[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #597 - 1 msg
FRANCIS ALBERT
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I actually contaced US Sailing.=A0 They said they could not get involved in=
local PHRF matters.=A0 They made some comment that local PHRF communities =
did not want US Sailing butting into their business and US Sailing was conc=
erned enough to tell me they were sorry but I was on my own.
=A0
The really sad part was that after all my research, all the data I provided=
all it took was a call from the sail maker to a friend on the PHRF committ=
ee.=A0=20
=A0
I have said for a long long time sailing is the ONLY sport were we handicap=
the equipment and not the people.=A0 In every other sport where we have ha=
ndicaps we handicap the people and that works well.=A0 Can you imagine buyi=
ng golf clubs were they would tell you these clubs have a handicap of 20 yo=
u should be able to hit par pluse 20 with these clubs.
=A0
Or bowling where you'd by a ball and they would tell you this is a 250 ball=
so your handicap will be 50.=A0=20
=A0
We have the computing power now to handicap each boat after each race and a=
djust that handicap so everyone ties.=A0 Each new race would adjust your ha=
ndicap accordingly and eventually we would really have some tight racing.
=A0
That's the way they do it in every bowling league.=A0 You go out to your fi=
rst game and bowl and whatever you get they add enough to give you a 300 sc=
ore and whatever they add that's your handicap.=A0 As you bowl your handica=
p changes and is adjusted so eventually everyone is pretty equal.=A0 Imagin=
e how many racers we would have when a Catalina 25 could potentially beat a=
Melges 24.
=A0
And with that, an=A0end to the endless better, newer, faster, arms race of =
kevlar/mylar/carbon sails, carbon fiber spinnaker poles and masts.=A0 Less =
expensive boats, more boat owners.=A0 It would be fun.
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From: fwitt1@comcast.net <fwitt1@comcast.net>
Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #597 - 1 msg
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 1:12 PM
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Regarding your local PHRF experience. You have a right to appeal the local =
councils decision to US PHRF which is a part of US Sailing.=A0You have the =
right to present your numbers and also to plead your case via conference ca=
ll. In those cases=A0the conference call includes the US PHRF rep, your loc=
al council rep and you.=A0Prior to the call, you must submit race results, =
etc etc. We have had a few of these cases and our local council was much mo=
re magnanimous with regard to showing racers the=A0way to appeal. If the lo=
cal=A0council rep will not help, contact US Sailing your self and ask for t=
he procedure.=20
=A0
FW=A0=A0
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From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs
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The message from our friend in the mid-west was a nice message.=3DA0 Let me=
t=3D
ell you my tale.
=3DA0
I owned a CS 30 (not a fast boat).=3DA0 I had a PHRF of 149.=3DA0 Lowest in=
the=3D
=A0nation.=3DA0 I sent a letter to PHRF of the Chesapeake (yes I am naming =
name=3D
s).=3DA0 The letter had an endorsement from the local UK Sail maker who had=
s=3D
ailed with us a number of times.=3DA0 It also had results from a years wort=
h =3D
of racing both.=3DA0 Mark racing and point to point long races.=3DA0 It sho=
wed =3D
the various handicaps around the country.=3DA0 I asked for a 9 second incre=
as=3D
e to my PHRF.=3DA0 I was denied.=3DA0 I called my PHRF rep.=3DA0 We talked,=
he to=3D
ld me if I wasn't buying all new sails every year I had no business racing.=
=3D
=3DA0 I hung up.=3DA0=3D20
=3DA0
I called my sail maker and told him I'd been refused.=3DA0 He said he would=
t=3D
alk to them.=3DA0 The next day I had 6 seconds added to my PHRF.=3DA0 A sad=
, sa=3D
d story about PHRF of the Chesapeake.
=3DA0
Frank Albert
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From: fwitt1@comcast.net <fwitt1@comcast.net>
Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 12:32 AM
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Edgar,
=3DA0
I am on the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representing my clu=
=3D
b amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet during the o=
=3D
ff season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon altera=
=3D
tions to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a few ti=
=3D
ps I can provide to present to your local PHRF council.=3D20
=3DA0
First of all, supplying individual race results is the single most importan=
=3D
t thing you can do to support your case. Find out from the local council ju=
=3D
st how thay want that information presented. Our council has a excel spread=
=3D
=A0sheet format, along with the Excel program that they will provide for ap=
pe=3D
llants.=3D20
=3DA0
Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the fleet skippe=
=3D
rs to present your case in person. The fact that you are "buttoned up" with=
=3D
=A0numbers and appear in person=3DA0is important.=3D20
=3DA0
Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy r protecting the fleet.=
=3D
=A0Councils usually have a few boats that they have a lot of history on, an=
d =3D
whose performance is a known factor. They use these boats to judge your per=
=3D
formance rating. In our council, one=3DA0such boats is the J 35. Any time y=
ou=3D
=A0get to compare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports your =
ca=3D
se, should be highlighted.=3D20
=3DA0
Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for your rating, partly =
=3D
because local councils don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings. Some=
=3D
times this reflects a parochial attitude about their council, and other tim=
=3D
es because=3DA0there are significant differences between San Francisco as i=
t =3D
is=3DA0known as a high wind venue, and San=3DA0Diego as a less windy. Long =
Isla=3D
nd is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Another issue is c=
=3D
omparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float higher and the=
=3D
refore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater=3DA0boats.=3DA0Anothe=
r th=3D
ing you may want to research for the meeting is the ratings of similar boat=
=3D
s under the IMS ratings. Although they don't like to admit it, the technica=
=3D
l sub committee of the councils will often look at comparisons of these rat=
=3D
ings compared to similar boats (like the J 35) to determine if your rating =
=3D
appears to be in line.=3D20
=3DA0
Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By the way, my rating is 108=
=3D
, which was adjusted downward=3DA0 before I purchased my boat, from a 114.
=3DA0
Your secret pal in the Midwest.
=3DA0
FW
=3DA0
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=3DA0=3DA0 1. ECSA class rating (Edgar Smith)
=3DA0=3DA0 2. Re: ECSA class rating (FRANCIS ALBERT)
=3DA0=3DA0 3. Re: ECSA class rating (William Thompson)
=3DA0=3DA0 4. Re: ECSA class rating (Scott Marino)
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Message: 1
From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0500
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating
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The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next =3D3D
meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine =3D3D
review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but =3D=
3D
the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile =
=3D
=3D3D
for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =3D3D
Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D3D
evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =
=3D
=3D3D
rating adjustment.=3D3D20
The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats =3D=
3D
in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D=
3D
the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D=
3D
I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D3=
D
doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds =
=3D
=3D3D
for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall =3D=
3D
standings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or =3D3D
more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other =3D3D
competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with an average =3D=
3D
finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and =3D=
3D
average finish of 57th.=3D3D20
I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3=
D
two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for =
=3D
=3D3D
the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D3=
D
separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D=
3D
Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At =
=3D
=3D3D
first look, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D3D
nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D=
3D
were commensurate. =3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D3=
D
little tougher)
I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF =3D3D
ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =3D3D
from the fleet.=3D3D20
Edgar Smith
Pachyderm=3D3D
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The =3D3=
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ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meeting =
=3D
=3D3D
on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of =3D3D
boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =
=3D
=3D3D
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the =3D3D
class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long =3D=
3D
Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D3D
evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =
=3D
=3D3D
rating adjustment. <div><br></div><div>The Frers 33 has do=
=3D
ne well =3D3D
in the results, but if you look at the boats in our division who raced =3D3=
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more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well =3D3D
distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think this shows =
=3D
=3D3D
mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more races =3D3D
than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =3D3D
boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, =3D=
3D
exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive =3D3D
boats with better averages such as the J-27 with an average finish =3D=
3D
52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with =3D3=
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and average finish of 57th. </div><div><div><br></div>&=
=3D
lt;div>I'm also =3D3D
working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =3D3D
previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the =
=3D
=3D3D
Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D3D
separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D=
3D
Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At =
=3D
=3D3D
first look, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D3D
nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D=
3D
were commensurate. (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D=
3D
little tougher)</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>I'd=
=3D
=A0like to collect =3D3D
other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other regions =
=3D
=3D3D
and any other ideas for presenting our case from the =3D3D
fleet. </div><div><br><div><div>
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Edgar,
=3D3DA0
PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult ratin=
=3D
=3D3D
g to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sail the=3D3DA0heck out of that boat =
and =3D
the =3D3D
crew work is impeccable.
=3D3DA0=3D3D20
=3D3DA0
Thanks,
Frank Albert
RELENTLESS
--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote=
=3D
:
From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>
Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM
The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meetin=
=3D
=3D3D
g on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of boa=
=3D
=3D3D
ts/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=
=3D
=3D3D
ometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3=
DA=3D
0I=3D3D
=3DA0believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound=
a=3D
t =3D3D
108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support =
th=3D
is=3D3D
=3DA0and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3=
DA0=3D
=3D3D20
The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in =
=3D
=3D3D
our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Fr=
=3D
=3D3D
ers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I t=
hi=3D
nk=3D3D
=3DA0this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing m=
or=3D
e =3D3D
races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =
=3D
=3D3D
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
=3D
=3D3D
in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=
=3D
=3D3D
n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=
=3D
=3D3D
er averages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3D3DA0the T=
ripp=3D
=A036 =3D3D
average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=
=3D
=3D3DA0
I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =
=3D
=3D3D
previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Br=
=3D
=3D3D
anford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separating=
=3D
=3D3D
=3DA0out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=
he=3D
=A0F=3D3D
rers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=
=3D
=3D3D
hink I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in e=
=3D
=3D3D
ach boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =3D3=
DA=3D
0(=3D3D
In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)
I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings=
=3D
=3D3D
=3DA0in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the =
fl=3D
ee=3D3D
t.=3D3DA0
Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
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<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
=3D
lt =3D3D
rating to sail to. I do okay but we sail the heck out of that bo=
=3D
=3D3D
at and the crew work is impeccable.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
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;I><edgar@ge=3D3D
omatrixproductions.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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ns.=3D3D
com><BR>Subject: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating<=
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Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -0500
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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I race at 114 in Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making =
=3D
an additional 180 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley =
=3D
Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 the=
=3D
y would have assigned unmodified.
William Thompson
Sent from my iPad
On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:
>=3D20
> Edgar,
> =3DA0
> PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rat=
=3D
ing to sail to. =3DA0I do okay but we sail the heck out of that boat and th=
e =3D
crew work is impeccable.
