[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs
Robert Connell
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Ed, I have heard about those tanks,seen them in pictures, not seen them in =
reality.=20
i don't think at 5 gals you will get more than one day aout of the tank bef=
ore it needs top be emptied.Heartbeat has a 15 gal tank that gets us about =
3 days when cruising before needing to be emptied. i will try to get you a =
manufacturer and model number.
--- On Thu, 4/5/12, edputnam@comcast.net <edputnam@comcast.net> wrote:
From: edputnam@comcast.net <edputnam@comcast.net>
Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 11:17 AM
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Thanks for the info Frank.=A0 I Have a=A0few of questions;
Did you place the tank all the way forward?=20
Did you use a rectangluar tank or something more form fitting?=20
About how far forward of the seacock is the aft end of the tank?
=A0
In speaking with Barry Carrol he suggested looking into using the Raritan C=
ompact II head=A0(no longer in production, they do have a new alternative)=
=A0 with the accompaning Compact Holding Tank (this has a capacity of about=
5 Gallons) or the Raske product which is a harder to get (cost is arround =
$700 for head & tank set up).=A0=A0These tanks wrap around the base of the =
head and have built in Y valves for straight discharge, to the tank or pump=
out.=A0 Barry said they=A0 used them very effectively in Farr 40's and Fre=
rs 41's.=A0=20
=A0
Has anyone had any experience with these compact holding tank setups on a F=
rers 33?=A0 My thinking is these head and tank arrangements will eliminate =
a lot of hose and therefore potential odor.
=A0
Thanks
Ed
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Tom,
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It's been too long.=3DC2=3DA0 I can't remember and in fact don't even remem=
ber =3D
where I bought it.
=3DC2=3DA0
I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=3DC2=3DA0 There are water ta=
nks,=3D
=A0they're thin walled and holding tanks which have the thicker walls.=3DC2=
=3DA0 =3D
The thicker walls prevent odors from permeating.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
Frank
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:
From: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM
Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?
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=3DC2=3DA0
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D
n hose
=3DC2=3DA0
Ed,
=3DC2=3DA0
First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Tr=
iden=3D
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not =
chea=3D
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC=
2=3DA0 I=3D
've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're =
goin=3D
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible t=
ank =3D
and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someon=
e suggested =3D
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will ev=
entu=3D
ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosi=
ve t=3D
han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect o=
n pl=3D
astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever=
ything f=3D
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank ther=
e is=3D
=A0a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offsh=
or=3D
e.
=3DC2=3DA0
My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =
=3D
that would fit up front.
=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=
=3DA0 But =3D
when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don'=
t sm=3D
ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0inv=
estments=3D
.
=3DC2=3DA0
Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Frank Albert 41621
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D
n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
Ed,
=3DC2=3DA0
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=
=3D
nks, and really good odor control info.
=3DC2=3DA0
Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0
d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0
Montreal
William Thompson=3D20
Sent from my iPad
On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=
=3D
ote:
Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=
=3D
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Tom
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
=3D
se
=3DC2=3DA0
1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replac=
e the original bladd=3D
er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=
=3D
one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =
=3D
as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93=
30 ga=3D
llons.
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2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also=
in the process of trying =3D
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=
=3D
tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =
=3D
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=
=3D99ve=3D
=A0seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everythin=
g =3D
is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.
=3DC2=3DA0
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
=3D
=A0to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning a=
nd=3D
=A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the=
h=3D
oses which I could readily get to.
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
=3D
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=
=3D
se attached to it.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=
=3D
r.
