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Thanks for the info Frank.=C2=A0 I Have a=C2=A0few of questions;=20
Did you place the tank all the way forward?=20
Did you use a rectangluar tank or something more form fitting?=20
About how far forward of the seacock is the aft end of the tank?=20
In speaking with Barry Carrol he suggested looking into using the Raritan C=
ompact II head =C2=A0(no longer in production, they do have a new alternati=
ve )=C2=A0 with the accompaning Compact Holding Tank (this has a capacity o=
f about 5 Gallons) or the Raske product which is a harder to get (cost is a=
rround $700 for head & tank set up) .=C2=A0 =C2=A0These tanks wrap around t=
he base of the head and have built in Y valves for straight discharge, to t=
he tank or pump out.=C2=A0 Barry said they=C2=A0 used them very effectively=
in Farr 40's and Frers 41's.=C2=A0=20
Has anyone had any experience with these compact holding tank setups on a F=
rers 33?=C2=A0 My thinking is t hese head and tank arrangements will elimin=
ate a lot of hose and therefore potential odor.=20
Thanks=20
Ed=20
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 1. RE: suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hos=
e (FRANCIS ALBERT)=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 2. Re: suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hos=
e (FRANCIS ALBERT)=20
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Message: 1=20
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)=20
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
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Tom,=20
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It's been too long.=3DC2=3DA0 I can't remember and in fact don't even remem=
ber =3D=20
where I bought it.=20
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I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=3DC2=3DA0 There are water ta=
nks,=3D=20
=C2=A0they're thin walled and holding tanks which have the thicker walls.=
=3DC2=3DA0 =3D=20
The thicker walls prevent odors from permeating.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Frank=20
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:=20
From: Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D=20
n hose=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com>=20
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM=20
Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?=20
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=3DC2=3DA0=20
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D=20
rs33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D=20
n hose=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Ed,=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Tr=
iden=3D=20
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not =
chea=3D=20
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC=
2=3DA0 I=3D=20
've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're =
goin=3D=20
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible t=
ank =3D=20
and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someon=
e suggested =3D=20
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will ev=
entu=3D=20
ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosi=
ve t=3D=20
han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect o=
n pl=3D=20
astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever=
ything f=3D=20
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank ther=
e is=3D=20
=C2=A0a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=
fshor=3D=20
e.=20
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My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =
=3D=20
that would fit up front.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=
=3DA0 But =3D=20
when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don'=
t sm=3D=20
ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0inv=
estments=3D=20
.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
Frank Albert 41621=20
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:=20
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D=20
n hose=20
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM=20
Ed,=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=
=3D=20
nks, and really good odor control info.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0=20
d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0=20
Montreal=20
William Thompson=3D20=20
Sent from my iPad=20
On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=
=3D=20
ote:=20
Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=
=3D=20
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.=20
Many thanks=20
Tom=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D=20
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam=20
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
=3D=20
se=20
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1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replac=
e the original bladd=3D=20
er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=
=3D=20
one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =
=3D=20
as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93=
30 ga=3D=20
llons.=20
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2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also=
in the process of trying =3D=20
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=
=3D=20
tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =
=3D=20
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=
=3D99ve=3D=20
=C2=A0seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everyt=
hing =3D=20
is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
=3D=20
=C2=A0to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functionin=
g and=3D=20
=C2=A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed =
the h=3D=20
oses which I could readily get to.=20
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
=3D=20
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=
=3D=20
se attached to it.=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=
=3D=20
r.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Thanks=20
Ed Putnam=20
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f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list=
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> Wednesday, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> frers-list@lists.frers33.=
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com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank=
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=C2=A0and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV>=20
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<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>First your going to need really, really=
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ood hose. I recommend Trident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from De=
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fender Marine. It's not cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)&=
=3D=20
nbsp;smell from this hose. I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=
=3D=20
o problems. Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=
=3D=20
nk. You buy a flexible tank and it will stink and you will =
=3D=20
be sorry. Someone suggested a stainless steel tank once. You bu=
=3D=20
y that and you're boat will eventually be filled with waste water. No=
=3D=20
thing but acid is more corrosive than human waste. It will eat right =
=3D=20
through SS but has no affect on plastic. I located my tank forward on=
=3D=20
=C2=A0the port side. Everything from the head is pumped directly into=
the =3D=20
tank. From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump out or ove=
=3D=20
rboard discharge if you're offshore.</DIV></DIV>=20
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<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 =
ga=3D=20
llons but it was the biggest tank that would fit up front.</DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
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<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> I think the hose wound up costin=
g =3D=20
me somewhere near $350. But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 i=
=3D=20
nches from that stuff and don't smell anything bad I know it was one o=
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f the better boat investments.</DIV></DIV>=20
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<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Good luck. <BR>Frank Albert 41621=
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<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thom=