> =3DA0
> =3DA0
> Thanks,
> Frank Albert
> RELENTLESS
>=3D20
> --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wro=
=3D
te:
>=3D20
> From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>
> Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM
>=3D20
> The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meet=
=3D
ing on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of b=
=3D
oats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can=
=3D
=A0sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=
I=3D
=A0believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound a=
t =3D
108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support this a=
=3D
nd insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D20
>=3D20
> The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats i=
=3D
n our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the =
=3D
Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think=
=3D
=A0this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing mor=
e =3D
races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =
=3D
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
=3D
in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=
=3D
n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=
=3D
er averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 aver=
=3D
age finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=3D20
>=3D20
> I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the tw=
=3D
o previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the =
=3D
Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separati=
=3D
ng out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the=
=3D
=A0Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look,=
I=3D
=A0think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races =
in=3D
=A0each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =
=3D
=3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)
>=3D20
> I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratin=
=3D
gs in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fl=
=3D
eet.=3D20
>=3D20
> Edgar Smith
> Pachyderm
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; charset=3D3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D3D"auto"><div>I race at 11=
4 in=3D
=A0Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional =
18=3D
0 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Ass=
=3D
oc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have ass=
=3D
igned unmodified.<br><br>William Thompson<div>Sent from my iPad<=
=3D
;/div></div><div><br>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <=
=3D
;<a href=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net</a>&g=
t;=3D
=A0wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D3D"cite"><div><=
tabl=3D
e cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=3D3D"0"><tbody><tr>&=
lt;td =3D
valign=3D3D"top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><div>Edgar,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
=3D
lt rating to sail to. I do okay but we sail the heck out of that=
=3D
=A0boat and the crew work is impeccable.</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Frank Albert</div>
<div>RELENTLESS<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith <=
=3D
;i><<a href=3D3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatr=
ix=3D
productions.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=
FT=3D
: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Edgar Smith <<a href=3D3D"mailt=
o:=3D
edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrixproductions.com</a>>&l=
=3D
t;br>Subject: [<span>frers</span>-list]ECSA class rating<br>To: &l=
=3D
t;a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33=
.c=3D
om</a><br>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM<br><br>
<div id=3D3D"yiv249185265">
<div>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=
=3D
t meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine revie=
=3D
w of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the revi=
=3D
ew can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the cl=
=3D
ass. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Islan=
=3D
d Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence t=
=3D
o support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjus=
=3D
tment. =3D20
<div><br></div>
<div>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
=3D
oats in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats=
=3D
) the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&n=
=3D
bsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =
=3D
doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds fo=
=3D
r the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall stand=
=3D
ings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races=
=3D
, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boat=
=3D
s with better averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&n=
=3D
bsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average=
=3D
=A0finish of 57th. </div>
<div>
<div><br></div>
<div>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =
=3D
the two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results fo=
=3D
r the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of se=
=3D
parating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac =
=3D
vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first l=
=3D
ook, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 ra=
=3D
ces in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensura=
=3D
te. (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)<=
=3D
;/div>
<div><br></div>
<div>
<div>
<div>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=
=3D
=A0ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case fro=
m =3D
the fleet. </div>
<div><br>
<div>
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
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<DIV>Edgar,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
=3D
lt =3D3D
rating to sail to. I do okay but we sail the heck out of that bo=
=3D
=3D3D
at and the crew work is impeccable.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>
<DIV>RELENTLESS<WBR><WBR>--- On <B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &=
=3D
lt;I><edgar@=3D3D
geomatrixproductions.com></I></B> wrote:<WBR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductio=
=3D
ns.=3D3D
com><BR>Subject: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating<=
=3D
BR>To: frers=3D3D
-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM<=
=3D
;BR><B=3D3D
R>
<DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804>
<DIV>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=
=3D
t m=3D3D
eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=
=3D
=3D3D
f boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =
=3D
=3D3D
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=
=3D
=3D3D
. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=
=3D
=3D3D
ound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=
=3D
=3D3D
upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=
=3D
=3D3D
nt. =3D3D20
<DIV><WBR></DIV>
<DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
=3D
oat=3D3D
s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=
=3D
=3D3D
he Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =
=3D
=3D3D
;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=
=3D
=3D3D
ng more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=
=3D
=3D3D
he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
=3D
=3D3D
s boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=
=3D
=3D3D
xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats w=
=3D
=3D3D
ith better averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, =
=3D
=3D3D
;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=
=3D
=3D3D
nish of 57th. </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><WBR></DIV>
<DIV>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =
=3D
the=3D3D
=3DA0two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results f=
or=3D
=A0t=3D3D
he Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separ=
=3D
=3D3D
ating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =
=3D
=3D3D
the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look=
=3D
=3D3D
, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=
=3D
=3D3D
=3DA0in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensur=
at=3D
e.=3D3D
=3DA0 (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&l=
t;=3D
/DIV>
<DIV><WBR></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=
=3D
=A0ra=3D3D
tings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=
=3D
=3D3D
=3DA0fleet. </DIV>
<DIV><WBR>
<DIV>
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top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>The message from our friend in the =
mid-w=3D
est was a nice message. Let me tell you my tale.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I owned a CS 30 (not a fast boat). I had a PHRF of 149. =
Lo=3D
west in the nation. I sent a letter to PHRF of the Chesapeake (yes I =
=3D
am naming names). The letter had an endorsement from the local UK Sai=
=3D
l maker who had sailed with us a number of times. It also had results=
=3D
=A0from a years worth of racing both. Mark racing and point to point =
lo=3D
ng races. It showed the various handicaps around the country. I=
=3D
=A0asked for a 9 second increase to my PHRF. I was denied. I ca=
ll=3D
ed my PHRF rep. We talked, he told me if I wasn't buying all new sail=
=3D
s every year I had no business racing. I hung up. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I called my sail maker and told him I'd been refused. He said=
he=3D
=A0would talk to them. The next day I had 6 seconds added to my PHRF.=
&n=3D
bsp; A sad, sad story about PHRF of the Chesapeake.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Albert<BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 11/21/12, fwitt1@comcas=
t.net <I><=3D
;fwitt1@comcast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=
FT: 5=3D
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: fwitt1@comcast.net <fwitt1@comcast.ne=
t&g=3D
t;<BR>Subject: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol=
1 #595 -=3D
=A04 msgs<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, Nov=
ember 21=3D
, 2012, 12:32 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3D3Dyiv1543362934>
<STYLE type=3D3Dtext/css>#yiv1543362934 p {margin:0;}</STYLE>
<DIV>
<DIV style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV>Edgar,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am on the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representin=
g m=3D
y club amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet during =
=3D
the off season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon a=
=3D
lterations to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a f=
=3D
ew tips I can provide to present to your local PHRF council. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>First of all, supplying individual race results is the single most =
imp=3D
ortant thing you can do to support your case. Find out from the local counc=
=3D
il just how thay want that information presented. Our council has a excel s=
=3D
pread sheet format, along with the Excel program that they will provide for=
=3D
=A0appellants. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the flee=
t s=3D
kippers to present your case in person. The fact that you are "buttoned up"=
=3D
=A0with numbers and appear in person is important. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy r protecting th=
e f=3D
leet. Councils usually have a few boats that they have a lot of history on,=
=3D
=A0and whose performance is a known factor. They use these boats to judge y=
ou=3D
r performance rating. In our council, one such boats is the J 35. Any =
=3D
time you get to compare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports=
=3D
=A0your case, should be highlighted. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for your rating,=
pa=3D
rtly because local councils don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings.=
=3D
=A0Sometimes this reflects a parochial attitude about their council, and ot=
he=3D
r times because there are significant differences between San Francisc=
=3D
o as it is known as a high wind venue, and San Diego as a less wi=
=3D
ndy. Long Island is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Anot=
=3D
her issue is comparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float =
=3D
higher and therefore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater bo=
=3D
ats. Another thing you may want to research for the meeting is the rat=
=3D
ings of similar boats under the IMS ratings. Although they don't like to ad=
=3D
mit it, the technical sub committee of the councils will often look at comp=
=3D
arisons of these ratings compared to similar boats (like the J 35) to deter=
=3D
mine if your rating appears to be in line. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By the way, my ratin=
g i=3D
s 108, which was adjusted downward before I purchased my boat, from a=
=3D
=A0114.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Your secret pal in the Midwest.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FW</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><B>From: </B>frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com<BR><B=
>To: </B>frers-=3D
list@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>Sent: </B>Tuesday, November 20, 2012 =
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M<BR><B>Subject: </B>frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs<BR>=
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rs-list mailing list submissions to<BR> &nb=
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ease edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents=
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=A0frers-list digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's
=A0Topics:<BR><BR> 1. ECSA class rating (Edgar Smith)<=
BR> &n=3D
bsp; 2. Re: ECSA class rating (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR> 3. Re: EC=
SA =3D
class rating (William Thompson)<BR> 4. Re: ECSA class rating=
(S=3D
cott Marino)<BR><BR>-- __--__-- <BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>From: =
Edgar Smith &=3D
lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com><BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47=
-0=3D
500<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA =
class =3D
rating<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR><BR>--A=
pple-Mail-2-=3D
-688990298<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>Content-=
Type: =3D
text/plain;<BR> charset=
=3D3Dus=3D
-ascii<BR><BR>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats =
at the=3D
ir next =3D3D<BR>meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fa=
irly =3D
routine =3D3D<BR>review of boats/classes that have done well in the prev=
ious =3D
season, but =3D3D<BR>the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of=
up t=3D
o
=A03 seconds/mile =3D3D<BR>for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is=
fairly=3D
=A0rated in Eastern =3D3D<BR>Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go=
to the=3D
=A0meeting to present =3D3D<BR>evidence to support this and insure we do=
n't get=3D
=A0an unwarranted negative =3D3D<BR>rating adjustment.=3D3D20<BR><=
BR>The Frers 33=3D
=A0has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats =3D3D<BR>i=
n our d=3D
ivision who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D3D<BR=
>the =3D
Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D3D&l=
t;BR>=3D
I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D3=
D<=3D
BR>doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds=
=3D
=A0=3D3D<BR>for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116.=
In ove=3D
rall =3D3D<BR>standings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats =
racin=3D
g 2 or =3D3D<BR>more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compare=
s wit=3D
h other =3D3D<BR>competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27=
with=3D
=A0an average
=A0=3D3D<BR>finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32=
-2 with=3D
=A0and =3D3D<BR>average finish of 57th.=3D3D20<BR><BR>I'm also wor=
king on a graph=3D
=A0of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3D<BR>two previous two =
years i=3D
n our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for =3D3D<BR>the Branford s=
ummer=3D
=A0series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D3D<BR>separatin=
g out a=3D
ll other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D3D<BR>Frac vs=
the =3D
Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At =3D3D<BR>fi=
rst l=3D
ook, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D3D<BR>=
nearl=3D
y 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D3D<=
;BR>w=3D
ere commensurate. (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D3=
D<=3D
BR>little tougher)<BR><BR>I'd like to collect other supporting data s=
uch as=3D
=A0IRC ratings, PHRF =3D3D<BR>ratings in other regions and any other ide=
as for =3D
presenting our case =3D3D<BR>from the fleet.=3D3D20<BR><BR>Edgar
=A0Smith<BR>Pachyderm=3D3D<BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-2--688990298<BR>=
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=A0">The =3D3D<BR>ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats =
at thei=3D
r next meeting =3D3D<BR>on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fai=
rly r=3D
outine review of =3D3D<BR>boats/classes that have done well in the previ=
ous s=3D
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up to=3D
=A03 seconds/mile for the =3D3D<BR>class.&nbsp;I believe that the Fr=
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and i=3D
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11, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well =3D3D<BR>distributed across the gr=
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r boat =3D
type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D<BR>overall result=