=3DC2=3DA0
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
=3DC2=3DA0
Thanks
Ed Putnam
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<DIV>I do <SPAN>recall</SPAN> it as a thick walled holding tank. Ther=
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<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>First your going to need really, really=
g=3D
ood hose. I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from De=
=3D
fender Marine. It's not cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)&=
=3D
nbsp;smell from this hose. I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=
=3D
o problems. Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=
=3D
nk. You buy a flexible tank and it will stink and you will =
=3D
be sorry. Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once. You bu=
=3D
y that and you're boat will eventually be filled with waste water. No=
=3D
thing but acid is more corrosive than human waste. It will eat right =
=3D
through SS but has no affect on plastic. I located my tank forward on=
=3D
=A0the port side. Everything from the head is pumped directly into th=
e =3D
tank. From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ove=
=3D
rboard discharge if you're offshore.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 =
ga=3D
llons but it was the biggest tank that would fit up front.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> I think the hose wound up costin=
g =3D
me somewhere near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 i=
=3D
nches from that stuff and don't smell anything bad I know it was one o=
=3D
f the better boat investments.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Good luck. <BR>Frank Albert 41621=
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DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thom=
ps=3D
on <I><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfor=
edec=3D
k@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:fore=
deck@v=3D
ideotron.ca">foredeck@videotron.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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m: W=3D
illiam Thompson <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=
to=3D
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"mailto:=3D
foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotron.ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [frers=
=3D
-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "<A h=
=3D
ref=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.=
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s33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@=
lists.=3D
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<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Been p<SPAN class=3D3Dyiv1763742104appl=
e-st=3D
yle-span>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for=
=3D
=A0tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Bill Thompson </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>d'Ad lib </DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson </DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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2012=3D
-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811=
.m=3D
ail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow targ=
et=3D
=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D
=A011pt">Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers =
36=3D
, any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D
=A011pt">Many thanks</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D
=A011pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D
=A011pt"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDI=
NG=3D
-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1p=
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t solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Fr=
om:<=3D
/SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.m=
ail.=3D
yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnof=
ollo=3D
w target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> <A href=3D3D"htt=
p://=3D
us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3D[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=
er=3D
s33.com]" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:[mailto:fr=
ers-li=3D
st-admin@lists.frers33.com]">[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]</A=
=3D
> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15=
=3D
=A0PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=
to=3D
=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers=
-list@=3D
lists.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers-list]suggestions for replac=
=3D
ing water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" cl=
as=3D
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">1)</SPAN=
><SP=3D
AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =
</=3D
SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I am looking to replace the original bl=
ad=3D
der water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does an=
=3D
yone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it=
=3D
=A0as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=
=3D93 30 g=3D
allons.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN s=
tyle=3D
=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" cl=
as=3D
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">2)</SPAN=
><SP=3D
AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =
</=3D
SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process o=
f trying=3D
=A0to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the=
p=3D
otential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does=
=3D
=A0anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE=
2=3D80=3D
=3D99ve seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem ever=
yt=3D
hing is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">From wha=
t I =3D
have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 feet. =
=3D
I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and inhibited g=
=3D
etting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the hoses which I=
=3D
=A0could readily get to.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Removing=
the=3D
=A0remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was placed just=
a=3D
bove the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the hose attached =
=3D
to it. </SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">My goal =
is t=3D
o try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odor.</SPAN></D=
=3D
IV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Any sugg=
esti=3D
ons would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Thanks</=
SPAN=3D
></DIV>
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Ed Putna=
m</S=3D
PAN></DIV>
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04ms=3D
onormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY=
><=3D
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if';=3D
=A0FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td>=
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'=
ll take =3D
some shots tomorrow and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0
Frank
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D
n hose
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM
Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?=3DC2=3DA=
0 Mu=3D
ch appreciated.
=3DC2=3DA0
Neal
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote=
=3D
:
Ed,
=3DC2=3DA0
First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Tr=
iden=3D
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not =
chea=3D
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC=
2=3DA0 I=3D
've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're =
goin=3D
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible t=
ank =3D
and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someon=
e suggested =3D
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will ev=
entu=3D
ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosi=
ve t=3D
han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect o=
n pl=3D
astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever=
ything f=3D
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank ther=
e is=3D
=A0a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offsh=
or=3D
e.
=3DC2=3DA0
My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =
=3D
that would fit up front.
=3DC2=3DA0
=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=
=3DA0 But =3D
when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don'=
t sm=3D
ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0inv=
estments=3D
.
=3DC2=3DA0
Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Frank Albert 41621
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D
n hose
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
Ed,
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=
=3D
nks, and really good odor control info.
Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0
d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0
Montreal
William Thompson=3D20
Sent from my iPad
On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=
=3D
ote:
Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=
=3D
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Tom
=3DC2=3DA0
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
=3D
se
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replac=
e the original bladd=3D
er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=
=3D
one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =
=3D
as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93=
30 ga=3D
llons.