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on <I><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfor=
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k@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:fore=
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ideotron.ca">foredeck@videotron.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:</DIV></DIV>=20
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DIV>=20
<DIV id=3D3Dyiv1763742104>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Been p<SPAN class=3D3Dyiv1763742104appl=
e-st=3D=20
yle-span>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for=
=3D=20
=C2=A0tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal> </DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Bill Thompson </DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>d'Ad lib </DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson </DIV>=
=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>On =
2012=3D=20
-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811=
.m=3D=20
ail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow targ=
et=3D=20
=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:</DIV></DIV>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D=20
=C2=A011pt">Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Fre=
rs 36=3D=20
, any good feedback would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D=20
=C2=A011pt">Many thanks</SPAN></DIV></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D=20
=C2=A011pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-S=
IZE:=3D=20
=C2=A011pt"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDI=
NG=3D=20
-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1p=
=3D=20
t solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt">=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Fr=
om:<=3D=20
/SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.m=
ail.=3D=20
yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnof=
ollo=3D=20
w target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> <A href=3D3D"htt=
p://=3D=20
us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3D[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fr=
er=3D=20
s33.com]" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:[mailto:fr=
ers-li=3D=20
st-admin@lists.frers33.com]">[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]</A=
=3D=20
> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15=
=3D=20
=C2=A0PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compo=
se?to=3D=20
=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank>frers=
-list@=3D=20
lists.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [frers-list]suggestions for replac=
=3D=20
ing water tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" cl=
as=3D=20
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">1)</SPAN=
><SP=3D=20
AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =
</=3D=20
SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I am looking to replace the original bl=
ad=3D=20
der water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does an=
=3D=20
yone know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it=
=3D=20
=C2=A0as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D8=
0=3D93 30 g=3D=20
allons.</SPAN></DIV></DIV>=20
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN s=
tyle=3D=20
=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV>=20
<P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" cl=
as=3D=20
s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">2)</SPAN=
><SP=3D=20
AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =
</=3D=20
SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process o=
f trying=3D=20
=C2=A0to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate =
the p=3D=20
otential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does=
=3D=20
=C2=A0anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=
=3DE2=3D80=3D=20
=3D99ve seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem ever=
yt=3D=20
hing is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.</SPAN></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D=20
></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">From wha=
t I =3D=20
have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5 to 6 feet. =
=3D=20
I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functioning and inhibited g=
=3D=20
etting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the hoses which I=
=3D=20
=C2=A0could readily get to.</SPAN></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Removing=
the=3D=20
=C2=A0remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was placed j=
ust a=3D=20
bove the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the hose attached =
=3D=20
to it. </SPAN></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D=20
></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">My goal =
is t=3D=20
o try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odor.</SPAN></D=
=3D=20
IV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D=20
></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Any sugg=
esti=3D=20
ons would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </=
SPAN=3D=20
></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Thanks</=
SPAN=3D=20
></DIV>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Ed Putna=
m</S=3D=20
PAN></DIV>=20
<P style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt" class=3D3Dyiv17637421=
04ms=3D=20
onormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black"> </SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY=
><=3D=20
/TABLE>=20
<P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-ser=
if';=3D=20
=C2=A0FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></=
td></=3D=20
tr></table>=20
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Message: 2=20
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)=20
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n hose=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
--652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242=20
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8=20
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=20
It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3DC2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'=
ll take =3D=20
some shots tomorrow and post them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Frank=20
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wrote:=20
From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D=20
n hose=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 6:09 PM=20
Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?=3DC2=3DA=
0 Mu=3D=20
ch appreciated.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Neal=20
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote=
=3D=20
:=20
Ed,=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Tr=
iden=3D=20
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It's not =
chea=3D=20
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell from this hose.=3DC=
2=3DA0 I=3D=20
've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're =
goin=3D=20
g to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible t=
ank =3D=20
and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someon=
e suggested =3D=20
a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will ev=
entu=3D=20
ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is more corrosi=
ve t=3D=20
han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through SS but has no affect o=
n pl=3D=20
astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Ever=
ything f=3D=20
rom the head is pumped directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank ther=
e is=3D=20
=C2=A0a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=
fshor=3D=20
e.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest tank =
=3D=20
that would fit up front.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=
=3DA0 But =3D=20
when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that stuff and don'=
t sm=3D=20
ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0inv=
estments=3D=20
.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
Frank Albert 41621=20
--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:=20
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
=3D=20
n hose=20
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM=20
Ed,=20
Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=
=3D=20
nks, and really good odor control info.=20
Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0=20