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2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =3D3D<BR>boats in the =
class=3D
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52nd,=3D
&nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with =
=3D
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lt;BR><BR>Message: 2=3D
<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBE=
RT &am=3D
p;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rat=
ing=3D
<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.=3D
com<BR><BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309<BR>Conten=
t-Type: tex=3D
t/plain; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-pri=
ntabl=3D
e<BR><BR>Edgar,<BR>=3D3DA0<BR>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the =
Frers 33 at 11=3D
4 which is a
=A0difficult ratin=3D3D<BR>g to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sail th=
e=3D3DA0hec=3D
k out of that boat and the =3D3D<BR>crew work is impeccable.<BR>=3D3D=
A0=3D3D20<BR=3D
>=3D3DA0<BR>Thanks,<BR>Frank Albert<BR>RELENTLESS<BR><BR>---=
On Tue, 11/20/12=3D
, Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:<BR><B=
R><BR>=3D
From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com><BR>Subject:=
[f=3D
rers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Da=
te: Tu=3D
esday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM<BR><BR><BR><BR>The ECSA is r=
eviewing the=3D
=A0ratings of a number of boats at their next meetin=3D3D<BR>g on Januar=
y 22, 2=3D
013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of boa=3D3D<BR>ts/cla=
sses =3D
that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=3D3D<BR=
>omet=3D
imes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3DA0I=
=3D
=3D3D<BR> believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long=
Isla=3D
nd Sound at =3D3D<BR>108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to pres=
ent evi=3D
dence to support
=A0this=3D3D<BR> and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative ra=
ting ad=3D
justment.=3D3DA0=3D3D20<BR><BR><BR>The Frers 33 has done well in t=
he results, b=3D
ut if you look at the boats in =3D3D<BR>our division who raced more than=
2 or=3D
=A0more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Fr=3D3D<BR>ers 33s are well distri=
buted a=3D
cross the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I think=3D3D<BR> this sho=
ws main=3D
ly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more =3D3D<BR>race=
s tha=3D
n any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D<=
BR>ov=3D
erall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
=3D
=3D3D<BR>in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more race=
s, ex=3D
actly i=3D3D<BR>n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competit=
ive b=3D
oats with bett=3D3D<BR>er averages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an averag=
e finis=3D
h 52nd,=3D3DA0the Tripp 36 =3D3D<BR>average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evely=
n 32-2 wi=3D
th and average finish of 57th.=3D3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR>I'm also w=
orking on a gr=3D
aph of two years of races in
=A0Pachyderm vs. the two =3D3D<BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi =
using t=3D
he recorded results for the Br=3D3D<BR>anford summer series. I think thi=
s sho=3D
uld be an objective way of separating=3D3D<BR> out all other factor=
s to =3D
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the F=3D3D<BR>rers 33. The J=
-29 f=3D
ractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=3D3D<BR>hink I =
can s=3D
how that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in e=3D3D<BR>=
ach b=3D
oat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =3D3DA0(=
=3D3D=3D
<BR>In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)<BR>=
<BR><B=3D
R><BR><BR>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratin=
gs, PH=3D
RF ratings=3D3D<BR> in other regions and any other ideas for presen=
ting =3D
our case from the flee=3D3D<BR>t.=3D3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR><=
BR><BR><BR>Edgar Smith=3D
<BR>Pachyderm<BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309<BR>=
Content-Typ=3D
e: text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding:
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le=3D3D3D"font: inherit;">&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;/DIV><BR>&a=
mp;lt=3D
;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>PHRF of the Chesape=
ake=3D
=A0rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult =3D3D<BR>rating to sai=
l to.&a=3D
mp;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;heck out of that bo=3D3D<BR>=
at an=3D
d the crew work is impeccable.&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nb=
sp;=3D
=A0&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&=
amp;lt;D=3D
IV>Thanks,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;/DIV=
>=3D
;<BR>&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--- On &lt=
;B&=3D
gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;I>&lt;edgar@ge=3D3D<BR>omat=
rixpr=3D
oductions.com&gt;&lt;/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;BR>&=
=3D
lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,25=
5) 2p=3D
x solid;
=A0PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: =
Edgar S=3D
mith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.=3D3D<BR>com&gt;&lt;BR&g=
t;Sub=3D
ject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating&lt=
=3D
;BR>To: frers=3D3D<BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Tues=
day, =3D
November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt;BR>&lt;B=3D3D<BR>R><BR>&=
amp;lt;D=3D
IV id=3D3D3Dyiv249185265><BR>&lt;DIV>The ECSA is reviewing the=
rati=3D
ngs of a number of boats at their next m=3D3D<BR>eeting on January 22, 2=
013. =3D
I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=3D3D<BR>f boats/classes =
that =3D
have done well in the previous season, but the review =3D3D<BR>can somet=
imes =3D
result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=3D3D<BR>.&=
amp;n=3D
bsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=3D=
3D=3D
<BR>ound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present ev=
ide=3D
nce to s=3D3D<BR>upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted nega=
tive =3D
rating
=A0adjustme=3D3D<BR>nt.&nbsp;=3D3D20<BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR=
>&lt;=3D
/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, bu=
t i=3D
f you look at the boat=3D3D<BR>s in our division who raced more than 2 o=
r mor=3D
e races in 2011, (21 boats) t=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33s are well distributed =
acros=3D
s the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp=3D3D<BR>;I think this shows mai=
nly t=3D
hat there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=3D3D<BR>ng more races th=
an an=3D
y other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=3D3D<BR>he ECSA o=
veral=3D
l results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=3D3D<BR>s =
boats=3D
=A0in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=3D3D=
<BR>=3D
xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats w=
=3D
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e Evely=3D
n 32-2 with and average fi=3D3D<BR>nish of
=A057th.&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV&=
gt;&=3D
lt;BR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I'm also working on a graph =
of =3D
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ears =3D
in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for t=3D3D<BR>he Branford =
summe=3D
r series. I think this should be an objective way of separ=3D3D<BR>ating=
out =3D
all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =3D3D<B=
R>the=3D
=A0Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look=
=3D3D=3D
<BR>, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 3=
0 r=3D
aces=3D3D<BR> in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratin=
gs we=3D
re commensurate.=3D3D<BR> &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers=
33 r=3D
ating is a little tougher)&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR&=
gt;=3D
&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;=
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t;BR>=3D
tings in
=A0other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=3D3D&=
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lt;BR>Message: 3=3D
<BR>Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.=
com=3D
><BR>From: William Thompson &lt;foredeck@videotron.ca><BR>S=
ubject=3D
: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -=
050=3D
0<BR>To:
=A0"frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com>&=
lt;BR=3D
>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR><BR>--Boundary_(ID_=
tR3sjQBV9=3D
Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)<BR>Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII<BR>C=
ontent-t=3D
ransfer-encoding: 7BIT<BR><BR>I race at 114 in Montreal, with a keel =
shorte=3D
ned to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 180 lb over the original keel w=
=3D
eight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me =
=3D
3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assigned unmodified.<BR><B=
R>Will=3D
iam Thompson<BR>Sent from my iPad<BR><BR>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM=
, FRANCIS=3D
=A0ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>=
> Edgar,=3D
<BR>> <BR>> PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at =
114 wh=3D
ich is a difficult rating to sail to. I do okay but we sail the heck =
=3D
out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.<BR>> <BR>&=
gt; &n=3D
bsp;<BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Frank Albert<BR>> RELENTLESS<BR=
>>
=A0<BR>> --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixpro=
ducti=3D
ons.com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@g=
eomatr=3D
ixproductions.com><BR>> Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<=
BR>>=3D
; To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2=
012=3D
, 11:10 AM<BR>> <BR>> The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a nu=
mber o=3D
f boats at their next meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a =
=3D
fairly routine review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous =
=3D
season, but the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 sec=
=3D
onds/mile for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eas=
=3D
tern Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =
=3D
evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative ra=
=3D
ting adjustment. <BR>> <BR>> The Frers 33 has done well in the =
result=3D
s, but if you look at the boats in our division who raced more than
=A02 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well distributed a=
cr=3D
oss the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think this shows mainly that there are =
=3D
far more Frers 33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type in =
=3D
Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, =
=3D
75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats in the class average 58th among 11=
=3D
6 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compar=
=3D
es with other competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with =
=3D
an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 w=
=3D
ith and average finish of 57th. <BR>> <BR>> I'm also working on=
a gra=3D
ph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two previous two years in our=
=3D
=A0J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Branford summer series. I=
t=3D
hink this should be an objective way of separating out all other factors to=
=3D
=A0compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29
=A0fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I think I can show=
t=3D
hat our performance against others in nearly 30 races in each boat remained=
=3D
=A0unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. (In fact, if =
an=3D
ything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)<BR>> <BR>> I'd =
like t=3D
o collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other =
=3D
regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet. <BR>=
>=3D
; <BR>> Edgar Smith<BR>> Pachyderm<BR><BR>--Boundary_(ID_=
tR3sjQBV9Wic=3D
6t0+R9DkzQ)<BR>Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII<BR>Conte=
nt-trans=3D
fer-encoding: 7BIT<BR><BR>&lt;html>&lt;head>&lt;met=
a http=3D
-equiv=3D3D"content-type" content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dutf-8">&am=
p;lt;/=3D
head>&lt;body dir=3D3D"auto">&lt;div>I race at 114 in Mont=
re=3D
al, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 180 lb ov=
=3D
er the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. sai=
=3D
d
=A0they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assigned =
un=3D
modified.&lt;br>&lt;br>William Thompson&lt;div>Sent fr=
=3D
om my iPad&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br>On 2=
=3D
012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:fx=
al=3D
bert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net&lt;/a>&gt; wrote:&=
=3D
lt;br>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;blockquote type=3D3D"cite"&g=
t;=3D
&lt;div>&lt;table cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=
=3D3D"=3D
0">&lt;tbody>&lt;tr>&lt;td valign=3D3D"top" style=3D3D=
"fon=3D
t: inherit;">&lt;div>Edgar,&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>=
&am=3D
p;nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates t=
he =3D
Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.&nbsp; I do okay=
=3D
=A0but we sail the&nbsp;heck out of that boat and the crew work is impe=
cc=3D
able.&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&nbsp;
=A0&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&=
amp;lt;d=3D
iv>Thanks,&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>Frank Albert&lt;/div=
>=3D
;<BR>&lt;div>RELENTLESS&lt;br>&lt;br>--- On &lt=
;b&=3D
gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;i>&lt;&lt;a href=3D3D"mail=
to=3D
:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&lt;/=
=3D
a>&gt;&lt;/i>&lt;/b> wrote:&lt;br>&lt;/div&=
=3D
gt;<BR>&lt;blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px sol=
id; P=3D
ADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;br>From: Edgar Smith &=
=3D
;lt;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geo=
ma=3D
trixproductions.com&lt;/a>&gt;&lt;br>Subject: [&lt;sp=
=3D
an>frers&lt;/span>-list]ECSA class rating&lt;br>To: &l=
=3D
t;a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frer=
s3=3D
3.com&lt;/a>&lt;br>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10
=A0AM&lt;br>&lt;br><BR>&lt;div id=3D3D"yiv249185265"&g=
t;<BR>&=3D
amp;lt;div>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at the=
=3D
ir next meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine=
=3D
=A0review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but =
th=3D
e review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for =
=3D
the class.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =
=3D
Long Island Sound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to pres=
=3D
ent evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negativ=
=3D
e rating adjustment.&nbsp; <BR>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;=
/di=3D
v><BR>&lt;div>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but i=
f y=3D
ou look at the boats in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in=
=3D
=A02011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, =
2,=3D
=A06, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far
=A0more Frers 33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type in D=
iv=3D
=A01. The same story holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 7=
5,=3D
=A0108, 116. In overall standings boats in the class average 58th among 116=
b=3D
oats racing 2 or more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares =
=3D
with other competitive boats with better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27=
=3D
=A0with an average finish 52nd,&nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&=
am=3D
p;nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/d=
=3D
iv><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/di=
v><=3D
BR>&lt;div>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pach=
=3D
yderm vs. the two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded =
=3D
results for the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective=
=3D
=A0way of separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the th=
e =3D
J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under
=A0review. At first look, I think I can show that our performance against o=
th=3D
ers in nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the rati=
=3D
ngs were commensurate. &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating =
=3D
is a little tougher)&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&lt;br>&am=
p;l=3D
t;/div><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div>=
;I'd like=3D
=A0to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in ot=
he=3D
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From: Sco=3D
tt Marino &lt;scottamarino@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list=
]EC=3D
SA class rating<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list=
@li=3D
sts.frers33.com><BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><=
BR>---375=3D
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on't
=A0sail here, it's worse...=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A____________________=
__________=3D
__=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net>=
=3D3D0ATo:=3D
=A0frers-list@lists.frers=3D3D<BR>33.com =3D3D0ASent: Tuesday, November =
20, 2012 =3D
5:15 PM=3D3D0ASubject: Re: [frers-li=3D3D<BR>st]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A=
=3D3D0AEdga=3D
r,=3D3D0A=3D3D0APHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frer=3D3D<BR>s 33 at 11=
4 which i=3D