=3DC2=3DA0
2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also=
in the process of trying =3D
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=
=3D
tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =
=3D
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=
=3D99ve=3D
=A0seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everythin=
g =3D
is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
=3D
=A0to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning a=
nd=3D
=A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the=
h=3D
oses which I could readily get to.=3D20
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
=3D
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=
=3D
se attached to it.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=
=3D
r.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20
Thanks=3D20
Ed Putnam=3D20
=3DC2=3DA0
--=3D20
Neal Melanson
89 Central St.
Rowley Ma. 01969
=3DC2=3DA0
978 948 7189
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gn=3D3D"=3D
top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=
&n=3D
bsp; Just kidding. I'll take some shots tomorrow and post them. =
=3D
=A0</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <I><neal.melanson=
=3D
@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:=
5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=
=3D
t;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and san=
=3D
itation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, April =
=3D
4, 2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3D3Dyiv1898688693>
<DIV>Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?&nbs=
=3D
p; Much appreciated.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Neal<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRA=
NC=3D
IS ALBERT <SPAN dir=3D3Dltr><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com=
/mc/=3D
compose?to=3D3Dfxalbert@prodigy.net" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank yma=
ilto=3D
=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net</A>></SPAN> wrot=
e:=3D
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px=
0=3D
px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gmail_quote>
<TABLE border=3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D0 cellPadding=3D3D0>
<TBODY>
<TR>
<TD style=3D3D"font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit" vAlign=3D3=
Dtop=3D
>
<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First your going to need really, really good hose. I recommend T=
=3D
rident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine. It's not=
=3D
=A0cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell from this hose.&=
nb=3D
sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems. Next you're=
=3D
=A0going to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank. You buy a flexibl=
e =3D
tank and it will stink and you will be sorry. Someone sugge=
=3D
sted a stainless steel tank once. You buy that and you're boat will e=
=3D
ventually be filled with waste water. Nothing but acid is more corros=
=3D
ive than human waste. It will eat right through SS but has no affect =
=3D
on plastic. I located my tank forward on the port side. Everyth=
=3D
ing from the head is pumped directly into the tank. From the tank the=
=3D
re is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=
=3D
fshore.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest =
=3D
tank that would fit up front.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350. =
=3D
=A0But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 inches from that stuff and d=
on=3D
't smell anything bad I know it was one of the better boat invest=
=3D
ments.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good luck. <BR>Frank Albert 41621</DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <I><<A href=3D3D"http:/=
/u=3D
s.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnof=
ollo=3D
w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@vid=
eotr=3D
on.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:=
5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: William Thompson <<A href=3D3D"http://us=
.m=3D
c811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofoll=
ow t=3D
arget=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@videot=
ron.=3D
ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]suggestions for replaci=
=3D
ng water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail=
.y=3D
ahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=
arge=3D
t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@l=
ists=3D
.frers33.com</A>" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compos=
e?=3D
to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank yma=
ilto=3D
=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A>=
&g=3D
t;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>Ed,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Been p<SPAN>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan =
=3D
site for tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Bill Thompson </DIV>
<DIV>d'Ad lib </DIV>
<DIV>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson=3D20
<DIV>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D=
"h=3D
ttp://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=
=3D3Dn=3D
ofollow target=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D3D"cite">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Having simila=
r =3D
problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good feedback wo=
=3D
uld be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Many thanks</=
SP=3D
AN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom</SPAN></D=
IV=3D
></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt"> </SPAN>=
</=3D
DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDI=
NG=3D
-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: rgb(181,19=
=3D
6,223) 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">
<DIV><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"=
FONT=3D
-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3=
Dfre=3D
rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers-l=
ist-=3D
admin@lists.frers33.com</A> [mailto:<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo=
.c=3D
om/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=
arge=3D
t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-=
list=3D
-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B>=
=3D
=A0Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc81=
1.ma=3D
il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofoll=
ow t=3D
arget=3D3D_blank>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers=
-l=3D
ist]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></=
=3D
DIV></DIV>
<DIV> =3D20
<DIV>
<DIV>
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PA=3D
N>1)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =
</=3D
SPAN><SPAN>I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a =
=3D
rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good sou=
=3D
rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as =
=3D
possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 gallons.</SPAN><SP=
AN></S=3D
PAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><SPAN> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><S=
PA=3D
N>2)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =
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SPAN><SPAN>I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve t=
he hol=3D
ding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odo=
=3D
r problems. The current set up is not original. Does anyone have the origin=
=3D
al layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the se=
t up o=3D
n Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not ex=
=3D
actly where I want the weight.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
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<DIV><SPAN>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose =
=3D
to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not func=
=3D
tioning and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and re=
=3D
moved the hoses which I could readily get to.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=
=3D
=A0tank was placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to =
re=3D
move the hose attached to it. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above=
=3D
=A0all no odor.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