d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0=20
Montreal=20
William Thompson=3D20=20
Sent from my iPad=20
On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=
=3D=20
ote:=20
Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=
=3D=20
ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.=20
Many thanks=20
Tom=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
=3D=20
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam=20
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation ho=
=3D=20
se=20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replac=
e the original bladd=3D=20
er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=
=3D=20
one know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =
=3D=20
as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93=
30 ga=3D=20
llons.=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also=
in the process of trying =3D=20
to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the po=
=3D=20
tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not original. Does =
=3D=20
anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=
=3D99ve=3D=20
=C2=A0seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everyt=
hing =3D=20
is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
=3D=20
=C2=A0to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not functionin=
g and=3D=20
=C2=A0inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed =
the h=3D=20
oses which I could readily get to.=3D20=20
Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
=3D=20
laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove the ho=
=3D=20
se attached to it.=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=
=3D=20
r.=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=3D20=20
Thanks=3D20=20
Ed Putnam=3D20=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
--=3D20=20
Neal Melanson=20
89 Central St.=20
Rowley Ma. 01969=20
=3DC2=3DA0=20
978 948 7189=20
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=20
<table cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=3D3D"0" ><tr><td vali=
gn=3D3D"=3D=20
top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=
&n=3D=20
bsp; Just kidding. I'll take some shots tomorrow and post them. =
=3D=20
=C2=A0</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <I><neal.melanson=
=3D=20
@gmail.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:=
5=3D=20
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=
=3D=20
t;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and san=
=3D=20
itation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, April =
=3D=20
4, 2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR>=20
<DIV id=3D3Dyiv1898688693>=20
<DIV>Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?&nbs=
=3D=20
p; Much appreciated.</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>Neal<BR><BR></DIV>=20
<DIV class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRA=
NC=3D=20
IS ALBERT <SPAN dir=3D3Dltr><<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com=
/mc/=3D=20
compose?to=3D3Dfxalbert@prodigy.net" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank yma=
ilto=3D=20
=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net</A>></SPAN> wrot=
e:=3D=20
<BR>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px=
0=3D=20
px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gmail_quote>=20
<TABLE border=3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D0 cellPadding=3D3D0>=20
<TBODY>=20
<TR>=20
<TD style=3D3D"font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit" vAlign=3D3=
Dtop=3D=20
>=20
<DIV>Ed,</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>First your going to need really, really good hose. I recommend T=
=3D=20
rident Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine. It's not=
=3D=20
=C2=A0cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE) smell from this hos=
e.&nb=3D=20
sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no problems. Next you're=
=3D=20
=C2=A0going to want a thick walled rigid plastic tank. You buy a flex=
ible =3D=20
tank and it will stink and you will be sorry. Someone sugge=
=3D=20
sted a stainless steel tank once. You buy that and you're boat will e=
=3D=20
ventually be filled with waste water. Nothing but acid is more corros=
=3D=20
ive than human waste. It will eat right through SS but has no affect =
=3D=20
on plastic. I located my tank forward on the port side. Everyth=
=3D=20
ing from the head is pumped directly into the tank. From the tank the=
=3D=20
re is a Y valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=
=3D=20
fshore.</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest =
=3D=20
tank that would fit up front.</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV> I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350. =
=3D=20
=C2=A0But when I sleep in the V-birth just 3 inches from that stuff an=
d don=3D=20
't smell anything bad I know it was one of the better boat invest=
=3D=20
ments.</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>Good luck. <BR>Frank Albert 41621</DIV>=20
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson <I><<A href=3D3D"http:/=
/u=3D=20
s.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnof=
ollo=3D=20
w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@vid=
eotr=3D=20
on.ca</A>></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT:=
5=3D=20
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: William Thompson <<A href=3D3D"http://us=
.m=3D=20
c811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofoll=
ow t=3D=20
arget=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@videot=
ron.=3D=20
ca</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]suggestions for replaci=
=3D=20
ng water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail=
.y=3D=20
ahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=
arge=3D=20
t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@l=
ists=3D=20
.frers33.com</A>" <<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compos=
e?=3D=20
to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank yma=
ilto=3D=20
=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A>=
&g=3D=20
t;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>Ed,</DIV>=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>=20
<DIV>Been p<SPAN>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan =
=3D=20
site for tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN></DIV>=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>=20
<DIV>Bill Thompson </DIV>=20
<DIV>d'Ad lib </DIV>=20
<DIV>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson=3D20=20
<DIV>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV>=20
<DIV><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <<A href=3D3D=
"h=3D=20
ttp://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.com" rel=
=3D3Dn=3D=20
ofollow target=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A>> wrote:<BR><BR></DIV>=
=20
<DIV></DIV>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D3D"cite">=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Having simila=
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problems with the bladder holding tank on my Frers 36, any good feedback wo=
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FONT=3D=20
-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3=
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admin@lists.frers33.com</A> [mailto:<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo=
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SPAN><SPAN>I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a =
=3D=20
rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good sou=
=3D=20
rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft and low as =
=3D=20
possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 gallons.</SPAN><SP=
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N>2)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =
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SPAN><SPAN>I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying to fix/improve t=
he hol=3D=20
ding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the potential for future odo=
=3D=20
r problems. The current set up is not original. Does anyone have the origin=
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al layout of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the se=
t up o=3D=20
n Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not ex=
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actly where I want the weight.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20=20
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20=20