s a difficult rating to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sai=3D3D<BR>l t=
he=3D3DA0=3D
heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D3D0A=3D3DA0 =3D3D0=
A=3D3D0A=3D
=3D3D<BR>Thanks,=3D3D0AFrank Albert=3D3D0ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12=
, Edgar S=3D
mith &lt;edgar=3D3D<BR>@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:=3D3D0A=
=3D3D0A>=3D
From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixp=3D3D<BR>roductions.com>=3D=
3D0A>=3D
;Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A>To: frers-list=3D3D<BR=
>@lists=3D
.frers33.com=3D3D0A>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D3D0A>=
;=3D3D=3D
0A>=3D3D0A=3D3D<BR>>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number =
of boat=3D
s at their next meeti=3D3D<BR>ng on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this
=A0is a fairly routine review of bo=3D3D<BR>ats/classes that have done w=
ell in =3D
the previous season, but the review can =3D3D<BR>sometimes result in an =
adjus=3D
tment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3DA0=3D3D<BR>I believe th=
at the =3D
Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at=3D3D<BR> 1=
08/12=3D
9 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support thi=3D=
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R>s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3D=
A0=3D
=A0=3D3D0A=3D3D<BR>>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if=
you look=3D
=A0at the boats in=3D3D<BR> our division who raced more than 2 or m=
ore rac=3D
es in 2011, (21 boats) the F=3D3D<BR>rers 33s are well distributed acros=
s the=3D
=A0group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I thin=3D3D<BR>k this shows mainly th=
at there =3D
are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more=3D3D<BR> races than an=
y oth=3D
er boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA=3D3D<BR> o=
veral=3D
l results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats=3D3D&l=
t;BR>=3D
in the class average
=A058th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly =3D3D<BR>in the =
50th pe=3D
rcentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bet=3D3D<BR>te=
r ave=3D
rages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3D3DA0the Tripp 3=
6=3D3D=3D
<BR> average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=
nish =3D
of 57th.=3D3DA0=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0A>I'm also working on a graph of two ye=
ars of ra=3D
ces in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3D<BR>two previous two years in our J-29 Was=
abi u=3D
sing the recorded results for th=3D3D<BR>e Branford summer series. I thi=
nk th=3D
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rs to=3D
=A0compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33. Th=
e J-29 =3D
fractional rating is not under review. At first look,=3D3D<BR> I th=
ink I=3D
=A0can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races =3D3D<=
;BR>in =3D
each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =3D=
3D=3D
<BR>=3D3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher=
)=3D3D0=3D
A>I'd li=3D3D<BR>ke to collect
=A0other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in ot=3D3D<BR=
>her re=3D
gions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet.=3D3DA0=3D=
3D<B=3D
R>=3D3D0A>Edgar Smith=3D3D0A>Pachyderm <BR>---375072337-321145529-=
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lt;/B> FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;&lt;BR>=
=3D
&lt;B>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D<BR>=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To=
:&l=3D
t;/SPAN>&lt;/B> frers-list@lists.frers33.com &lt;BR>&l=
=3D
t;B>&lt;=3D3D<BR>SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:&am=
p;lt;/S=3D
PAN>&lt;/B> Tuesday, November 20, 201=3D3D<BR>2 5:15 PM&lt=
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t;&lt;B>&lt;SPAN
=A0style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B&g=
t; R=3D
e: [=3D3D<BR>frers-list]ECSA class rating&lt;BR>&lt;/FONT>=
&=3D
lt;/DIV>&lt;WBR><BR>&lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804><B=
R>&l=3D
t;TABLE border=3D3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D3D0 cellPadding=3D3D3D0><BR>&a=
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DY><BR>&lt;TR><BR>&lt;TD vAlign=3D3D3Dtop><BR>&am=
p;lt;DIV>=3D
;Edgar,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><=
BR>&am=3D
p;lt;DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a dif=
=3D
ficult =3D3D<BR>rating to sail to.&nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&a=
mp;nb=3D
sp;heck out of that bo=3D3D<BR>at and the crew work is impeccable.&l=
t;/DI=3D
V><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp; &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>=
;&=3D
nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Thanks,&lt;/DIV><BR>&a=
mp;lt;=3D
DIV>Frank Albert&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt;=
WBR=3D
>&lt;WBR>--- On &lt;B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith
=A0&lt;I>&lt;edgar@=3D3D<BR>geomatrixproductions.com&gt;&=
amp;lt;=3D
/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;BL=
OCK=3D
QUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
=3D3D<=3D
BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@g=
=3D
eomatrixproductions.=3D3D<BR>com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: [&lt;=
SPAN&=3D
gt;frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating&lt;BR>To: frers=3D3=
D<=3D
BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1=
=3D
1:10 AM&lt;BR>&lt;B=3D3D<BR>R><BR>&lt;DIV id=3D3D3D=
yiv9896088=3D
04><BR>&lt;DIV>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number o=
f b=3D
oats at their next m=3D3D<BR>eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that t=
his i=3D
s a fairly routine review o=3D3D<BR>f boats/classes that have done well =
in th=3D
e previous season, but the review =3D3D<BR>can sometimes result in an ad=
justm=3D
ent of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=3D3D<BR>.&nbsp;I believe t=
hat t=3D
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=A0fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=3D3D<BR>ound at 108/129 and&=
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lan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=3D3D<BR>upport this an=
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;=3D3D20<BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt=
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<B=3D
R>s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats)=
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9, 13,=3D
=A021.&nbsp=3D3D<BR>;I think this shows mainly that there are far mo=
re Frer=3D
s 33s racing and doi=3D3D<BR>ng more races than any other boat type in D=
iv 1.=3D
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41, 47,=3D
=A075, 108, 116. In overall standing=3D3D<BR>s boats in the class averag=
e 58th =3D
among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=3D3D<BR>xactly in the 50th per=
centi=3D
le. This compares with other competitive boats w=3D3D<BR>ith better aver=
ages =3D
such as
=A0the&nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&nbsp=3D3D<BR>;the =
Tripp 3=3D
6 average finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=3D3D<=
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ish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;=
DIV>=3D
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s two=3D
=A0years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for t=3D3D<BR>he =
Branfor=3D
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R>ati=3D
ng out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =3D=
3D=3D
<BR>the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At fir=
st =3D
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near=3D
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e rat=3D
ings were commensurate.=3D3D<BR> &nbsp;(In fact, if anything th=
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V>=3D
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>I actually contaced US Sailing. Th=
ey said they could not get involved in local PHRF matters. They made =
some comment that local PHRF communities did not want US Sailing butting in=
to their business and US Sailing was concerned enough to tell me they were =
sorry but I was on my own.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The really sad part was that after all my research, all the data I pro=
vided all it took was a call from the sail maker to a friend on the PHRF co=
mmittee. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have said for a long long time sailing is the ONLY sport were we han=
dicap the equipment and not the people. In every other sport where we=
have handicaps we handicap the people and that works well. Can you i=
magine buying golf clubs were they would tell you these clubs have a handic=
ap of 20 you should be able to hit par pluse 20 with these clubs.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Or bowling where you'd by a ball and they would tell you this is a 250=
ball so your handicap will be 50. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We have the computing power now to handicap each boat after each race =
and adjust that handicap so everyone ties. Each new race would adjust=
your handicap accordingly and eventually we would really have some tight r=
acing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>That's the way they do it in every bowling league. You go out to=
your first game and bowl and whatever you get they add enough to give you =
a 300 score and whatever they add that's your handicap. As you bowl y=
our handicap changes and is adjusted so eventually everyone is pretty equal=
. Imagine how many racers we would have when a Catalina 25 could pote=
ntially beat a Melges 24.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And with that, an end to the endless better, newer, faster, arms =
race of kevlar/mylar/carbon sails, carbon fiber spinnaker poles and masts.&=
nbsp; Less expensive boats, more boat owners. It would be fun.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Wed, 11/21/12, fwitt1@comcast.net <I><fwitt1@comc=
ast.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: fwitt1@comcast.net <fwitt1@comcast.net&g=
t;<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #597 - 1 msg<BR>To:=
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 1:12 P=
M<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv830521969>
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<DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
<DIV>Regarding your local PHRF experience. You have a right to appeal the l=
ocal councils decision to US PHRF which is a part of US Sailing. You h=
ave the right to present your numbers and also to plead your case via confe=
rence call. In those cases the conference call includes the US PHRF re=
p, your local council rep and you. Prior to the call, you must submit =
race results, etc etc. We have had a few of these cases and our local counc=
il was much more magnanimous with regard to showing racers the way to =
appeal. If the local council rep will not help, contact US Sailing you=
r self and ask for the procedure. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>FW <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>
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<DIV><B>From: </B>frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>To: </B>frers-=
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sgs (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Wed, 21 N=
ov 2012 08:30:05 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodi=
gy.net><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - =
4 msgs<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.com<BR><BR>---1654260983-998698336-1353515405=3D:9309<BR>Content-Type=
: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-pri=
ntable<BR><BR>The message from our friend in the mid-west was a nice messag=
e.=3DA0 Let me t=3D<BR>ell you my tale.<BR>=3DA0<BR>I owned a CS 30 (not a =
fast boat).=3DA0 I had a PHRF of 149.=3DA0 Lowest in the=3D<BR> nation=
.=3DA0 I sent a letter to PHRF of the Chesapeake (yes I am naming name=3D<B=
R>s).=3DA0 The letter had an endorsement from the local UK Sail maker who h=
ad s=3D<BR>ailed with us a number of times.=3DA0 It also had results from a=
years worth
=3D<BR>of racing both.=3DA0 Mark racing and point to point long races.=3DA=
0 It showed =3D<BR>the various handicaps around the country.=3DA0 I asked f=
or a 9 second increas=3D<BR>e to my PHRF.=3DA0 I was denied.=3DA0 I called =
my PHRF rep.=3DA0 We talked, he to=3D<BR>ld me if I wasn't buying all new s=
ails every year I had no business racing.=3D<BR>=3DA0 I hung up.=3DA0=3D20<=
BR>=3DA0<BR>I called my sail maker and told him I'd been refused.=3DA0 He s=
aid he would t=3D<BR>alk to them.=3DA0 The next day I had 6 seconds added t=
o my PHRF.=3DA0 A sad, sa=3D<BR>d story about PHRF of the Chesapeake.<BR>=
=3DA0<BR>Frank Albert<BR><BR>--- On Wed, 11/21/12, fwitt1@comcast.net &=
lt;fwitt1@comcast.net> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: fwitt1@comcast.net &l=
t;fwitt1@comcast.net><BR>Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol=
1 #595 - 4 msgs<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, No=
vember 21, 2012, 12:32 AM<BR><BR><BR><BR>#yiv1543362934 p {margin:0;}<BR><B=
R><BR><BR>Edgar,<BR>=3DA0<BR>I am on
the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representing my clu=3D<BR>=
b amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet during the o=
=3D<BR>ff season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon=
altera=3D<BR>tions to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So ther=
e are a few ti=3D<BR>ps I can provide to present to your local PHRF council=
.=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>First of all, supplying individual race results is the s=
ingle most importan=3D<BR>t thing you can do to support your case. Find out=
from the local council ju=3D<BR>st how thay want that information presente=
d. Our council has a excel spread=3D<BR> sheet format, along with the =
Excel program that they will provide for appe=3D<BR>llants.=3D20<BR>=3DA0<B=
R>Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the fleet skip=
pe=3D<BR>rs to present your case in person. The fact that you are "buttoned=
up" with=3D<BR> numbers and appear in person=3DA0is important.=3D20<B=
R>=3DA0<BR>Third, realize
that most councils have a philosophy r protecting the fleet.=3D<BR> C=
ouncils usually have a few boats that they have a lot of history on, and =
=3D<BR>whose performance is a known factor. They use these boats to judge y=
our per=3D<BR>formance rating. In our council, one=3DA0such boats is the J =
35. Any time you=3D<BR> get to compare your results against the J 35, =
assuming it supports your ca=3D<BR>se, should be highlighted.=3D20<BR>=3DA0=
<BR>Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for your rating, par=
tly =3D<BR>because local councils don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ra=
tings. Some=3D<BR>times this reflects a parochial attitude about their coun=
cil, and other tim=3D<BR>es because=3DA0there are significant differences b=
etween San Francisco as it =3D<BR>is=3DA0known as a high wind venue, and Sa=
n=3DA0Diego as a less windy. Long Isla=3D<BR>nd is known-at least in my cou=
ncil-as a light wind area. Another issue is c=3D<BR>omparing salt water rat=
ings vs fresh water. Your
boats float higher and the=3D<BR>refore have somewhat less wetted area tha=
n freshwater=3DA0boats.=3DA0Another th=3D<BR>ing you may want to research f=
or the meeting is the ratings of similar boat=3D<BR>s under the IMS ratings=
. Although they don't like to admit it, the technica=3D<BR>l sub committee =
of the councils will often look at comparisons of these rat=3D<BR>ings comp=
ared to similar boats (like the J 35) to determine if your rating =3D<BR>ap=
pears to be in line.=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>Let me know if I can be of further as=
sistance. By the way, my rating is 108=3D<BR>, which was adjusted downward=
=3DA0 before I purchased my boat, from a 114.<BR>=3DA0<BR>Your secret pal i=
n the Midwest.<BR>=3DA0<BR>FW<BR>=3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR>From: frers-list-requ=
est@lists.frers33.com<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Sent: Tuesday,=
November 20, 2012 9:21:03 PM<BR>Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4=
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an "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR=
>=3DA0=3DA0 1. ECSA class rating (Edgar Smith)<BR>=3DA0=3DA0 2. Re: ECSA cl=
ass rating (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR>=3DA0=3DA0 3. Re: ECSA class rating (William=
Thompson)<BR>=3DA0=3DA0 4. Re: ECSA class rating (Scott Marino)<BR><BR>-- =
__--__-- <BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixpro=
ductions.com><BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0500<BR>To:
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>=
Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-2--688990298=
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;<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0charset=3D3Dus-ascii<BR><BR>Th=
e ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next =3D3D<BR=
>meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine =3D3D<=
BR>review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but =
=3D3D<BR>the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 second=
s/mile =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly=
rated in Eastern =3D3D<BR>Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to t=
he meeting to present =3D3D<BR>evidence to support this and insure we don't=
get an unwarranted negative =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>rating adjustment.=3D3D20<BR><=
BR>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats =
=3D3D<BR>in our division who
raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D3D<BR>the Frers 33s=
are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D3D<BR>I think=