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<DIV><SPAN>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=
=3D
>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>Thanks</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
<DIV><SPAN>Ed Putnam</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Ed, I have heard about those tanks,seen =
them in pictures, not seen them in reality. </DIV>
<DIV>i don't think at 5 gals you will get more than one day aout of the tan=
k before it needs top be emptied.Heartbeat has a 15 gal tank that gets us a=
bout 3 days when cruising before needing to be emptied. i will try to get y=
ou a manufacturer and model number.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Thu, 4/5/12, edputnam@=
comcast.net <I><edputnam@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: edputnam@comcast.net <edputnam@comcast.n=
et><BR>Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #541 - 2 msgs<B=
R>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Thursday, April 5, 2012, 11:17 =
AM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>Thanks for the info Frank. I Have a few of questions;</DIV>
<DIV>Did you place the tank all the way forward? </DIV>
<DIV>Did you use a rectangluar tank or something more form fitting? </DIV>
<DIV>About how far forward of the seacock is the aft end of the tank?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In speaking with Barry Carrol he suggested looking into using the Rari=
tan Compact II head (no longer in production, they do have a new alter=
native) with the accompaning Compact Holding Tank (this has a capacit=
y of about 5 Gallons) or the Raske product which is a harder to get (cost i=
s arround $700 for head & tank set up). These tanks wrap aro=
und the base of the head and have built in Y valves for straight discharge,=
to the tank or pump out. Barry said they used them very effect=
ively in Farr 40's and Frers 41's. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Has anyone had any experience with these compact holding tank setups o=
n a Frers 33? My thinking is these head and tank arrangements will el=
iminate a lot of hose and therefore potential odor.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks</DIV>
<DIV>Ed<BR></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV><B>From: </B>frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>To: </B>frers-=
list@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:11:02 PM<=
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1. RE: suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose (FRANCIS A=
LBERT)<BR> 2. Re: suggestions for replacing water tank and sani=
tation hose (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: W=
ed, 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@pr=
odigy.net><BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water t=
ank and sanitation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: fr=
ers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:331=
25<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8<BR>Content-Transfer-Encodin=
g: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Tom,<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>It's been too long.=3DC2=
=3DA0 I can't remember and in fact don't even remember =3D<BR>where I bough=
t it.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=3DC2=
=3DA0 There are water tanks,=3D<BR> they're thin walled and holding ta=
nks which have the thicker walls.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D<BR>The thicker walls preven=
t odors from
permeating.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Frank<BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/1=
2, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From:=
Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com><BR>Subject: RE: [frers-li=
st]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n hose<BR>To: f=
rers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gec=
as.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><B=
R><BR><BR>Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=
=3DC2=3DA0<BR>From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-a=
dmin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT<BR>Sent: Wednesd=
ay, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: =
Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n =
hose<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed,<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>Firs=
t your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden=
=3D<BR>t Premium Sanitation Hose
(Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D<BR>p at $7.99 a f=
oot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D<BR=
>'ve had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're=
goin=3D<BR>g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy =
a flexible tank =3D<BR>and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be =
sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =3D<BR>a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=
=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will eventu=3D<BR>ally be filled with wa=
ste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosive t=3D<BR>han human w=
aste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D<BR>=
astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever=
ything f=3D<BR>rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 Fro=
m the tank there is=3D<BR> a Y valve which allows a pump out or overbo=
ard discharge if you're offshor=3D<BR>e.<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>My tank i=
s smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D<BR>th=
at
would fit up front.<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose w=
ound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D<BR>when I sleep i=
n the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D<BR>ell=
anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0invest=
ments=3D<BR>.<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>Frank A=
lbert 41621<BR><BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@vi=
deotron.ca> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: William Thompson <foredeck@videot=
ron.ca><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank=
and sanitatio=3D<BR>n hose<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers=
-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM<BR>=
<BR><BR><BR>Ed,<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>Been poking into some of the same =
issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D<BR>nks, and really good odor c=
ontrol info.<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>d'Ad l=
ib=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>Montreal<BR><BR>William
Thompson=3D20<BR><BR>Sent from my iPad<BR><BR><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 =
PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=3D<BR>ote:<BR><BR=
><BR><BR>Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers =
36, any g=3D<BR>ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.<BR>Many thanks<B=
R>Tom<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR>From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [ma=
ilto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam<BR>S=
ent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>=
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
=3D<BR>se<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR>1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3D=
A0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D<BR>er water tank=
, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D<BR>one kn=
ow of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =3D<BR=
>as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D9=
3 30
ga=3D<BR>llons.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA=
0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying =3D<BR>to fix/i=
mprove the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D<BR>t=
ential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =
=3D<BR>anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=
=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D<BR> seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and cl=
ean. Only problem everything =3D<BR>is forward, not exactly where I want th=
e weight.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>From what I have read the air vent from the tank=