<DIV><SPAN>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose =
=3D=20
to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not func=
=3D=20
tioning and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the seacock, and re=
=3D=20
moved the hoses which I could readily get to.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20=20
<DIV><SPAN>Removing the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=
=3D=20
=C2=A0tank was placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult =
to re=3D=20
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<DIV><SPAN>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above=
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=C2=A0all no odor.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20=20
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<DIV><SPAN>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=
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>=3D20=20
<DIV><SPAN> </SPAN>=3D20=20
<DIV><SPAN>Thanks</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20=20
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div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><P>Thanks=
for the info Frank. I Have a few of questions;</P>
<P>Did you place the tank all the way forward? </P>
<P>Did you use a rectangluar tank or something more form fitting? </P>
<P>About how far forward of the seacock is the aft end of the tank?</P>
<P> </P>
<P>In speaking with Barry Carrol he suggested looking into using the Rarita=
n Compact II head (no longer in production, they do have a new alterna=
tive) with the accompaning Compact Holding Tank (this has a capacity =
of about 5 Gallons) or the Raske product which is a harder to get (cost is =
arround $700 for head & tank set up). These tanks wrap aroun=
d the base of the head and have built in Y valves for straight discharge, t=
o the tank or pump out. Barry said they used them very effectiv=
ely in Farr 40's and Frers 41's. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Has anyone had any experience with these compact holding tank setups on =
a Frers 33? My thinking is these head and tank arrangements will elim=
inate a lot of hose and therefore potential odor.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Thanks</P>
<P>Ed<BR></P>
<P>
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<P><B>From: </B>frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>To: </B>frers-li=
st@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, April 4, 2012 8:11:02 PM<BR=
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ggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hose (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR>=
2. Re: suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitation hos=
e (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Wed, 4 Apr =
2012 17:07:51 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net&=
gt;<BR>Subject: RE: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sa=
nitation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@l=
ists.frers33.com<BR><BR>---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125<BR>Cont=
ent-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-=
printable<BR><BR>Tom,<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>It's been too long.=3DC2=3DA0 I can'=
t remember and in fact don't even remember =3D<BR>where I bought it.<BR>=3D=
C2=3DA0<BR>I do recall it as a thick walled holding tank.=3DC2=3DA0 There a=
re water tanks,=3D<BR> they're thin walled and holding tanks which hav=
e the thicker walls.=3DC2=3DA0 =3D<BR>The thicker walls prevent odors from =
permeating.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Frank<BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/12=
, Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: =
Bruton, Tom (GECAS) <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com><BR>Subject: RE: [frers-lis=
t]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n hose<BR>To: fr=
ers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@geca=
s.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 5:15 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR=
><BR><BR>Many thanks Frank, did you use a Raritan tank?<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=
=3DC2=3DA0<BR>From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-a=
dmin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.com] On Behalf Of FRANCIS ALBERT<BR>Sent: Wednesd=
ay, April 04, 2012 4:51 PM<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: =
Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n =
hose<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed,<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>Firs=
t your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend Triden=
=3D<BR>t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=3DA0 It=
's not chea=3D<BR>p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA0smell f=
rom this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D<BR>'ve had it now on the boat for 5 years, no=
problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D<BR>g to want a thick walled rigid =
plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible tank =3D<BR>and=3DC2=3DA0it=3DC2=
=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =3D<BR>a=
stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat will eve=
ntu=3D<BR>ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but acid is mo=
re corrosive t=3D<BR>han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right through S=
S but has no affect on pl=3D<BR>astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank forward =
on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D<BR>rom the head is pumped direc=
tly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there is=3D<BR> a Y valve w=
hich allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor=3D<BR>e.<BR=
><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but i=
t was the biggest tank =3D<BR>that would fit up front.<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR=
><BR>=3DC2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=
=3DC2=3DA0 But =3D<BR>when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches fr=
om that stuff and don't sm=3D<BR>ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was on=
e of the better boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D<BR>.<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>=
Good luck.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>Frank Albert 41621<BR><BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/=
12, William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: =
William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]=
suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n hose<BR>To: "fre=
rs-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>Date: We=
dnesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed,<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><B=
R>Been poking into some of the same issues. Check out the Raritan site for =
ta=3D<BR>nks, and really good odor control info.<BR><BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>B=
ill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR>Montreal<BR><BR>Wil=
liam Thompson=3D20<BR><BR>Sent from my iPad<BR><BR><BR>On 2012-04-04, at 12=
:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=3D<BR>ote:<BR=
><BR><BR><BR>Having similar problems with the bladder holding tank on my Fr=
ers 36, any g=3D<BR>ood feedback would be greatly appreciated.<BR>Many than=
ks<BR>Tom<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR>From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.com] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam<=
BR>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
<BR>Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=
n ho=3D<BR>se<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR>1)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC=
2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the original bladd=3D<BR>er water =
tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does any=3D<BR>on=
e know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it =
=3D<BR>as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D=
80=3D93 30 ga=3D<BR>llons.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>2)=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA=
0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the process of trying =3D<B=
R>to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the =
po=3D<BR>tential for future odor problems. The current set up is not origin=
al. Does =3D<BR>anyone have the original layout of the tank & plumbing =