this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D3D<BR>do=
ing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds =3D<=
BR>=3D3D<BR>for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In=
overall =3D3D<BR>standings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats=
racing 2 or =3D3D<BR>more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This comp=
ares with other =3D3D<BR>competitive boats with better averages such as the=
J-27 with an average =3D3D<BR>finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55t=
h, the Evelyn 32-2 with and =3D3D<BR>average finish of 57th.=3D3D20<BR><BR>=
I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3=
D<BR>two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results f=
or =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>the Branford summer series. I think this should be an ob=
jective way of
=3D3D<BR>separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the th=
e J-29 =3D3D<BR>Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not und=
er review. At =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>first look, I think I can show that our perfo=
rmance against others in =3D3D<BR>nearly 30 races in each boat remained unc=
hanged, suggesting the ratings =3D3D<BR>were commensurate. =3DA0(In fact, i=
f anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D3D<BR>little tougher)<BR><BR>I'd lik=
e to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF =3D3D<BR>ratin=
gs in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =3D3D<BR>fr=
om the fleet.=3D3D20<BR><BR>Edgar Smith<BR>Pachyderm=3D3D<BR><BR>--Apple-Ma=
il-2--688990298<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>Content-T=
ype: text/html;<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0charset=3D3Dus-a=
scii<BR><BR>&lt;html>&lt;head>&lt;/head>&lt;body s=
tyle=3D3D3D"word-wrap: break-word; =3D3D<BR>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webk=
it-line-break: after-white-space;
">The =3D3D<BR>ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at th=
eir next meeting =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is=
a fairly routine review of =3D3D<BR>boats/classes that have done well in t=
he previous season, but the review =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>can sometimes result in =
an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the =3D3D<BR>class.&nbsp;I be=
lieve that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long =3D3D<BR>Island Sou=
nd at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present =3D3D<BR>ev=
idence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =3D<=
BR>=3D3D<BR>rating adjustment.&nbsp;&lt;div>&lt;br>&l=
t;/div>&lt;div>The Frers 33 has do=3D<BR>ne well =3D3D<BR>in the =
results, but if you look at the boats in our division who raced =3D3D<BR>mo=
re than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well =3D3D<BR=
>distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp;I think this sho=
ws =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>mainly
that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more races =3D3D<BR>tha=
n any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D<BR>=
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =3D3D<=
BR>boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, =
=3D3D<BR>exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competiti=
ve =3D3D<BR>boats with better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an av=
erage finish =3D3D<BR>52nd,&nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&=
nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with =3D3D<BR>and average finish of 57th.&nbsp;&am=
p;lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&a=
mp;=3D<BR>lt;div>I'm also =3D3D<BR>working on a graph of two years of ra=
ces in Pachyderm vs. the two =3D3D<BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi=
using the recorded results for the =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>Branford summer series.=
I think this should be an objective way of =3D3D<BR>separating out all oth=
er factors to
compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D3D<BR>Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-2=
9 fractional rating is not under review. At =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>first look, I t=
hink I can show that our performance against others in =3D3D<BR>nearly 30 r=
aces in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D3D<BR>were =
commensurate. &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D3=
D<BR>little tougher)&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/d=
iv>&lt;div>&lt;div>&lt;div>I'd=3D<BR> like to =
collect =3D3D<BR>other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in=
other regions =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>and any other ideas for presenting our case =
from the =3D3D<BR>fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br=
>&lt;div>&lt;div><BR>&lt;span class=3D3D3D"Apple-style=
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=3D3D<BR>Smith&lt;/div>&lt;div>Pachyderm&lt;/div>&=
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t;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/body>=
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-__-- <BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)<BR>=
From: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net><BR>Subject: Re: [frer=
s-list]ECSA class rating<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: f=
rers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:=
24309<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transf=
er-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Edgar,<BR>=3D3DA0<BR>PHRF of the Chesa=
peake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult ratin=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>g=
to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sail the=3D3DA0heck out of that boat a=
nd =3D<BR>the
=3D3D<BR>crew work is impeccable.<BR>=3D3DA0=3D3D20<BR>=3D3DA0<BR>Thanks,<=
BR>Frank Albert<BR>RELENTLESS<BR><BR>--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &=
;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote=3D<BR>:<BR><BR><BR>From: Edgar=
Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com><BR>Subject: [frers-list]E=
CSA class rating<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, Nove=
mber 20, 2012, 11:10 AM<BR><BR><BR><BR>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of=
a number of boats at their next meetin=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>g on January 22, 201=
3. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of boa=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ts/c=
lasses that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=3D<=
BR>=3D3D<BR>ometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for th=
e class.=3D3DA=3D<BR>0I=3D3D<BR>=3DA0believe that the Frers 33 is fairly ra=
ted in Eastern Long Island Sound a=3D<BR>t =3D3D<BR>108/129 and=3D3DA0plan =
to go to the meeting to present evidence to support th=3D<BR>is=3D3D<BR>=3D=
A0and insure we don't get an
unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3DA0=3D<BR>=3D3D20<BR><BR><BR>Th=
e Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in =
=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (=
21 boats) the Fr=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ers 33s are well distributed across the gro=
up 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I thi=3D<BR>nk=3D3D<BR>=3DA0this shows mainly =
that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing mor=3D<BR>e =3D3D<BR>rac=
es than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D=
<BR>=3D3D<BR>overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall sta=
ndings boats =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>in the class average 58th among 116 boats raci=
ng 2 or more races, exactly i=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>n the 50th percentile. This co=
mpares with other competitive boats with bett=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>er averages su=
ch as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3D3DA0the Tripp=3D<BR>&nb=
sp;36 =3D3D<BR>average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average =
finish of 57th.=3D<BR>=3D3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR>I'm
also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =3D=
<BR>=3D3D<BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded resul=
ts for the Br=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>anford summer series. I think this should be a=
n objective way of separating=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0out all other factors to =
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the=3D<BR> F=3D3D<BR>rers =
33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=3D<B=
R>=3D3D<BR>hink I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30=
races in e=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ach boat remained unchanged, suggesting the rati=
ngs were commensurate. =3D3DA=3D<BR>0(=3D3D<BR>In fact, if anything the Fre=
rs 33 rating is a little tougher)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I'd like to collect ot=
her supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0i=
n other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fl=3D<=
BR>ee=3D3D<BR>t.=3D3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Edgar
Smith<BR>Pachyderm<BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309<BR>Con=
tent-Type: text/html; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: =
quoted-printable<BR><BR>&lt;table cellspacing=3D3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3=
D3D"0" border=3D3D3D"0" >&lt;tr>&l=3D<BR>t;td valign=3D3D3D"=
=3D3D<BR>top" style=3D3D3D"font: inherit;">&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;=
/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>PHR=
F of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=3D<BR>lt =
=3D3D<BR>rating to sail to.&nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;he=
ck out of that bo=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>at and the crew work is impeccable.&lt=
;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp; &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&=
amp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Thanks,&lt;/DIV><BR>&=
;lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt=
;BR>&lt;BR>--- On &lt;B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith
&lt=3D<BR>;I>&lt;edgar@ge=3D3D<BR>omatrixproductions.com&gt=
;&lt;/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;BR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&=
lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-L=
E=3D<BR>FT: 5=3D3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: Edgar Sm=
ith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductio=3D<BR>ns.=3D3D<BR>com&gt;&lt;B=
R>Subject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class ratin=
g&lt;=3D<BR>BR>To: frers=3D3D<BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR&g=
t;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt=3D<BR>;BR>&lt;B=
=3D3D<BR>R><BR>&lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv249185265><BR>&lt;DIV>T=
he ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=3D<BR>t =
m=3D3D<BR>eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routin=
e review o=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>f boats/classes that have done well in the previo=
us season, but the review =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>can sometimes result in an adjust=
ment of up to 3 seconds/mile
for the class=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fai=
rly rated in Eastern Long Island S=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ound at 108/129 and&n=
bsp;plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>uppor=
t this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=3D<B=
R>=3D3D<BR>nt.&nbsp;=3D3D20<BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR>&lt;/DI=
V><BR>&lt;DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if y=
ou look at the b=3D<BR>oat=3D3D<BR>s in our division who raced more than 2 =
or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33s are well di=
stributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>;I t=
hink this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=3D<=
BR>=3D3D<BR>ng more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story=
holds for t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 1=
08, 116. In overall standing=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>s boats in the class average 58=
th among 116 boats racing 2 or more
races, e=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with =
other competitive boats w=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ith better averages such as the&am=
p;nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>;the Tripp=
36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=3D<BR=
>=3D3D<BR>nish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&am=
p;lt;DIV>&lt;BR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I'm also worki=
ng on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =3D<BR>the=3D3D<BR>=3D=
A0two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for=
=3D<BR> t=3D3D<BR>he Branford summer series. I think this should be an=
objective way of separ=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ating out all other factors to compa=
re the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>the Frers 33. The J-=
29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>, I =
think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=3D<=
BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0in each boat remained
unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurat=3D<BR>e.=3D3D<BR>=3DA0&=
amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&=
;lt;=3D<BR>/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&am=
p;lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I'd like to collect other=
supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=3D<BR> ra=3D3D<BR>tings in =
other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=3D<BR>=
=3D3D<BR>=3DA0fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR=
><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"WIDOWS:=
2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0=3D<BR>px; BORD=3D3D<BR>ER-COLLAPSE=
: separate; FONT: medium Verdana; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: =3D<BR>=3D3=
D<BR>2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=
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=3D3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS:=3D<BR> 2; T=3D3D<BR>EXT-TRANSFORM=
: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal;
TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPS=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>E: separate; WHITE-SPACE: =
normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>: rgb(0,0,=
0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D3Dyiv249185265Apple-style-span><BR>&=
;lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"LI=
NE-HEIGHT: =3D<BR>normal; WI=3D3D<BR>DOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VA=
RIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORD=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ER-COLLAPSE: separate;=
WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: nor=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>mal; C=
OLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D3Dyiv249185265Apple-styl=3D<=
BR>e-=3D3D<BR>span><BR>&lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word"&g=
t;&lt;FONT class=3D3D3Dyiv249185265Ap=3D<BR>ple-style-=3D3D<BR>span fac=
e=3D3D3DArial><BR>&lt;DIV>Edgar
Smith&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Pachyderm&lt;/DIV>&lt;/=
FONT>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&=
amp;=3D<BR>lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/D=3D3D<BR>I=
V>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&l=
t;/DIV>&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE>&lt;/td>&lt=3D<BR>;/tr>&=
lt;/table><BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309--<BR><BR>-- =
__--__-- <BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;f=
rers-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>From: William Thompson &lt;foredeck@=
videotron.ca><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>Date: Tue=
, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -0500<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;=
frers-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=
BR><BR><BR>--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)<BR>Content-type: text/pla=
in; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII<BR>Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT<BR><BR>I race a=
t
114 in Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making =3D<BR>an=
additional 180 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley =
=3D<BR>Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the =
111 the=3D<BR>y would have assigned unmodified.<BR><BR>William Thompson<BR>=
Sent from my iPad<BR><BR>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;=
fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:<BR><BR>>=3D20<BR>> Edgar,<BR>> =3D=
A0<BR>> PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a diff=
icult rat=3D<BR>ing to sail to. =3DA0I do okay but we sail the heck out of =
that boat and the =3D<BR>crew work is impeccable.<BR>> =3DA0<BR>> =3D=
A0<BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Frank Albert<BR>> RELENTLESS<BR>>=3D20<BR>=
> --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.c=
om> wro=3D<BR>te:<BR>>=3D20<BR>> From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@g=
eomatrixproductions.com><BR>> Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<=
BR>> To:
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:=
10 AM<BR>>=3D20<BR>> The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of=
boats at their next meet=3D<BR>ing on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this=