is not suppose to exceed 5=3D<BR> to 6 feet. I have removed the macer=
ator pump as it was not functioning and=3D<BR> inhibited getting to th=
e shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the h=3D<BR>oses which I coul=
d readily get to.<BR>Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real ch=
ore as the tank was p=3D<BR>laced just above the seacock, so it is extremel=
y difficult to remove the ho=3D<BR>se attached to
it.=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount o=
f hose and above all no odo=3D<BR>r.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Any suggestions would=
be greatly appreciated.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Thanks<BR>Ed Putnam<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=
<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125<BR>Content-Ty=
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<DIV>Tom,</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV=
>It's been too long.&nbsp; I can't remember and in fact don't even r=
eme=3D<BR>mber where I bought it.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</=
DIV><BR><DIV>I do <SPAN>recall</SPAN> it as a thick wa=
lled holding tank.&nbsp; Ther=3D<BR>e are water tanks, they're thin wal=
led and holding tanks which have the thi=3D<BR>cker walls.&nbsp; The th=
icker walls prevent odors from
permeating.&nbsp; </=3D<BR>DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV=
><BR><DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, &l=
t;SPAN>Bruton</SPAN>, Tom (GECAS) <=3D<BR>I>&lt;Tom.Brut=
on@gecas.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV><BR>&l=
t;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT=
: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) &=
;lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.co=3D<BR>m&gt;<BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]s=
uggestions for replacing water tank and =3D<BR>sanitation hose<BR>To:=
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GE=3D<BR>CAS)" &am=
p;lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.com&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, =
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admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list=3D<BR>-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B>On Behalf Of &=
lt;/B>FRANCIS ALBERT<BR><B>Sent:</B=3D<BR>> Wednesday,=
April 04, 2012 4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.=3D<BR>com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [frers-list]sugge=
stions for replacing water tank=3D<BR> and sanitation hose</SPAN>=
;</DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</D=
IV><BR><TABLE class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormalTable border=3D3D0 cell=
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R><TD style=3D3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: =
0in; PA=3D<BR>DDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=3D3Dtop><BR><DIV><BR><P cl=
ass=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV>=
;<BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></D=
IV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>First yo=
ur going to need really,
really g=3D<BR>ood hose.&nbsp; I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation =
Hose (Black) from De=3D<BR>fender Marine.&nbsp; It's not cheap at $7.99=
a foot but there is no (NONE)&=3D<BR>nbsp;smell from this hose.&nb=
sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=3D<BR>o problems.&nbsp; =
Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=3D<BR>nk.&nbs=
p; You buy a flexible tank and&nbsp;it&nbsp;will stink and you will=
=3D<BR>be sorry.&nbsp; Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once.&=
amp;nbsp; You bu=3D<BR>y that and you're boat will eventually be filled wit=
h waste water.&nbsp; No=3D<BR>thing but acid is more corrosive than hum=
an waste.&nbsp; It will eat right =3D<BR>through SS but has no affect o=
n plastic.&nbsp; I located my tank forward on=3D<BR> the port side=
.&nbsp; Everything from the head is pumped directly into the =3D<BR>tan=
k.&nbsp; From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ov=
e=3D<BR>rboard
discharge if you're offshore.</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR>&l=
t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><=
BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>My tank is smal=
lish may be 20 maybe 15 ga=3D<BR>llons but it was the biggest tank that wou=
ld fit up front.</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3D=
yiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV>=
<BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp; I think the hose w=
ound up costing =3D<BR>me somewhere near $350.&nbsp; But when I sleep i=
n the V-birth just&nbsp;3 i=3D<BR>nches from that stuff and don't smell=
anything bad&nbsp;I know it was one o=3D<BR>f the better boat&nbsp=
;investments.</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv=
1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR=
><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Good luck.&nbsp; <BR>F=
rank Albert
41621</=3D<BR>DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv=
1763742104MsoNormal><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thomp=
s=3D<BR>on <I>&lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/=
mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedec=3D<BR>k@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3=
D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@v=3D<BR>ideotron.ca">foredeck@video=
tron.ca</A>&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>=
;<BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: #10=
10ff 1.5pt=3D<BR> solid; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING=
-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-RI=3D<BR>GHT: 0in; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.7=
5pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none;=3D<BR> BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDIN=
G-TOP: 0in"><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv17637=
42104MsoNormal><BR>From: W=3D<BR>illiam Thompson &lt;<A hre=
f=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D<BR>=3D3Dforedeck@vid=
eotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow
target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:=3D<BR>foredeck@videotron.ca">for=
edeck@videotron.ca</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers=3D<BR>-li=
st]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "&=
lt;A h=3D<BR>ref=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrer=
s-list@lists.frer=3D<BR>s33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=
=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.=3D<BR>frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com</A>" &lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc8=3D<BR>11.mail.yahoo=
.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofol=3D<BR>lo=
w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">fr=
ers-l=3D<BR>ist@lists.frers33.com</A>&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesda=
y, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM</=3D<BR>DIV><BR><DIV id=3D3Dyiv17637421=
04><BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNor=
mal>Ed,</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P
class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR>=
<DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Been p<SPAN cla=
ss=3D3Dyiv1763742104apple-st=3D<BR>yle-span>oking into some of the same =
issues. Check out the Raritan site for=3D<BR> tanks, and really good o=
dor control info.</SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR>&l=
t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><=
BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Bill Thompson&a=
mp;nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv17637=
42104MsoNormal>d'Ad lib&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV>=
<BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Montreal<BR><BR>W=
illiam Thompson </DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv176374210=
4MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><=
DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"
class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>On 2012=3D<BR>-04-04, at 12:=
09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" &lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.m=3D<B=
