tom
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/=
compose?to=3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> [mailto:frers-list-admin@l=
ists.frers33.com<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com>] On Behalf Of E=
d Putnam
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=
to=3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
se
1) I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a rig=
id tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good source=
for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as pos=
sible, with a capacity of about 20 - 30 gallons.
2) I'm also in the process of trying to fix/improve the holding tank/p=
lumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odor problems.=
The current set up is not original. Does anyone have the original layout o=
f the tank & plumbing for it? I've seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks a=
nd clean. Only problem everything is forward, not exactly where I want the =
weight.
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and=
inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the h=
oses which I could readily get to.
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=
se attached to it.
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=
r.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Ed Putnam
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Sorry for the elate inf=
ormation</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">My name is Bob Stephen =
and I have a Frers 36 in Chicago</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">I did replace the water=
bladder on both starboard and port settee.</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">These are stock tanks t=
hat are made from a company in Milwaukee Wisconsin called Kracor. They have=
a web site on all stock sizes they make. Specially they
design may tanks for the marine industry. Thanks for water and waste</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Maybe this is useful al=
so for the Frers 33
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Bob Stephen</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"C=
alibri","sans-serif"; color:#1F497D">Itchy Magoo</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Neal Melanson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sa=
nitation hose</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that=
installation? Much appreciated.</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">Neal</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <<=
a href=3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net</a>> wrote:<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ed,</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">First your going to need really, really good hose.&n=
bsp; I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Mari=
ne. It's not cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell =
from this hose. I've had it now on the boat for
5 years, no problems. Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid=
plastic tank. You buy a flexible tank and it will stink an=
d you will be sorry. Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once.&n=
bsp; You buy that and you're boat will eventually be filled with
waste water. Nothing but acid is more corrosive than human waste.&nb=
sp; It will eat right through SS but has no affect on plastic. I loca=
ted my tank forward on the port side. Everything from the head is pum=
ped directly into the tank. From the tank there is
a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor=
e.</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but i=
t was the biggest tank that would fit up front.</p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> I think the hose wound up costing me somewher=
e near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 inches from =
that stuff and don't smell anything bad I know it was one of the bette=
r boat investments.</p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Good luck. <br>
Frank Albert 41621</p>
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From: William Thompson <<a href=3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca" target=
=3D"_blank">foredeck@videotron.ca</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose<br>
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Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Ed,</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out =
the Raritan site for tanks, and really good odor control info.</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bill Thompson </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">d'Ad lib </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Montreal<br>
<br>
William Thompson </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad</p>
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On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<a href=3D"=
http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" target=
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<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; color:#1F497D">Having similar problems =
with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good feedback would be gr=
eatly appreciated.</span></p>
</div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; color:#1F497D">Many thanks</span></p>
</div>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt; color:#1F497D">Tom</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ed Putnam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfrers-=
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ottom:.0001pt">
1)<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt"> </span>I a=
m looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a rigid tank, mo=
ving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good source for a good=
fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as
possible, with a capacity of about 20 – 30 gallons.</p>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin-left:.25in"> </p>
</div>
<p style=3D"margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:0in; margin-left:.5in; margin-b=
ottom:.0001pt">
2)<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt"> </span>I&#=
8217;m also in the process of trying to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbi=
ng set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odor problems. The =
current set up is not original. Does anyone have the original layout
of the tank & plumbing for it? I’ve seen the set up on Moose, cu=
stom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not exactly where=
I want the weight.
</p>
<p> </p>
<p>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to excee=
d 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning =
and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed th=
e hoses which I could readily get
to. </p>
<p>Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank wa=
s placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the=
hose attached to it.
</p>
<p> </p>
<p>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no =
odor. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thanks </p>
<p>Ed Putnam </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">89 Central St.</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rowley Ma. 01969</p>
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