is a fairly routine review of b=3D<BR>oats/classes that have done well in =
the previous season, but the review can=3D<BR> sometimes result in an =
adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class. I=3D<BR> believe tha=
t the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at =3D<BR>108/1=
29 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support this a=3D<B=
R>nd insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D20<BR=
>>=3D20<BR>> The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you lo=
ok at the boats i=3D<BR>n our division who raced more than 2 or more races =
in 2011, (21 boats) the =3D<BR>Frers 33s are well distributed across the gr=
oup 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think=3D<BR> this shows mainly that there ar=
e far more Frers
33s racing and doing more =3D<BR>races than any other boat type in Div 1. =
The same story holds for the ECSA =3D<BR>overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, =
75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =3D<BR>in the class average 58th a=
mong 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=3D<BR>n the 50th percentil=
e. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=3D<BR>er averages s=
uch as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 aver=3D<BR>age fi=
nish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=3D20<BR>>=3D=
20<BR>> I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm v=
s. the tw=3D<BR>o previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded =
results for the =3D<BR>Branford summer series. I think this should be an ob=
jective way of separati=3D<BR>ng out all other factors to compare the ratin=
gs of the the J-29 Frac vs the=3D<BR> Frers 33. The J-29 fractional ra=
ting is not under review. At first look, I=3D<BR> think I can show tha=
t our performance
against others in nearly 30 races in=3D<BR> each boat remained unchan=
ged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =3D<BR>=3DA0(In fact, if any=
thing the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)<BR>>=3D20<BR>> I'd lik=
e to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratin=3D<BR>gs=
in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fl=
=3D<BR>eet.=3D20<BR>>=3D20<BR>> Edgar Smith<BR>> Pachyderm<BR><BR>=
--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)<BR>Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=
=3D3DUS-ASCII<BR>Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT<BR><BR>&lt;html>&am=
p;lt;head>&lt;meta http-equiv=3D3D"content-type" content=3D3D"text/h=
tml=3D<BR>; charset=3D3Dutf-8">&lt;/head>&lt;body dir=3D3D"au=
to">&lt;div>I race at 114 in=3D<BR> Montreal, with a keel sh=
ortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 18=3D<BR>0 lb over the orig=
inal keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Ass=3D<BR>oc. said th=
ey were giving me 3 sec. a
mile over the 111 they would have ass=3D<BR>igned unmodified.&lt;br>=
;&lt;br>William Thompson&lt;div>Sent from my iPad&lt=3D<B=
R>;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br>On 2012-11-20, at 5=
:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &lt=3D<BR>;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@p=
rodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net&lt;/a>&gt;=3D<BR> wrote=
:&lt;br>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;blockquote type=3D3D"c=
ite">&lt;div>&lt;tabl=3D<BR>e cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=
=3D3D"0" border=3D3D"0">&lt;tbody>&lt;tr>&lt;td =3D<BR=
>valign=3D3D"top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;">&lt;div>Edgar,&l=
t;/div><BR>&lt;div>&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>P=
HRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=3D<BR>lt=
rating to sail to.&nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;heck out o=
f that=3D<BR> boat and the crew work is
impeccable.&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&nbsp; &lt;/div><=
BR>&lt;div>&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>Thanks,&=
lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>Frank Albert&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div&g=
t;RELENTLESS&lt;br>&lt;br>--- On &lt;b>Tue, 11/20/12, =
Edgar Smith &lt=3D<BR>;i>&lt;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:edgar@ge=
omatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrix=3D<BR>productions.com&lt;/a&=
gt;&gt;&lt;/i>&lt;/b> wrote:&lt;br>&lt;/div>=
;<BR>&lt;blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; P=
ADDING-LEFT=3D<BR>: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;br>From: Edgar Smi=
th &lt;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:=3D<BR>edgar@geomatrixproductions.com=
">edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&lt;/a>&gt;&l=3D<BR>t;br&=
gt;Subject: [&lt;span>frers&lt;/span>-list]ECSA class rating&=
amp;lt;br>To: &l=3D<BR>t;a
href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33=
.c=3D<BR>om&lt;/a>&lt;br>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11=
:10 AM&lt;br>&lt;br><BR>&lt;div id=3D3D"yiv249185265">=
<BR>&lt;div>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats a=
t their nex=3D<BR>t meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fa=
irly routine revie=3D<BR>w of boats/classes that have done well in the prev=
ious season, but the revi=3D<BR>ew can sometimes result in an adjustment of=
up to 3 seconds/mile for the cl=3D<BR>ass.&nbsp;I believe that the Fre=
rs 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Islan=3D<BR>d Sound at 108/129 and&am=
p;nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present evidence t=3D<BR>o support this=
and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjus=3D<BR>tment.&=
amp;nbsp;=3D20<BR>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div><BR>&lt;=
div>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
=3D<BR>oats in our
division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats=3D<BR>) th=
e Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&n=
=3D<BR>bsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s raci=
ng and =3D<BR>doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same =
story holds fo=3D<BR>r the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, =
116. In overall stand=3D<BR>ings boats in the class average 58th among 116 =
boats racing 2 or more races=3D<BR>, exactly in the 50th percentile. This c=
ompares with other competitive boat=3D<BR>s with better averages such as th=
e&nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&n=3D<BR>bsp;the Tripp 36 a=
verage finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average=3D<BR> f=
inish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div&=
gt;&lt;br>&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>I'm also working on a g=
raph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =3D<BR>the two previous two yea=
rs in our
J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results fo=3D<BR>r the Branford summer seri=
es. I think this should be an objective way of se=3D<BR>parating out all ot=
her factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac =3D<BR>vs the Frers=
33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first l=3D<BR>ook, =
I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 ra=3D<B=
R>ces in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensu=
ra=3D<BR>te. &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a littl=
e tougher)&lt=3D<BR>;/div><BR>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/=
div><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div>I'd like to=
collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=3D<BR> rating=
s in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from =3D<BR>=
the fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&lt;br><BR>&a=
mp;lt;div><BR>&lt;div>&lt;span style=3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRA=
NSFORM: none;
TEXT-INDENT: 0px=3D<BR>; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Verdana; =
WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORP=3D<BR>HANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(=
0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" clas=3D<BR>s=3D3D"yiv249185265Apple-style-span"&=
gt;&lt;span style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; W=3D<BR>IDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRAN=
SFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BOR=3D<BR>DER-COLLAPSE=
: separate; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: no=3D<BR>rmal;=
COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D"yiv249185265Apple-styl=3D=
<BR>e-span"><BR>&lt;div style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt=
;span style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: norm=3D<BR>al; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: non=
e; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px=3D<BR>; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate=
; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACIN=3D<BR>G: normal; COLOR: rg=
b(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D"yiv249185265Apple=3D<BR>-style-span=
"><BR>&lt;div style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;font
class=3D3D"yiv249185265Apple=3D<BR>-style-span" face=3D3D"Arial"><BR>&a=
mp;lt;div>Edgar Smith&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>Pachyderm&lt=
;/div>&lt;/font>&lt;/div>&lt;/span>&lt;/div>=
&lt;/span>&=3D<BR>lt;/span>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&a=
mp;lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div&=
gt;&lt=3D<BR>;/div>&lt;/blockquote>&lt;/td>&lt;/tr=
>&lt;/tbody>&lt;/table>&lt;/div>&lt;/b=3D<BR>lo=
ckquote>&lt;/body>&lt;/html><BR><BR>--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQB=
V9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)--<BR><BR>-- __--__-- <BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Tue, 20 N=
ov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: Scott Marino &lt;scottamarino@yah=
oo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>To: "frers-list=
@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com><BR>Reply-To:
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>---375072337-321145529-1353467943=3D3D=
:8112<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transf=
er-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Don't sail here, it's worse...=3D3D0A=
=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A_________________________=3D<BR>_______=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0=
AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net>=3D3D0ATo: frers-list=
@list=3D<BR>s.frers=3D3D<BR>33.com =3D3D0ASent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 =
5:15 PM=3D3D0ASubject: Re: [frer=3D<BR>s-li=3D3D<BR>st]ECSA class rating=3D=
3D0A=3D3D0AEdgar,=3D3D0A=3D3D0APHRF of the Chesapeake rates =3D<BR>the Frer=
=3D3D<BR>s 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do ok=
ay but we s=3D<BR>ai=3D3D<BR>l the=3D3DA0heck out of that boat and the crew=
work is impeccable.=3D3D0A=3D3DA0 =3D<BR>=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D<BR>Thanks,=3D=
3D0AFrank Albert=3D3D0ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &l=
=3D<BR>t;edgar=3D3D<BR>@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:=3D3D0A=3D3D0A&g=
t;From: Edgar Smith
&lt;edgar@geo=3D<BR>matrixp=3D3D<BR>roductions.com>=3D3D0A>Subje=
ct: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A>To: frers-=3D<BR>list=3D3D<BR>@=
lists.frers33.com=3D3D0A>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D3D=
0A>=3D3D=3D<BR>0A>=3D3D0A=3D3D<BR>>The ECSA is reviewing the ratin=
gs of a number of boats at their next meeti=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ng on January 22=
, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of bo=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=
ats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can =
=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile f=
or the class.=3D3D=3D<BR>A0=3D3D<BR>I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly r=
ated in Eastern Long Island Sound at=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0108/129 and=3D3DA0=
plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support=3D<BR> thi=3D=
3D<BR>s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=
=3D3DA0 =3D<BR>=3D3D0A=3D3D<BR>>The Frers 33 has done well in the result=
s, but if you look at the boats in=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0our
division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the=3D<BR=
> F=3D3D<BR>rers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9,=
13, 21.=3D3DA0I th=3D<BR>in=3D3D<BR>k this shows mainly that there are far=
more Frers 33s racing and doing more=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0races than any ot=
her boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the EC=3D<BR>SA=3D3D<BR>=
=3DA0overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings b=
oa=3D<BR>ts=3D3D<BR>=3DA0in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2=
or more races, exactl=3D<BR>y =3D3D<BR>in the 50th percentile. This compar=
es with other competitive boats with bet=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ter averages such a=
s the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3D3DA0the Trip=3D<BR>p 36=3D3=
D<BR>=3DA0average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finis=
h of 57th=3D<BR>.=3D3DA0=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0A>I'm also working on a graph of =
two years of races in Pachyderm vs. th=3D<BR>e =3D3D<BR>two previous two ye=
ars in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for
th=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>e Branford summer series. I think this should be an obje=
ctive way of separa=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ting out all other factors to compare th=
e ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33. The J-29 fr=
actional rating is not under review. At first look,=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0I t=
hink I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 race=3D<BR=
>s =3D3D<BR>in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were co=
mmensurate. =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3D3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 ratin=
g is a little tougher)=3D3D0A>I'=3D<BR>d li=3D3D<BR>ke to collect other =
supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in ot=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>her =
regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet.=3D3DA=
=3D<BR>0=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0A>Edgar Smith=3D3D0A>Pachyderm=3D20<BR>---3750=
72337-321145529-1353467943=3D3D:8112<BR>Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D=
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yle=3D3D3D"RI=3D<BR>GHT: =3D3D<BR>auto">&lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"RIGHT:=
auto">Don't sail here, it's worse...&lt;VA=3D<BR>R id=3D3D3Dy=3D3D<=
BR>ui-ie-cursor>&lt;/VAR>&lt;BR style=3D3D3D"RIGHT: auto" cla=
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ew york, times, serif; FO=3D<BR>NT-SI=3D3D<BR>ZE: 12pt"><BR>&lt;DIV =
dir=3D3D3Dltr>&lt;FONT size=3D3D3D2 face=3D3D3DArial><BR>&lt;=
DIV style=3D3D3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px sol=
=3D<BR>id; P=3D3D<BR>ADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; P=
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ditable=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3D3D3Dfalse readonly=3D3D3D"true">&lt;/DIV&g=
t;&lt;B>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIG=3D<BR>HT: bold">From:=
=3D3D<BR>&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@pr=
odigy.net&gt;&lt;BR>&lt;B>&=3D<BR>lt;SPAN style=3D3D<=
BR>=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> frers-l=
ist@lists.frers33.com =3D<BR>&lt;BR>&lt;B>&lt;=3D3D<BR>SP=
AN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> =
Tuesday, November=3D<BR> 20, 201=3D3D<BR>2 5:15 PM&lt;BR>&l=
t;B>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:&lt;/S=
=3D<BR>PAN>&lt;/B> Re: [=3D3D<BR>frers-list]ECSA class rating&=
;lt;BR>&lt;/FONT>&lt;/DIV>&lt;WBR><BR>&lt;DIV
id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804><BR>&lt;TABLE border=3D3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D=
3D0 cellPadding=3D3D3D0><BR>&lt;TBODY><BR>&lt;TR><BR>&=
lt;TD vAlign=3D3D3Dtop><BR>&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;/DIV><BR>&=
;lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>PHRF of the Chesape=
ake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=3D<BR>lt =3D3D<BR>rating t=
o sail to.&nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;heck out of that bo=
=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>at and the crew work is impeccable.&lt;/DIV><BR>&=
;lt;DIV>&nbsp; &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;=
/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Thanks,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Frank =
Albert&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt;WBR>&lt;W=
BR>--- On &lt;B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &=3D<BR>lt;I>&a=
mp;lt;edgar@=3D3D<BR>geomatrixproductions.com&gt;&lt;/I>&lt;=
/B> wrote:&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D=
3D3D"BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=3D<BR>FT: 5=3D3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px">&lt;BR>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductio=3D=
<BR>ns.=3D3D<BR>com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&am=
p;lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating&lt;=3D<BR>BR>To: frers=3D3D<BR=
>-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:=
10 AM&lt=3D<BR>;BR>&lt;B=3D3D<BR>R><BR>&lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dy=
iv989608804><BR>&lt;DIV>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a nu=
mber of boats at their nex=3D<BR>t m=3D3D<BR>eeting on January 22, 2013. I'=
m told that this is a fairly routine review o=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>f boats/classe=