R>ail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow ta=
rget=3D<BR>=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>&gt; wrote:<=
/DIV></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-B=
OTTOM: 5pt"><BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742=
104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D<BR> =
11pt">Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers =
36=3D<BR>, any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><=
/DIV></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN =
style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D<BR> 11pt">Many thanks</=
SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal&=
gt;<SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d;
FONT-SIZE:=3D<BR> 11pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOT=
E><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLO=
R: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D<BR> 11pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV=
></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium=
none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING=3D<BR>-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: =
0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1p=3D<BR>t solid; BORDER-RIGHT=
: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonor=
mal><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:<=3D<BR>/SP=
AN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"ht=
tp://us.mc811.mail.=3D<BR>yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@list=
s.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollo=3D<BR>w target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-admi=
n@lists.frers33.com</A> <A href=3D3D"http://=3D<BR>us.mc811.mail.y=
ahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3D[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frer=3D<BR>s33.co=
m]" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank
ymailto=3D3D"mailto:[mailto:frers-li=3D<BR>st-admin@lists.frers33.com]">=
;[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]</A=3D<BR>> <B>On B=
ehalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, Marc=
h 05, 2012 2:15=3D<BR> PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=
=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D<BR>=3D3Dfrers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers-list@=3D<BR>li=
sts.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers-list]=
suggestions for replac=3D<BR>ing water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN>=
;</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv176=
3742104msonormal>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><DIV>=
;<BR><DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in=
; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D<BR>s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><=
SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">1)</SPAN><SP=3D<BR>AN style=3D3D"=
COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE:
7pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </=3D<BR>SPA=
N><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I am looking to replace the origi=
nal blad=3D<BR>der water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboar=
d side. Does an=3D<BR>yone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I=
would like to have it=3D<BR> as far aft and low as possible, with a c=
apacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 g=3D<BR>allons.</SPAN></DIV=
></DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=3D3Dyiv1763=
742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D<BR>=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;&l=
t;/SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt;=
MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D<BR>s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msoli=
stparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">2)</SPAN><SP=
=3D<BR>AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
amp;nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </=3D<BR>SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR=
: black">I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the
process of trying=3D<BR> to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set=
up. Trying to eliminate the p=3D<BR>otential for future odor problems. The=
current set up is not original. Does=3D<BR> anyone have the original =
layout of the tank &amp; plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D<BR>=3D99ve see=
n the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everyt=3D<BR>hi=
ng is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.</SPAN></DIV>=
;<BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: b=
lack">&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1=
763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">From what I =3D<=
BR>have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 fee=
t. =3D<BR>I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and i=
nhibited g=3D<BR>etting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed =
the hoses which I=3D<BR> could readily get to.</SPAN></DIV>=
;<BR><P
class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">R=
emoving the=3D<BR> remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=
tank was placed just a=3D<BR>bove the seacock, so it is extremely difficul=
t to remove the hose attached =3D<BR>to it. </SPAN></DIV><BR>&l=
t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"&g=
t;&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv17637421=
04msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">My goal is t=3D<BR>o tr=
y to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odor.</SPAN>&=
lt;/D=3D<BR>IV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN st=
yle=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><=
;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">=
;Any suggesti=3D<BR>ons would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV&=
gt;<BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR:
black">&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyi=
v1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Thanks</SPA=
N=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><S=
PAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Ed Putnam</S=3D<BR>PAN></DIV><B=
R><P style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt" class=3D3Dyiv176=
3742104ms=3D<BR>onormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;&=
lt;/SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY><=3D<BR>/TAB=
LE><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D3D"FON=
T-FAMILY: 'sans-serif';=3D<BR> FONT-SIZE: 10pt">&nbsp;</SPAN=
></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><=
/td></=3D<BR>tr></table><BR>---1654260983-887932635-13335844=
71=3D:33125--<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 =
17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net><B=
R>Subject: Re:
[frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To=
: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR=
><BR>--652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; =
charset=3Dutf-8<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>It ac=
tually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'll ta=
ke =3D<BR>some shots tomorrow and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<B=
R>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Frank<BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanso=
n <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: Neal Melanson <=
;neal.melanson@gmail.com><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for re=
placing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR>Hi Frank, =
can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?=3DC2=3DA0 Mu=3D<BR=
>ch appreciated.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Neal<BR><BR><BR>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:=
50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT
<fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote=3D<BR>:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed,<=
BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3D=
A0 I recommend Triden=3D<BR>t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender=
Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not chea=3D<BR>p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (N=
ONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D<BR>'ve had it now on the=
boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D<BR>g to want =
a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible tank =3D<BR=
>and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someo=
ne suggested =3D<BR>a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and=
you're boat will eventu=3D<BR>ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 N=
othing but acid is more corrosive t=3D<BR>han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It wil=
l eat right through SS but has no affect on pl=3D<BR>astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I loc=
ated my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D<BR>rom the=
head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there
is=3D<BR> a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if=
you're offshor=3D<BR>e.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>My tank is smallish may be 20 may=
be 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =3D<BR>that would fit up front.<B=
R>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere n=
ear $350.=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D<BR>when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 =
inches from that stuff and don't sm=3D<BR>ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know =
it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D<BR>.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR=
>Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>Frank Albert 41621<BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/12,=
William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: Wil=
liam Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]sug=
gestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n hose<BR>To: "frers-=
list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>Date: Wedne=
sday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed,<BR><BR><BR>Been poking=
into some of the same issues. Check out the
Raritan site for ta=3D<BR>nks, and really good odor control info.<BR><BR><=
BR>Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0<BR>d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Montreal<BR><BR>William=
Thompson=3D20<BR>Sent from my iPad<BR><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bru=
ton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=3D<BR>ote:<BR><BR><BR><BR=
><BR><BR><BR>Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Fr=
ers 36, any g=3D<BR>ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.<BR>Many than=
ks<BR>Tom<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR>From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam<=
BR>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
<BR>Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n ho=3D<BR>se<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR><BR><BR>1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA=
0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D<BR>er w=
ater tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D<=
BR>one know of a good source for a good fitting
tank? I would like to have it =3D<BR>as far aft and low as possible, with =
a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 ga=3D<BR>llons.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=
2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also=
in the process of trying =3D<BR>to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing s=
et up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D<BR>tential for future odor problems. T=
he current set up is not original. Does =3D<BR>anyone have the original lay=
out of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D<BR> seen =
the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =3D<BR=
>is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<B=
R>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed=
5=3D<BR> to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not f=
unctioning and=3D<BR> inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the =
seacock, and removed the h=3D<BR>oses which I could readily get to.=3D20<BR=
>Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the
tank was p=3D<BR>laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficul=
t to remove the ho=3D<BR>se attached to it.=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>My g=
oal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=3D<=
BR>r.=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciat=
ed.=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>Thanks=3D20<BR>Ed Putnam=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<=
BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--=3D20<BR><BR>N=
eal Melanson<BR>89 Central St.<BR>Rowley Ma. 01969<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>978 948=
7189<BR><BR>--652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242<BR>Content-Type: text=
/html; charset=3Dutf-8<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><B=
R><table cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=3D3D"0" ><=
tr><td valign=3D3D"=3D<BR>top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV&=
gt;It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.&n=3D<BR>bsp; Just kidding.&am=
p;nbsp; I'll take some shots tomorrow and post
them.&nbsp;=3D<BR> </DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV&=
gt;<BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV&g=
t;<BR><DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, Neal=
Melanson <I>&lt;neal.melanson=3D<BR>@gmail.com&gt;</I>=
</B> wrote:<BR></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER=
-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px=
"><BR>From: Neal Melanson &lt;neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=3D=
<BR>t;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water ta=
nk and san=3D<BR>itation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=
BR>Date: Wednesday, April =3D<BR>4, 2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR><BR=
><DIV id=3D3Dyiv1898688693><BR><DIV>Hi Frank, can you shoot som=
e pictures for us of that installation?&nbs=3D<BR>p; Much
appreciated.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV&g=
t;Neal<BR><BR></DIV><BR><DIV class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gm=
ail_quote>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANC=3D<BR>IS ALBERT <SPAN=
dir=3D3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/=
=3D<BR>compose?to=3D3Dfxalbert@prodigy.net" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_bl=
ank ymailto=3D<BR>=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.ne=
t</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:=3D<BR><BR><BR><BLOCKQUOTE =
style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0=3D<BR>px =
0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gmail_quote><BR><=
;TABLE border=3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D0 cellPadding=3D3D0><BR><TBODY>=
;<BR><TR><BR><TD style=3D3D"font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretc=
h: inherit" vAlign=3D3Dtop=3D<BR>><BR><DIV>Ed,</DIV><BR><=
DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>First your going to need really=
, really good hose.&nbsp; I
recommend T=3D<BR>rident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Mar=
ine.&nbsp; It's not=3D<BR> cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (=
NONE)&nbsp;smell from this hose.&nb=3D<BR>sp; I've had it now on th=
e boat for 5 years, no problems.&nbsp; Next you're=3D<BR> going to=
want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.&nbsp; You buy a flexible =3D<B=
R>tank and&nbsp;it&nbsp;will stink and you will be sorry.&nbsp;=
Someone sugge=3D<BR>sted a stainless steel tank once.&nbsp; You buy th=
at and you're boat will e=3D<BR>ventually be filled with waste water.&n=
bsp; Nothing but acid is more corros=3D<BR>ive than human waste.&nbsp; =
It will eat right through SS but has no affect =3D<BR>on plastic.&nbsp;=
I located my tank forward on the port side.&nbsp; Everyth=3D<BR>ing fr=
om the head is pumped directly into the tank.&nbsp; From the tank the=
=3D<BR>re is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if yo=
u're
of=3D<BR>fshore.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><D=
IV>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest=
=3D<BR>tank that would fit up front.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;&=