for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D<BR> seen the set up on Moose, custom tan=
ks and clean. Only problem everything =3D<BR>is forward, not exactly where =
I want the weight.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>From what I have read the air vent from=
the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=3D<BR> to 6 feet. I have removed =
the macerator pump as it was not functioning and=3D<BR> inhibited gett=
ing to the shut off valve for the seacock, and removed the h=3D<BR>oses whi=
ch I could readily get to.<BR>Removing the remaining hoses are going to be =
a real chore as the tank was p=3D<BR>laced just above the seacock, so it is=
extremely difficult to remove the ho=3D<BR>se attached to it.=3D20<BR>=3DC=
2=3DA0<BR>My goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above =
all no odo=3D<BR>r.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Any suggestions would be greatly appre=
ciated.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Thanks<BR>Ed Putnam<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR=
>---1654260983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125<BR>Content-Type: text/html; ch=
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;td valign=3D3D"=3D<BR>top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Tom,&l=
t;/DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>It's been too=
long.&nbsp; I can't remember and in fact don't even reme=3D<BR>mber wh=
ere I bought it.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DI=
V>I do <SPAN>recall</SPAN> it as a thick walled holding tank=
.&nbsp; Ther=3D<BR>e are water tanks, they're thin walled and holding t=
anks which have the thi=3D<BR>cker walls.&nbsp; The thicker walls preve=
nt odors from permeating.&nbsp; </=3D<BR>DIV><BR><DIV>&=
nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>We=
d, 4/4/12, <SPAN>Bruton</SPAN>, Tom (GECAS) <=3D<BR>I>&am=
p;lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></=
DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid;=
PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Bruton, Tom=
(GECAS) &lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.co=3D<BR>m&gt;<BR>Subject: RE: =
[frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and =3D<BR>sanitation hose=
<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Cc: "Bruton, Tom (GE=3D=
<BR>CAS)" &lt;Tom.Bruton@gecas.com&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesday, Ap=
ril 4, 2012, 5:15 =3D<BR>PM<BR><BR><BR><DIV id=3D3Dyiv176374=
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bsp;COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Many thanks Frank, did you use a Ra=
ritan =3D<BR>tank?</SPAN></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv176374210=
4MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif';=3D<BR> CO=
LOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV><BR>&l=
t;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 's=
ans-serif';=3D<BR> COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">&nbsp;</=
SPAN></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><B>=
<SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-seri=3D<BR>f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">F=
rom:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-seri=3D<B=
R>f'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers=
-list=3D<BR>-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B>On Behalf Of </B>FRANC=
IS ALBERT<BR><B>Sent:</B=3D<BR>> Wednesday, April 04, 201=
2 4:51 PM<BR><B>To:</B> frers-list@lists.frers33.=3D<BR>c=
om<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [frers-list]suggestions for rep=
lacing water tank=3D<BR> and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV><=
BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><=
TABLE class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormalTable border=3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D0 =
cellP=3D<BR>adding=3D3D0><BR><TBODY><BR><TR><BR><TD style=
=3D3D"PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; PA=3D<BR>=
DDING-TOP: 0in" vAlign=3D3Dtop><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv176=
3742104MsoNormal>Ed,</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P cla=
ss=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><=
DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>First your going to ne=
ed really, really g=3D<BR>ood hose.&nbsp; I recommend Trident Premium S=
anitation Hose (Black) from De=3D<BR>fender Marine.&nbsp; It's not chea=
p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)&=3D<BR>nbsp;smell from this ho=
se.&nbsp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, n=3D<BR>o problems.&=
amp;nbsp; Next you're going to want a thick walled rigid plastic ta=3D<BR>n=
k.&nbsp; You buy a flexible tank and&nbsp;it&nbsp;will stink an=
d you will =3D<BR>be sorry.&nbsp; Someone suggested a stainless steel t=
ank once.&nbsp; You bu=3D<BR>y that and you're boat will eventually be =
filled with waste water.&nbsp; No=3D<BR>thing but acid is more corrosiv=
e than human waste.&nbsp; It will eat right =3D<BR>through SS but has n=
o affect on plastic.&nbsp; I located my tank forward on=3D<BR> the=
port side.&nbsp; Everything from the head is pumped directly into the =
=3D<BR>tank.&nbsp; From the tank there is a Y valve which allows a pump=
out or ove=3D<BR>rboard discharge if you're offshore.</DIV></DIV&=
gt;<BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;&=
lt;/DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoN=
ormal>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 ga=3D<BR>llons but it was t=
he biggest tank that would fit up front.</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV=
><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV><=
;/DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&=
nbsp; I think the hose wound up costing =3D<BR>me somewhere near $350.&=
nbsp; But when I sleep in the V-birth just&nbsp;3 i=3D<BR>nches from th=
at stuff and don't smell anything bad&nbsp;I know it was one o=3D<BR>f =
the better boat&nbsp;investments.</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV>=
;<BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></D=
IV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Good luc=
k.&nbsp; <BR>Frank Albert 41621</=3D<BR>DIV></DIV><BR=
><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>--- On =
<B>Wed, 4/4/12, William Thomps=3D<BR>on <I>&lt;<A href=
=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedec=3D<BR>k@vide=
otron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@v=
=3D<BR>ideotron.ca">foredeck@videotron.ca</A>&gt;</I><=
;/B> wrote:</DIV></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-=
BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 1.5pt=3D<BR> solid; PADDING-=
BOTTOM: 0in; MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; PADDING-LEFT: 4pt; PADDING-RI=3D<BR>GHT: 0in;=
MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 3.75pt; BORDER-TOP: medium none;=3D<BR>&n=
bsp;BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 0in"><BR><P style=3D3D"MA=
RGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>From: W=3D=
<BR>illiam Thompson &lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/=
mc/compose?to=3D<BR>=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3=
D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:=3D<BR>foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@video=
tron.ca</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers=3D<BR>-list]suggesti=
ons for replacing water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: "<A h=3D<B=
R>ref=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@list=
s.frer=3D<BR>s33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailt=
o:frers-list@lists.=3D<BR>frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</=
A>" &lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc8=3D<BR>11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/com=
pose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofol=3D<BR>low target=3D=
3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-l=3D<BR=
>ist@lists.frers33.com</A>&gt;<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4,=
2012, 12:28 PM</=3D<BR>DIV><BR><DIV id=3D3Dyiv1763742104><BR>&=
lt;DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Ed,&=
lt;/DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoN=
ormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=
=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Been p<SPAN class=3D3Dyiv1763742104apple-=
st=3D<BR>yle-span>oking into some of the same issues. Check out the Rari=
tan site for=3D<BR> tanks, and really good odor control info.</SPAN=
></DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv176374210=
4MsoNormal>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P cl=
ass=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Bill Thompson&nbsp;</DIV></D=
IV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>d'Ad lib=
&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv176=
3742104MsoNormal>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson </DIV&g=
t;<BR><DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>Sent from my=
iPad</DIV></DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P style=3D3=
D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal><BR>On 201=
2=3D<BR>-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" &lt;<A href=3D3D"=
http://us.mc811.m=3D<BR>ail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Bruton@gecas.co=
m" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D<BR>=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</A&=
gt;&gt; wrote:</DIV></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"MAR=
GIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"><BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR><=
P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; F=
ONT-SIZE:=3D<BR> 11pt">Having similar problems with the bladder hol=
ding tank on my Frers 36=3D<BR>, any good feedback would be greatly appreci=
ated.</SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104=
msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D<BR> 11p=
t">Many thanks</SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dy=
iv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE:=3D<=
BR> 11pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><P =
class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: #1f497d; FON=
T-SIZE:=3D<BR> 11pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV></DIV>=
;<BR><DIV><BR><DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-L=
EFT: medium none; PADDING=3D<BR>-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RI=
GHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1p=3D<BR>t solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; =
PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><B>=
;<SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt">From:<=3D<BR>/SPAN></B>=
;<SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.m=
ail.=3D<BR>yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" =
rel=3D3Dnofollo=3D<BR>w target=3D3D_blank>frers-list-admin@lists.frers33=
.com</A> <A href=3D3D"http://=3D<BR>us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/com=
pose?to=3D3D[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frer=3D<BR>s33.com]" rel=3D3Dnof=
ollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:[mailto:frers-li=3D<BR>st-admin=
@lists.frers33.com]">[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]</A=
=3D<BR>> <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR><B>Sen=
t:</B> Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15=3D<BR> PM<BR><B>T=
o:</B> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=
=3D<BR>=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blan=
k>frers-list@=3D<BR>lists.frers33.com</A><BR><B>Subjec=
t:</B> [frers-list]suggestions for replac=3D<BR>ing water tank and sa=
nitation hose</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV><=
BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal>&nbsp;</DIV></BLO=
CKQUOTE><BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM=
: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D<BR>s=3D3Dyiv176374210=
4msolistparagraph><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">1)</SPAN>&l=
t;SP=3D<BR>AN style=3D3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </=3D<BR>SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"C=
OLOR: black">I am looking to replace the original blad=3D<BR>der water t=
ank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does an=3D<BR>yone=
know of a good source for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it=3D<=
BR> as far aft and low as possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=
=3D80=3D93 30 g=3D<BR>allons.</SPAN></DIV></DIV><BR><P=
style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SP=
AN style=3D<BR>=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV>&l=
t;/DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARG=
IN-RIGHT: 0in" clas=3D<BR>s=3D3Dyiv1763742104msolistparagraph><SPAN s=
tyle=3D3D"COLOR: black">2)</SPAN><SP=3D<BR>AN style=3D3D"COLOR:=
black; FONT-SIZE: 7pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; </=3D<BR>SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">I=3DE2=3D80=3D9=
9m also in the process of trying=3D<BR> to fix/improve the holding tan=
k/plumbing set up. Trying to eliminate the p=3D<BR>otential for future odor=
problems. The current set up is not original. Does=3D<BR> anyone have=
the original layout of the tank &amp; plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D<=
BR>=3D99ve seen the set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem e=
veryt=3D<BR>hing is forward, not exactly where I want the weight.</SPAN&=
gt;</DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=
=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><P =
class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Fr=
om what I =3D<BR>have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exc=
eed 5 to 6 feet. =3D<BR>I have removed the macerator pump as it was not fun=
ctioning and inhibited g=3D<BR>etting to the shut off valve for the seacock=
, and removed the hoses which I=3D<BR> could readily get to.</SPAN&=
gt;</DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=
=3D3D"COLOR: black">Removing the=3D<BR> remaining hoses are going t=
o be a real chore as the tank was placed just a=3D<BR>bove the seacock, so =
it is extremely difficult to remove the hose attached =3D<BR>to it. </SP=
AN></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN st=
yle=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><=
;P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">=
;My goal is t=3D<BR>o try to minimize the total amount of hose and above al=
l no odor.</SPAN></D=3D<BR>IV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104=
msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR=
>></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN sty=
le=3D3D"COLOR: black">Any suggesti=3D<BR>ons would be greatly appreciate=
d.</SPAN></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal>&l=
t;SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">&nbsp;</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV&g=
t;<BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: =
black">Thanks</SPAN=3D<BR>></DIV><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763=
742104msonormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: black">Ed Putnam</S=3D<=
BR>PAN></DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM=
: 10pt" class=3D3Dyiv1763742104ms=3D<BR>onormal><SPAN style=3D3D"COLO=
R: black">&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV></TD></TR></=
TBODY><=3D<BR>/TABLE><BR><P class=3D3Dyiv1763742104MsoNormal>=
;<SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif';=3D<BR> FONT-SIZE: 10pt=
">&nbsp;</SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>=
;</BLOCKQUOTE></td></=3D<BR>tr></table><BR>---16542=
60983-887932635-1333584471=3D:33125--<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 2<B=
R>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 17:09:55 -0700 (PDT)<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fx=
albert@prodigy.net><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacin=
g water tank and sanitation hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Rep=
ly-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>--652505220-46642948-1333584595=
=3D:82242<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dutf-8<BR>Content-Transfer-=
Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>It actually looks a lot like Cernobyl.=3D=
C2=3DA0 Just kidding.=3DC2=3DA0 I'll take =3D<BR>some shots tomorrow and po=
st them.=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Frank<=
BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com> wr=
ote:<BR><BR><BR>From: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com><BR>Subj=
ect: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replacing water tank and sanitatio=3D<=
BR>n hose<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, =
2012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR>Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us o=
f that installation?=3DC2=3DA0 Mu=3D<BR>ch appreciated.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Ne=