s that have done well in the previous season, but the review =3D<BR>=3D3D<B=
R>can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the cla=
ss=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in=
Eastern Long Island S=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to =
go to the meeting to present
evidence to s=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>upport this and insure we don't get an unwarr=
anted negative rating adjustme=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>nt.&nbsp;=3D3D20<BR>&=
lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>The Frers 33 ha=
s done well in the results, but if you look at the b=3D<BR>oat=3D3D<BR>s in=
our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=3D<=
BR>=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, =
13, 21.&nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>;I think this shows mainly that there are f=
ar more Frers 33s racing and doi=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ng more races than any othe=
r boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he ECSA ove=
rall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=3D<BR>=3D3=
D<BR>s boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more rac=
es, e=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with othe=
r competitive boats w=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ith better averages such as the&nb=
sp;J-27 with an average finish
52nd,&nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;=
the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>nish of 57th.&nbsp;&=
amp;lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt=
;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I'm also working on a graph of two years of rac=
es in Pachyderm vs. =3D<BR>the=3D3D<BR>=3DA0two previous two years in our J=
-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for=3D<BR> t=3D3D<BR>he Branford=
summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separ=3D<BR>=3D3=
D<BR>ating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Fra=
c vs =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under =
review. At first look=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>, I think I can show that our performa=
nce against others in nearly 30 races=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0in each boat rema=
ined unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurat=3D<BR>e.=3D3D<BR>=
=3DA0&nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little
tougher)&lt;=3D<BR>/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/=
DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I'd like to=
collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=3D<BR> ra=3D3=
D<BR>tings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case fro=
m the=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV&g=
t;&lt;WBR><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;SPAN style=
=3D3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0=3D<BR>px; BORD=3D3D=
<BR>ER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Verdana; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHA=
NS: =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPAC=
ING: 0px" class=3D3D3D=3D<BR>yi=3D3D<BR>v989608804Apple-style-span>&=
lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS:=3D<BR> 2; T=3D3D<BR>=
EXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPS=
=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>E: separate; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACIN=
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rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D3Dyiv989608804Apple-style-span>=
;<BR>&lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;SPAN style=
=3D3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: =3D<BR>normal; WI=3D3D<BR>DOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: non=
e; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORD=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ER-COLLAPSE:=
separate; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: nor=3D<BR>=3D3D=
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e-styl=3D<BR>e-=3D3D<BR>span><BR>&lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"WORD-WRAP: bre=
ak-word">&lt;FONT class=3D3D3Dyiv989608804Ap=3D<BR>ple-style-=3D3D<B=
R>span face=3D3D3DArial><BR>&lt;DIV>Edgar
Smith&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Pachyderm&lt;/DIV>&lt;/=
FONT>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&=
amp;=3D<BR>lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/D=3D3D<BR>I=
V>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&l=
t;/DIV>&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE>&lt;/TD>&lt=3D<BR>;/TR>&=
lt;/TBODY>&lt;/TABLE>&lt;/D=3D3D<BR>IV>&lt;WBR>&=
;lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/div>&lt;/body>=
;&lt;/html><BR>---375072337-321145529-1353467943=3D3D:8112--<BR><BR>=
<BR>-- __--__-- <BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>=
frers-list mailing list<BR>frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>http://lists.fre=
rs33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list<BR><BR><BR>End of frers-list Digest<BR=
><BR>---1654260983-998698336-1353515405=3D:9309<BR>Content-Type: text/html;=
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"0" border=3D3D"0" >&lt;tr>&lt;td valign=3D3D"=3D<BR>top" sty=
le=3D3D"font: inherit;">&lt;DIV>The message from our friend in th=
e mid-w=3D<BR>est was a nice message.&nbsp; Let me tell you my tale.&am=
p;lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV&g=
t;I owned a CS 30 (not a fast boat).&nbsp; I had a PHRF of 149.&nbs=
p; Lo=3D<BR>west in the nation.&nbsp; I sent a letter to PHRF of the Ch=
esapeake (yes I =3D<BR>am naming names).&nbsp; The letter had an endors=
ement from the local UK Sai=3D<BR>l maker who had sailed with us a number o=
f times.&nbsp; It also had results=3D<BR> from a years worth of ra=
cing both.&nbsp; Mark racing and point to point lo=3D<BR>ng races.&=
nbsp; It showed the various handicaps around the country.&nbsp; I=3D<BR=
> asked for a 9 second increase to my PHRF.&nbsp; I was denied.&am=
p;nbsp; I
call=3D<BR>ed my PHRF rep.&nbsp; We talked, he told me if I wasn't buy=
ing all new sail=3D<BR>s every year I had no business racing.&nbsp; I h=
ung up.&nbsp; &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV=
><BR>&lt;DIV>I called my sail maker and told him I'd been refused=
.&nbsp; He said he=3D<BR> would talk to them.&nbsp; The next d=
ay I had 6 seconds added to my PHRF.&n=3D<BR>bsp; A sad, sad story abou=
t PHRF of the Chesapeake.&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&=
lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--- O=
n &lt;B>Wed, 11/21/12, fwitt1@comcast.net &lt;I>&lt=3D<BR=
>;fwitt1@comcast.net&gt;&lt;/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;BR&g=
t;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,=
255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR&g=
t;From: fwitt1@comcast.net
&lt;fwitt1@comcast.net&g=3D<BR>t;&lt;BR>Subject: [&lt;S=
PAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 -=3D<B=
R> 4 msgs&lt;BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>D=
ate: Wednesday, November 21=3D<BR>, 2012, 12:32 AM&lt;BR>&lt;BR&=
gt;<BR>&lt;DIV id=3D3Dyiv1543362934><BR>&lt;STYLE type=3D3Dtext/=
css>#yiv1543362934 p {margin:0;}&lt;/STYLE><BR><BR>&lt;DIV>=
;<BR>&lt;DIV style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><BR>&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&n=
bsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I am on the local PHRF council, whic=
h shall go unnamed, representing m=3D<BR>y club amongst the many in our loc=
al race venues. We routinely meet during =3D<BR>the off season to assign ha=
ndicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon a=3D<BR>lterations to rigs a=
nd sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a f=3D<BR>ew tips I can=
provide to
present to your local PHRF council. &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&am=
p;nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>First of all, supplying individua=
l race results is the single most imp=3D<BR>ortant thing you can do to supp=
ort your case. Find out from the local counc=3D<BR>il just how thay want th=
at information presented. Our council has a excel s=3D<BR>pread sheet forma=
t, along with the Excel program that they will provide for=3D<BR> appe=
llants. &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV>Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the=
fleet s=3D<BR>kippers to present your case in person. The fact that you ar=
e "buttoned up"=3D<BR> with numbers and appear in person&nbsp;is i=
mportant. &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>=
&lt;DIV>Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy r protec=
ting the f=3D<BR>leet. Councils usually have a few boats that they have a l=
ot of
history on,=3D<BR> and whose performance is a known factor. They use =
these boats to judge you=3D<BR>r performance rating. In our council, one&am=
p;nbsp;such boats is the J 35. Any =3D<BR>time you get to compare your resu=
lts against the J 35, assuming it supports=3D<BR> your case, should be=
highlighted. &lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=
<BR>&lt;DIV>Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for y=
our rating, pa=3D<BR>rtly because local councils don't like comparing or av=
eraging PHRF ratings.=3D<BR> Sometimes this reflects a parochial attit=
ude about their council, and othe=3D<BR>r times because&nbsp;there are =
significant differences between San Francisc=3D<BR>o as it is&nbsp;know=
n as a high wind venue, and San&nbsp;Diego as a less wi=3D<BR>ndy. Long=
Island is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Anot=3D<BR>he=
r issue is comparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float =
=3D<BR>higher and
therefore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater&nbsp;bo=3D<BR=
>ats.&nbsp;Another thing you may want to research for the meeting is th=
e rat=3D<BR>ings of similar boats under the IMS ratings. Although they don'=
t like to ad=3D<BR>mit it, the technical sub committee of the councils will=
often look at comp=3D<BR>arisons of these ratings compared to similar boat=
s (like the J 35) to deter=3D<BR>mine if your rating appears to be in line.=
&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;D=
IV>Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By the way, my rating =
i=3D<BR>s 108, which was adjusted downward&nbsp; before I purchased my =
boat, from a=3D<BR> 114.&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&=
amp;lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Your secret pal in the Midwest.&lt;/D=
IV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>FW&am=
p;lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;HR
id=3D3Dyiv1543362934zwchr><BR><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;/DIV><BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV>&lt;B>From: &lt;/B>frers-list-request@lists.frer=
s33.com&lt;BR>&lt;B>To: &lt;/B>frers-=3D<BR>list@lists=
.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;B>Sent: &lt;/B>Tuesday, Novembe=
r 20, 2012 9:21:03 P=3D<BR>M&lt;BR>&lt;B>Subject: &lt;/B&=
gt;frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Send f=
re=3D<BR>rs-list mailing list submissions to&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nb=
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ibe=3D<BR> via the World Wide Web, visit&lt;BR>&nbsp;&n=
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=3D<BR>l, send a message with subject or body 'help'
to&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=3D<BR>;&nbsp;&=
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>&lt;BR>You ca=3D<BR>n reach the person managing the list at&=
lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=3D<BR>bsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&l=
t;BR>When replying, pl=3D<BR>ease edit your Subject line so it is more s=
pecific&lt;BR>than "Re: Contents of=3D<BR> frers-list digest...=
"&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Today's<BR> Topics:&lt;=
BR>&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. ECSA class rating (Edgar Smith)=
&lt;BR>&nbsp;&n=3D<BR>bsp; 2. Re: ECSA class rating (FRANCIS=
ALBERT)&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. Re: ECSA =3D<BR>class rating =
(William Thompson)&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 4. Re: ECSA class rati=
ng (S=3D<BR>cott Marino)&lt;BR>&lt;BR>-- __--__--
&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Message: 1&lt;BR>From: Edgar Smith &=
;amp;=3D<BR>lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt;&lt;BR>Date: Tu=
e, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0=3D<BR>500&lt;BR>To: frers-list@lists.frer=
s33.com&lt;BR>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class =3D<BR>rating&lt;B=
R>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&=
;lt;BR>--Apple-Mail-2-=3D<BR>-688990298&lt;BR>Content-Transfer-En=
coding: quoted-printable&lt;BR>Content-Type: =3D<BR>text/plain;&=
lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;charset=3D3Dus=3D<BR>-ascii&lt;BR>&lt;BR>The EC=
SA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at the=3D<BR>ir next =3D3D=
&lt;BR>meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly =
=3D<BR>routine =3D3D&lt;BR>review of boats/classes that have done we=
ll in the previous =3D<BR>season, but =3D3D&lt;BR>the review can som=
etimes result in an
adjustment of up t=3D<BR>o<BR> 3 seconds/mile =3D3D&lt;BR>for =
the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly=3D<BR> rated in Easte=
rn =3D3D&lt;BR>Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the=3D=
<BR> meeting to present =3D3D&lt;BR>evidence to support this an=
d insure we don't get=3D<BR> an unwarranted negative =3D3D&lt;BR&g=
t;rating adjustment.=3D3D20&lt;BR>&lt;BR>The Frers 33=3D<BR>&=
nbsp;has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats =3D3D&l=
t;BR>in our d=3D<BR>ivision who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011,=
(21 boats) =3D3D&lt;BR>the =3D<BR>Frers 33s are well distributed ac=
ross the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D3D&lt;BR>=3D<BR>I think this s=
hows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D3D&lt;=3D<B=
R>BR>doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story =
holds=3D<BR> =3D3D&lt;BR>for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18,=
41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In
ove=3D<BR>rall =3D3D&lt;BR>standings boats in the class average 58t=
h among 116 boats racin=3D<BR>g 2 or =3D3D&lt;BR>more races, exactly=
in the 50th percentile. This compares wit=3D<BR>h other =3D3D&lt;BR>=
;competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with=3D<BR> a=
n average<BR> =3D3D&lt;BR>finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average fin=
ish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with=3D<BR> and =3D3D&lt;BR>average f=
inish of 57th.=3D3D20&lt;BR>&lt;BR>I'm also working on a grap=
h=3D<BR> of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3D&lt;BR>=
;two previous two years i=3D<BR>n our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded result=
s for =3D3D&lt;BR>the Branford summer=3D<BR> series. I think th=
is should be an objective way of =3D3D&lt;BR>separating out a=3D<BR>=
ll other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D3D&lt;BR>=
Frac vs the =3D<BR>Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review=
. At =3D3D&lt;BR>first
l=3D<BR>ook, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D=
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ng data such as=3D<BR> IRC ratings, PHRF =3D3D&lt;BR>ratings in=
other regions and any other ideas for =3D<BR>presenting our case =3D3D&=
;lt;BR>from the fleet.=3D3D20&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Edgar<BR> =
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ratings of a number of boats at thei=3D<BR>r next meeting =3D3D&lt;BR&g=
t;on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly r=3D<BR>outine review=
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he Evelyn 32-2 with =3D<BR>=3D3D&lt;BR>and average finish of<BR>&nbs=
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p;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt=3D<BR>;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&a=
mp;lt;div&gt;I'm also =3D3D&lt;BR>working on a graph of two y=3D=
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years in our J-2=3D<BR>9 Wasabi using the recorded results for the =3D3D&am=
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pare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D3D&lt;BR>Frac vs the Frers 33.=
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gt;-- __--__-- &lt;BR>&lt;BR>Message: 2=3D<BR>&lt;BR>D=
ate: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)&lt;BR>From: FRANCIS ALBER=
T &am=3D<BR>p;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: Re:=
[frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D<BR>&lt;BR>To: frers-list@lists.fre=
rs33.com&lt;BR>Reply-To:
frers-list@lists.frers33.=3D<BR>com&lt;BR>&lt;BR>---64333562=
4-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309&lt;BR>Content-Type: tex=3D<BR>t/p=
lain; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1&lt;BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted=
-printabl=3D<BR>e&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Edgar,&lt;BR>=3D3DA0&am=
p;lt;BR>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 11=3D<BR>4 which is=
a<BR> difficult ratin=3D3D&lt;BR>g to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do oka=
y but we sail the=3D3DA0hec=3D<BR>k out of that boat and the =3D3D&lt;B=
R>crew work is impeccable.&lt;BR>=3D3DA0=3D3D20&lt;BR=3D<BR>&=
gt;=3D3DA0&lt;BR>Thanks,&lt;BR>Frank Albert&lt;BR>RELE=
NTLESS&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--- On Tue, 11/20/12=3D<BR>, Edgar Smith =
&amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt; wrote:&lt;BR>&=
;lt;BR>&lt;BR>=3D<BR>From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatri=