lt;/DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp; I think the hose wound up costing me s=
omewhere near $350.&nbsp;=3D<BR> But when I sleep in the V-birth j=
ust&nbsp;3 inches from that stuff and don=3D<BR>'t smell anything bad&a=
mp;nbsp;I know it was one of the better boat&nbsp;invest=3D<BR>ments.&l=
t;/DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>Good luck.&am=
p;nbsp; <BR>Frank Albert 41621</DIV><BR><DIV><BR>--=
- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <I>&lt;<A href=3D3=
D"http://u=3D<BR>s.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotro=
n.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollo=3D<BR>w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredec=
k@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotr=3D<BR>on.ca</A>&gt;</I>=
</B>
wrote:<BR></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb=
(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><B=
R>From: William Thompson &lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.m=3D<BR>c811.=
mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=
=3D<BR>arget=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">fored=
eck@videotron.=3D<BR>ca</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN&g=
t;frers</SPAN>-list]suggestions for replaci=3D<BR>ng water tank and s=
anitation hose<BR>To: "<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.y=3D<BR>a=
hoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow ta=
rge=3D<BR>t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">=
;frers-list@lists=3D<BR>.frers33.com</A>" &lt;<A href=3D3D"htt=
p://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=3D<BR>to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers=
33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank
ymailto=3D<BR>=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A>&g=3D<BR>t;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, =
2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR><BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR><DIV=
>Ed,</DIV><BR><DIV><BR></DIV><BR><DIV>Been=
p<SPAN>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan =3D=
<BR>site for tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV=
><BR><DIV><BR></DIV><BR><DIV>Bill Thompson&n=
bsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>d'Ad lib&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>=
;Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson=3D20<BR><DIV>Sent from =
my iPad</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 1=
2:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" &lt;<A href=3D3D"h=3D<BR>ttp://us.mc8=
11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dn=3D<BR>o=
follow target=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>&gt;
wrote:<BR><BR></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><B=
LOCKQUOTE type=3D3D"cite"><BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR><DIV>&=
lt;SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Having simila=
r =3D<BR>problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good fe=
edback wo=3D<BR>uld be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DI=
V><BR><DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 1=
1pt">Many thanks</SP=3D<BR>AN></DIV></DIV><BR><DIV&=
gt;<SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Tom</S=
PAN></DIV=3D<BR>></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV><=
;SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&nbsp;</=
SPAN></=3D<BR>DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><DIV style=3D3=
D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING=3D<BR>-BOTT=
OM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: rgb(181,19=3D<B=
R>6,223) 1pt solid;
BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><BR><DIV><B>&l=
t;SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN =
style=3D3D"FONT=3D<BR>-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail=
.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfre=3D<BR>rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=
=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-=3D<BR>admin@lists.frers33.co=
m</A> [mailto:<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.c=3D<BR>om/m=
c/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow targe=
=3D<BR>t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com"=
>frers-list=3D<BR>-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>] <B>On Behalf=
Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B>=3D<BR> Monda=
y, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"h=
ttp://us.mc811.ma=3D<BR>il.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.fre=
rs33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow
t=3D<BR>arget=3D3D_blank>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR&g=
t;<B>Subject:</B> [frers-l=3D<BR>ist]suggestions for replacing =
water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></=3D<BR>DIV>&=
lt;/DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;=3D20<BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR>=
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"=
><SPA=3D<BR>N>1)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"&g=
t;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </=3D<BR>SPAN>&l=
t;SPAN>I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a =
=3D<BR>rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a g=
ood sou=3D<BR>rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far a=
ft and low as =3D<BR>possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 =
30 gallons.</SPAN><SPAN></S=3D<BR>PAN></DIV></DI=
V><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT:
0.25in"><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR>=
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"=
><SPA=3D<BR>N>2)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"&g=
t;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </=3D<BR>SPAN>&l=
t;SPAN>I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve th=
e hol=3D<BR>ding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential fo=
r future odo=3D<BR>r problems. The current set up is not original. Does any=
one have the origin=3D<BR>al layout of the tank &amp; plumbing for it? =
I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the set up o=3D<BR>n Moose, custom tanks and clean.=
Only problem everything is forward, not ex=3D<BR>actly where I want the we=
ight.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>=
&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>From what I have rea=
d the air vent from the tank is not suppose =3D<BR>to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I=
have removed the macerator
pump as it was not func=3D<BR>tioning and inhibited getting to the shut of=
f valve for the seacock, and re=3D<BR>moved the hoses which I could readily=
get to.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN&=
gt;Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=3D<BR>&=
nbsp;tank was placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult t=
o re=3D<BR>move the hose attached to it. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=
><BR><DIV><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV>&=
lt;SPAN>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above=
=3D<BR> all no odor.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><=
;DIV><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>=
Any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=3D<BR>>=3D20<BR><DIV&=
gt;<SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>Thank=
s</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>Ed P=
utnam</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><P style=3D3D"LINE-H=
EIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt"><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN><=
;/DI=3D<BR>V><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR>&=
lt;DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV>=
;<BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></=
DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV>=
;</DIV><BR><DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></TD></=
TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>=
<B=3D<BR>R clear=3D3Dall><BR>-- <BR><BR><DIV>Neal M=
elanson</DIV><BR><DIV>89 Central St.</DIV><BR><DIV>=
Rowley Ma.
01969</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>978 9=
48 7189</DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td><=
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