al<BR><BR><BR>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@p=
rodigy.net> wrote=3D<BR>:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed,<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<B=
R>First your going to need really, really good hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I recommend =
Triden=3D<BR>t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.=3DC2=
=3DA0 It's not chea=3D<BR>p at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)=3DC2=3DA=
0smell from this hose.=3DC2=3DA0 I=3D<BR>'ve had it now on the boat for 5 y=
ears, no problems.=3DC2=3DA0 Next you're goin=3D<BR>g to want a thick walle=
d rigid plastic tank.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy a flexible tank =3D<BR>and=3DC2=3DA=
0it=3DC2=3DA0will stink and you will be sorry.=3DC2=3DA0 Someone suggested =
=3D<BR>a stainless steel tank once.=3DC2=3DA0 You buy that and you're boat =
will eventu=3D<BR>ally be filled with waste water.=3DC2=3DA0 Nothing but ac=
id is more corrosive t=3D<BR>han human waste.=3DC2=3DA0 It will eat right t=
hrough SS but has no affect on pl=3D<BR>astic.=3DC2=3DA0 I located my tank =
forward on the port side.=3DC2=3DA0 Everything f=3D<BR>rom the head is pump=
ed directly into the tank.=3DC2=3DA0 From the tank there is=3D<BR> a Y=
valve which allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're offshor=3D<=
BR>e.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>My tank is smallish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but i=
t was the biggest tank =3D<BR>that would fit up front.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>=3D=
C2=3DA0 I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.=3DC2=3DA0=
But =3D<BR>when I sleep in the V-birth just=3DC2=3DA03 inches from that st=
uff and don't sm=3D<BR>ell anything bad=3DC2=3DA0I know it was one of the b=
etter boat=3DC2=3DA0investments=3D<BR>.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>Good luck.=3DC2=3D=
A0=3D20<BR>Frank Albert 41621<BR><BR>--- On Wed, 4/4/12, William Thompson &=
lt;foredeck@videotron.ca> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: William Thompson <f=
oredeck@videotron.ca><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]suggestions for replac=
ing water tank and sanitatio=3D<BR>n hose<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.=
com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012=
, 12:28 PM<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed,<BR><BR><BR>Been poking into some of the s=
ame issues. Check out the Raritan site for ta=3D<BR>nks, and really good od=
or control info.<BR><BR><BR>Bill Thompson=3DC2=3DA0<BR>d'Ad lib=3DC2=3DA0<B=
R>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompson=3D20<BR>Sent from my iPad<BR><BR>On 2012=
-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wr=
=3D<BR>ote:<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Having similar problems with the bla=
dder holding tank on my Frers 36, any g=3D<BR>ood feedback would be greatly=
appreciated.<BR>Many thanks<BR>Tom<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR>From: frers-li=
st-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=3D<BR>rs33.co=
m] On Behalf Of Ed Putnam<BR>Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<BR>To: fr=
ers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: [frers-list]suggestions for replacin=
g water tank and sanitation ho=3D<BR>se<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR><BR><BR>1)=3D=
C2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I am looking to replace the=
original bladd=3D<BR>er water tank, with a rigid tank, moving it to the st=
arboard side. Does any=3D<BR>one know of a good source for a good fitting t=
ank? I would like to have it =3D<BR>as far aft and low as possible, with a =
capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 ga=3D<BR>llons.<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>2)=
=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also i=
n the process of trying =3D<BR>to fix/improve the holding tank/plumbing set=
up. Trying to eliminate the po=3D<BR>tential for future odor problems. The=
current set up is not original. Does =3D<BR>anyone have the original layou=
t of the tank & plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve=3D<BR> seen th=
e set up on Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything =3D<BR>i=
s forward, not exactly where I want the weight.=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>=
>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not suppose to exceed 5=
=3D<BR> to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it was not fun=
ctioning and=3D<BR> inhibited getting to the shut off valve for the se=
acock, and removed the h=3D<BR>oses which I could readily get to.=3D20<BR>R=
emoving the remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the tank was p=
=3D<BR>laced just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to remove=
the ho=3D<BR>se attached to it.=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>My goal is to t=
ry to minimize the total amount of hose and above all no odo=3D<BR>r.=3D20<=
BR>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.=3D20<BR=
>=3DC2=3DA0=3D20<BR>Thanks=3D20<BR>Ed Putnam=3D20<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR><BR><BR>=
<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--=3D20<BR><BR>Neal Melanso=
n<BR>89 Central St.<BR>Rowley Ma. 01969<BR>=3DC2=3DA0<BR>978 948 7189<BR><B=
R>--652505220-46642948-1333584595=3D:82242<BR>Content-Type: text/html; char=
set=3Dutf-8<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR><table=
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d valign=3D3D"=3D<BR>top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>It actua=
lly looks a lot like Cernobyl.&n=3D<BR>bsp; Just kidding.&nbsp; I'l=
l take some shots tomorrow and post them.&nbsp;=3D<BR> </DIV>=
;<BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=
<BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>Frank<BR><BR&g=
t;--- On <B>Wed, 4/4/12, Neal Melanson <I>&lt;neal.melanson=
=3D<BR>@gmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV><=
BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING=
-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Neal Melanson &=
lt;neal.melanson@gmail.com&g=3D<BR>t;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list=
]suggestions for replacing water tank and san=3D<BR>itation hose<BR>T=
o: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, April =3D<BR>4, 2=
012, 6:09 PM<BR><BR><BR><DIV id=3D3Dyiv1898688693><BR><=
;DIV>Hi Frank, can you shoot some pictures for us of that installation?&=
amp;nbs=3D<BR>p; Much appreciated.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;<=
/DIV><BR><DIV>Neal<BR><BR></DIV><BR><DIV clas=
s=3D3Dyiv1898688693gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:50 PM, FRANC=3D<=
BR>IS ALBERT <SPAN dir=3D3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc81=
1.mail.yahoo.com/mc/=3D<BR>compose?to=3D3Dfxalbert@prodigy.net" rel=3D3Dnof=
ollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D<BR>=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">=
;fxalbert@prodigy.net</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:=3D<BR><BR>=
;<BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MAR=
GIN: 0px 0=3D<BR>px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D3Dyiv1898688693gm=
ail_quote><BR><TABLE border=3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D0 cellPadding=3D3D0=
><BR><TBODY><BR><TR><BR><TD style=3D3D"font-size-adjust: =
inherit; font-stretch: inherit" vAlign=3D3Dtop=3D<BR>><BR><DIV>Ed,=
</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>First your =
going to need really, really good hose.&nbsp; I recommend T=3D<BR>riden=
t Premium Sanitation Hose (Black) from Defender Marine.&nbsp; It's not=
=3D<BR> cheap at $7.99 a foot but there is no (NONE)&nbsp;smell fr=
om this hose.&nb=3D<BR>sp; I've had it now on the boat for 5 years, no =
problems.&nbsp; Next you're=3D<BR> going to want a thick walled ri=
gid plastic tank.&nbsp; You buy a flexible =3D<BR>tank and&nbsp;it&=
amp;nbsp;will stink and you will be sorry.&nbsp; Someone sugge=3D<BR>st=
ed a stainless steel tank once.&nbsp; You buy that and you're boat will=
e=3D<BR>ventually be filled with waste water.&nbsp; Nothing but acid i=
s more corros=3D<BR>ive than human waste.&nbsp; It will eat right throu=
gh SS but has no affect =3D<BR>on plastic.&nbsp; I located my tank forw=
ard on the port side.&nbsp; Everyth=3D<BR>ing from the head is pumped d=
irectly into the tank.&nbsp; From the tank the=3D<BR>re is a Y valve wh=
ich allows a pump out or overboard discharge if you're of=3D<BR>fshore.<=
/DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>My tank is smal=
lish may be 20 maybe 15 gallons but it was the biggest =3D<BR>tank that wou=
ld fit up front.</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DI=
V>&nbsp; I think the hose wound up costing me somewhere near $350.&a=
mp;nbsp;=3D<BR> But when I sleep in the V-birth just&nbsp;3 inches=
from that stuff and don=3D<BR>'t smell anything bad&nbsp;I know it was=
one of the better boat&nbsp;invest=3D<BR>ments.</DIV><BR><DIV=
>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>Good luck.&nbsp; <BR>Fra=
nk Albert 41621</DIV><BR><DIV><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 4/=
4/12, William Thompson <I>&lt;<A href=3D3D"http://u=3D<BR>s.mc=
811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollo=
=3D<BR>w target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">fo=
redeck@videotr=3D<BR>on.ca</A>&gt;</I></B> wrote:<=
BR></DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255)=
2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: =
William Thompson &lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.m=3D<BR>c811.mail.yahoo.=
com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dforedeck@videotron.ca" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=3D<BR>arget=
=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:foredeck@videotron.ca">foredeck@videotro=
n.=3D<BR>ca</A>&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [<SPAN>frers</=
SPAN>-list]suggestions for replaci=3D<BR>ng water tank and sanitation ho=
se<BR>To: "<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.y=3D<BR>ahoo.com/mc/c=
ompose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow targe=3D<BR>t=
=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list=
@lists=3D<BR>.frers33.com</A>" &lt;<A href=3D3D"http://us.mc81=
1.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?=3D<BR>to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=
=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D<BR>=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists=
.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A>&g=3D<BR>t;<B=
R>Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2012, 12:28 PM<BR><BR><BR><DI=
V><BR><DIV><BR><DIV>Ed,</DIV><BR><DIV><BR>=
</DIV><BR><DIV>Been p<SPAN>oking into some of the same is=
sues. Check out the Raritan =3D<BR>site for tanks, and really good odor con=
trol info.</SPAN></DIV><BR><DIV><BR></DIV><BR=
><DIV>Bill Thompson&nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>d'Ad lib&=
nbsp;</DIV><BR><DIV>Montreal<BR><BR>William Thompso=
n=3D20<BR><DIV>Sent from my iPad</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV&g=
t;<BR>On 2012-04-04, at 12:09 PM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)" &lt;<A=
href=3D3D"h=3D<BR>ttp://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3DTom.Brut=
on@gecas.com" rel=3D3Dn=3D<BR>ofollow target=3D3D_blank>Tom.Bruton@gecas=
.com</A>&gt; wrote:<BR><BR></DIV><BR><DIV>=
;</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type=3D3D"cite"><BR><DIV><BR><D=
IV><BR><DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: =
11pt">Having similar =3D<BR>problems with the bladder holding tank on my=
Frers 36, any good feedback wo=3D<BR>uld be greatly appreciated.</SPAN&=
gt;</DIV></DIV><BR><DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31=
,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Many thanks</SP=3D<BR>AN></DIV>&l=
t;/DIV><BR><DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SI=
ZE: 11pt">Tom</SPAN></DIV=3D<BR>></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV=
><BR><DIV><SPAN style=3D3D"COLOR: rgb(31,73,125); FONT-SIZE: 11=
pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></=3D<BR>DIV></DIV><BR><DIV>=
;<BR><DIV style=3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium non=
e; PADDING=3D<BR>-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDE=
R-TOP: rgb(181,19=3D<BR>6,223) 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDIN=
G-TOP: 3pt"><BR><DIV><B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt"=
>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT=3D<BR>-SIZE: 10pt"=
> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfre=
=3D<BR>rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow target=3D3D_blank&=
gt;frers-list-=3D<BR>admin@lists.frers33.com</A> [mailto:<A href=
=3D3D"http://us.mc811.mail.yahoo.c=3D<BR>om/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list-ad=
min@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow targe=3D<BR>t=3D3D_blank ymailto=3D=
3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list=3D<BR>-admin@li=
sts.frers33.com</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ed Putnam<BR&=
gt;<B>Sent:</B>=3D<BR> Monday, March 05, 2012 2:15 PM<B=
R><B>To:</B> <A href=3D3D"http://us.mc811.ma=3D<BR>il.yah=
oo.com/mc/compose?to=3D3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3D3Dnofollow t=
=3D<BR>arget=3D3D_blank>frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR>=
<B>Subject:</B> [frers-l=3D<BR>ist]suggestions for replacing wa=
ter tank and sanitation hose</SPAN></DIV></=3D<BR>DIV><=
;/DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;=3D20<BR><DIV><BR><DIV><BR>&l=
t;P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"&g=
t;<SPA=3D<BR>N>1)</SPAN><SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt">=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </=3D<BR>SPAN><=
SPAN>I am looking to replace the original bladder water tank, with a =3D=
<BR>rigid tank, moving it to the starboard side. Does anyone know of a good=
sou=3D<BR>rce for a good fitting tank? I would like to have it as far aft =
and low as =3D<BR>possible, with a capacity of about 20 =3DE2=3D80=3D93 30 =
gallons.</SPAN><SPAN></S=3D<BR>PAN></DIV></DIV&g=
t;<BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.25in"><SPAN>&nbsp;</S=
PAN></DIV></DIV><BR><P style=3D3D"MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0pt; MAR=
GIN-LEFT: 0.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in"><SPA=3D<BR>N>2)</SPAN>&l=
t;SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; </=3D<BR>SPAN><SPAN>I=3DE2=3D80=3D99m also in the =
process of trying to fix/improve the hol=3D<BR>ding tank/plumbing set up. T=
rying to eliminate the potential for future odo=3D<BR>r problems. The curre=
nt set up is not original. Does anyone have the origin=3D<BR>al layout of t=
he tank &amp; plumbing for it? I=3DE2=3D80=3D99ve seen the set up o=3D<=
BR>n Moose, custom tanks and clean. Only problem everything is forward, not=
ex=3D<BR>actly where I want the weight.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN&=
gt;=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV&=
gt;<SPAN>From what I have read the air vent from the tank is not supp=
ose =3D<BR>to exceed 5 to 6 feet. I have removed the macerator pump as it w=
as not func=3D<BR>tioning and inhibited getting to the shut off valve for t=
he seacock, and re=3D<BR>moved the hoses which I could readily get to.</=
SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>Removing t=
he remaining hoses are going to be a real chore as the=3D<BR> tank was=
placed just above the seacock, so it is extremely difficult to re=3D<BR>mo=
ve the hose attached to it. </SPAN><SPAN></SPAN><BR><D=
IV><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>My=
goal is to try to minimize the total amount of hose and above=3D<BR> =
all no odor.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><S=
PAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>Any suggestio=
ns would be greatly appreciated.</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN=3D<BR>&g=
t;=3D20<BR><DIV><SPAN>&nbsp;</SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV&g=
t;<SPAN>Thanks</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><DIV&=
gt;<SPAN>Ed Putnam</SPAN><SPAN></SPAN>=3D20<BR><=
P style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: 13pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 10pt"><SPAN>&nb=
sp;</SPAN></DI=3D<BR>V><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV&g=
t;</DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><=
;DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><=
BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DI=
V><BR><DIV></DIV><BR><DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE&=
gt;</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE><=
;/DIV><BR><B=3D<BR>R clear=3D3Dall><BR>-- <BR><B=
R><DIV>Neal Melanson</DIV><BR><DIV>89 Central St.</DIV=
><BR><DIV>Rowley Ma. 01969</DIV><BR><DIV>&nbsp;<=
;/DIV><BR><DIV>978 948 7189</DIV><BR></DIV></=
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