xproductions.com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: [f=3D<BR>rers-list]ECSA clas=
s rating&lt;BR>To:
frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Tu=3D<BR>esday, November 2=
0, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Th=
e ECSA is reviewing the=3D<BR> ratings of a number of boats at their n=
ext meetin=3D3D&lt;BR>g on January 22, 2=3D<BR>013. I'm told that th=
is is a fairly routine review of boa=3D3D&lt;BR>ts/classes =3D<BR>th=
at have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=3D3D&lt;=
BR>omet=3D<BR>imes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for t=
he class.=3D3DA0I=3D<BR>=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;believe that the Frers=
33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Isla=3D<BR>nd Sound at =3D3D&lt;BR&=
gt;108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evi=3D<BR>dence t=
o support<BR> this=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;and insure we don't get=
an unwarranted negative rating ad=3D<BR>justment.=3D3DA0=3D3D20&lt;BR&=
gt;&lt;BR>&lt;BR>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, b=
=3D<BR>ut if you look at the
boats in =3D3D&lt;BR>our division who raced more than 2 or=3D<BR>&n=
bsp;more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Fr=3D3D&lt;BR>ers 33s are wel=
l distributed a=3D<BR>cross the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I think=3D3=
D&lt;BR>&nbsp;this shows main=3D<BR>ly that there are far more F=
rers 33s racing and doing more =3D3D&lt;BR>races tha=3D<BR>n any oth=
er boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D&lt;BR>=
;ov=3D<BR>erall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
s boats =3D<BR>=3D3D&lt;BR>in the class average 58th among 116 boats=
racing 2 or more races, ex=3D<BR>actly i=3D3D&lt;BR>n the 50th perc=
entile. This compares with other competitive b=3D<BR>oats with bett=3D3D&am=
p;lt;BR>er averages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finis=3D<BR>h=
52nd,=3D3DA0the Tripp 36 =3D3D&lt;BR>average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the=
Evelyn 32-2 wi=3D<BR>th and average finish of
57th.=3D3DA0&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>I'm al=
so working on a gr=3D<BR>aph of two years of races in<BR> Pachyderm vs=
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;BR>&nbsp;out all other factors to =3D<BR>compare the ratings of the=
the J-29 Frac vs the F=3D3D&lt;BR>rers 33. The J-29 f=3D<BR>raction=
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can s=3D<BR>how that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in e=
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lt;B=3D<BR>R>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>I'd like to collect other suppo=
rting data such as IRC
ratings, PH=3D<BR>RF ratings=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;in other regions =
and any other ideas for presenting =3D<BR>our case from the flee=3D3D&l=
t;BR>t.=3D3DA0&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&a=
mp;lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Edgar Smith=3D<BR>&lt;BR>Pac=
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DIV&gt;PHRF of the Chesapeake=3D<BR> rates the Frers 33 at 114 whi=
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;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;=3D<BR> &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;B=
R>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;B=
R>&amp;lt;D=3D<BR>IV&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;B=
R>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;/DIV&gt=3D<BR>;&=
;lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;l=
t;BR&gt;--- On &amp;lt;B&=3D<BR>gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &=
amp;amp;lt;I&gt;&amp;lt;edgar@ge=3D3D&lt;BR>omatrixpr=3D<BR>=
oductions.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/I&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; wrote=
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trixproductions.=3D3D&lt;BR>com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Sub=
=3D<BR>ject: [&amp;lt;SPAN&gt;frers&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;-list]E=
CSA class rating&amp;lt=3D<BR>;BR&gt;To: frers=3D3D&lt;BR>-l=
ist@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tuesday, =3D<BR>November 2=
0, 2012, 11:10 AM&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B=3D3D&lt;BR>R&am=
p;gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;D=3D<BR>IV id=3D3D3Dyiv249185265&gt;&=
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DIV&gt;Edgar
Smith&=3D<BR>amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;P=
achyderm&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;/FONT&gt=3D<BR>;&amp;lt=
;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;/=
SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;=3D<BR>/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&am=
p;lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;/D=3D3D&lt;BR>IV&gt;&amp;lt;/DI=
=3D<BR>V&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt=
;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;l=3D<BR>t;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt;=
&amp;lt;/td&gt;&amp;lt;/tr&gt;&amp;lt;/table&gt;&am=
p;lt;BR>---643=3D<BR>335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309--&lt;BR=
>&lt;BR>-- __--__-- &lt;BR>&lt;BR>Message: 3=3D<BR>=
&lt;BR>Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list@lis=
ts.frers33.com=3D<BR>&gt;&lt;BR>From: William Thompson &amp;=
lt;foredeck@videotron.ca&gt;&lt;BR>Subject=3D<BR>: Re: [frers-li=
st]ECSA class
rating&lt;BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -050=3D<BR>0&lt;BR=
>To:<BR> "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list@list=
s.frers33.com&gt;&lt;BR=3D<BR>>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9=3D<=
BR>Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)&lt;BR>Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASC=
II&lt;BR>Content-t=3D<BR>ransfer-encoding: 7BIT&lt;BR>&lt=
;BR>I race at 114 in Montreal, with a keel shorte=3D<BR>ned to 5'8" and =
a bulb making an additional 180 lb over the original keel w=3D<BR>eight. Th=
e St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me =3D<BR>3 =
sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assigned unmodified.&lt;BR>=
&lt;BR>Will=3D<BR>iam Thompson&lt;BR>Sent from my iPad&lt=
;BR>&lt;BR>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS=3D<BR> ALBERT =
&amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt; wrote:&lt;BR>&lt;BR>=
&gt;
&lt;BR>&gt; Edgar,=3D<BR>&lt;BR>&gt; &nbsp;&=
lt;BR>&gt; PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 wh=3D<BR=
>ich is a difficult rating to sail to. &nbsp;I do okay but we sail the =
heck =3D<BR>out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.&lt;BR>=
&gt; &nbsp;&lt;BR>&gt; &n=3D<BR>bsp;&lt;BR>&a=
mp;gt; Thanks,&lt;BR>&gt; Frank Albert&lt;BR>&gt; REL=
ENTLESS&lt;BR>&gt;<BR> &lt;BR>&gt; --- On Tue, 1=
1/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproducti=3D<BR>ons.com&=
gt; wrote:&lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; From: Edgar Smith &=
amp;amp;lt;edgar@geomatr=3D<BR>ixproductions.com&gt;&lt;BR>&=
gt; Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating&lt;BR>&gt=3D<BR>; To:=
frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&gt; Date: Tuesday, November=
20, 2012=3D<BR>, 11:10 AM&lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; The=
ECSA is
reviewing the ratings of a number o=3D<BR>f boats at their next meeting on=
January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a =3D<BR>fairly routine review of =
boats/classes that have done well in the previous =3D<BR>season, but the re=
view can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 sec=3D<BR>onds/mile f=
or the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eas=3D<BR>tern=
Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D<=
BR>evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative=
ra=3D<BR>ting adjustment. &lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; Th=
e Frers 33 has done well in the result=3D<BR>s, but if you look at the boat=
s in our division who raced more than<BR> 2 or more races in 2011, (21=
boats) the Frers 33s are well distributed acr=3D<BR>oss the group 1, 2, 6,=
9, 13, 21. I think this shows mainly that there are =3D<BR>far more Frers =
33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type in =3D<BR>Div 1. T=
he same story
holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, =3D<BR>75, 108, 116. =
In overall standings boats in the class average 58th among 11=3D<BR>6 boats=
racing 2 or more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compar=3D<BR>=
es with other competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with =
=3D<BR>an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn=
32-2 w=3D<BR>ith and average finish of 57th. &lt;BR>&gt; &l=
t;BR>&gt; I'm also working on a gra=3D<BR>ph of two years of races i=
n Pachyderm vs. the two previous two years in our=3D<BR> J-29 Wasabi u=
sing the recorded results for the Branford summer series. I t=3D<BR>hink th=
is should be an objective way of separating out all other factors to=3D<BR>=
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29<BR=
> fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I think I can =
show t=3D<BR>hat our performance against others in nearly 30 races in each =
boat
remained=3D<BR> unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =
&nbsp;(In fact, if an=3D<BR>ything the Frers 33 rating is a little toug=
her)&lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; I'd like t=3D<BR>o collec=
t other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other =3D<BR>r=
egions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet. &lt;=
BR>&gt=3D<BR>; &lt;BR>&gt; Edgar Smith&lt;BR>&=
gt; Pachyderm&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic=3D<BR>=
6t0+R9DkzQ)&lt;BR>Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII&=
lt;BR>Content-trans=3D<BR>fer-encoding: 7BIT&lt;BR>&lt;BR>=
&amp;lt;html&gt;&amp;lt;head&gt;&amp;lt;meta http=3D<BR=
>-equiv=3D3D"content-type" content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dutf-8"&g=
t;&amp;lt;/=3D<BR>head&gt;&amp;lt;body dir=3D3D"auto"&gt;&a=
mp;amp;lt;div&gt;I race at 114 in Montre=3D<BR>al, with a keel shortene=
d to 5'8" and a bulb
making an additional 180 lb ov=3D<BR>er the original keel weight. The St L=
awrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. sai=3D<BR>d<BR> they were giving me=
3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assigned un=3D<BR>modified.&=
;amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;William Thompson&amp;lt;div&=
;gt;Sent fr=3D<BR>om my iPad&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt=
;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;On 2=3D<BR>012-11-20, at 5:15=
PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;&amp;lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:fxal=3D<BR>b=
ert@prodigy.net"&gt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;=
gt; wrote:&amp;=3D<BR>lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/d=
iv&gt;&amp;lt;blockquote type=3D3D"cite"&gt;=3D<BR>&amp;lt;=
div&gt;&amp;lt;table cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=
=3D3D"=3D<BR>0"&gt;&amp;lt;tbody&gt;&amp;lt;tr&gt;&=
amp;lt;td valign=3D3D"top" style=3D3D"fon=3D<BR>t:
inherit;"&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;/div&gt;&=
;lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&am=3D<BR>p;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&=
gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the =
=3D<BR>Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.&amp;nbsp=
; I do okay=3D<BR> but we sail the&amp;nbsp;heck out of that boat =
and the crew work is impecc=3D<BR>able.&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR&g=
t;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;<BR> &amp;lt;/div&gt;&a=
mp;lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&a=
mp;lt;BR>&amp;lt;d=3D<BR>iv&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/div&gt;&a=
mp;lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;/div&gt=3D<B=
R>;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;br&gt;&am=
p;amp;lt;br&gt;--- On &amp;lt;b&=3D<BR>gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar =
Smith &amp;lt;i&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;a
href=3D3D"mailto=3D<BR>:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&gt;edgar@geoma=
trixproductions.com&amp;lt;/=3D<BR>a&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/i&=
amp;gt;&amp;lt;/b&gt; wrote:&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&=
amp;=3D<BR>gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: =
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; P=3D<BR>ADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&g=
t;&amp;lt;br&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp=3D<BR>;lt;&amp;lt;a =
href=3D3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&gt;edgar@geoma=3D<BR>t=
rixproductions.com&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;S=
ubject: [&amp;lt;sp=3D<BR>an&gt;frers&amp;lt;/span&gt;-list=
]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;br&gt;To: &amp;l=3D<BR>t;a href=3D3D"=
mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"&gt;frers-list@lists.frers3=3D<BR>3=
.com&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20,=
2012,
11:10<BR> AM&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&lt;BR>=
;&amp;lt;div id=3D3D"yiv249185265"&gt;&lt;BR>&=3D<BR>amp=
;lt;div&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at th=
e=3D<BR>ir next meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly=
routine=3D<BR> review of boats/classes that have done well in the pre=
vious season, but th=3D<BR>e review can sometimes result in an adjustment o=
f up to 3 seconds/mile for =3D<BR>the class.&amp;nbsp;I believe that th=
e Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =3D<BR>Long Island Sound at 108/129 a=
nd&amp;nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to pres=3D<BR>ent evidence to sup=
port this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negativ=3D<BR>e rating adj=
ustment.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&=
amp;gt;&amp;lt;/di=3D<BR>v&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;=
The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if y=3D<BR>ou look at the bo=
ats in our
division who raced more than 2 or more races in=3D<BR> 2011, (21 boat=
s) the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2,=3D<BR> 6,=
9, 13, 21.&amp;nbsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far<BR>&n=
bsp;more Frers 33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type in =
Div=3D<BR> 1. The same story holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, =
18, 41, 47, 75,=3D<BR> 108, 116. In overall standings boats in the cla=
ss average 58th among 116 b=3D<BR>oats racing 2 or more races, exactly in t=
he 50th percentile. This compares =3D<BR>with other competitive boats with =
better averages such as the&amp;nbsp;J-27=3D<BR> with an average f=
inish 52nd,&amp;nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&am=3D<BR>p;n=
bsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of
57th.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/d=3D<BR>iv&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;l=
t;div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&am=
p;amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;=3D<BR>BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;I'm also w=
orking on a graph of two years of races in Pach=3D<BR>yderm vs. the two pre=
vious two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded =3D<BR>results for th=
e Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective=3D<BR> w=
ay of separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the =
=3D<BR>J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under<B=
R> review. At first look, I think I can show that our performance agai=
nst oth=3D<BR>ers in nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, sugge=
sting the rati=3D<BR>ngs were commensurate. &amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anyt=
hing the Frers 33 rating =3D<BR>is a little
tougher)&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&=
amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;l=3D<BR>t;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;d=
iv&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;di=
v&gt;I'd like=3D<BR> to collect other supporting data such as IRC =
ratings, PHRF ratings in othe=3D<BR>r regions and any other ideas for prese=
nting our case from the fleet.&amp;n=3D<BR>bsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;=
&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&lt;BR>&a=
mp;amp;lt;div&gt;&lt;BR=3D<BR>>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;l=
t;span style=3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT=3D<BR>-INDENT: 0px;=
BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Verdana; WHITE-SPACE:=3D<BR> =
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span style=3D3D"LIN=3D<BR>E-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none=
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&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-=3D<BR>word"&=
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=3D<BR>RM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: s=
eparate=3D<BR>; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; CO=
LOR: rgb(0,0,0=3D<BR>); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D"yiv249185265Apple-sty=
le-span"&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt=3D<BR>;div style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: =
break-word"&gt;&amp;lt;font class=3D3D"yiv249185265A=3D<BR>pple-sty=
le-span"
face=3D3D"Arial"&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;Edgar<BR>&nbs=
p;Smith&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;Pachyde=
rm&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/=3D<BR>font&gt;&amp;lt;/div&=
amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/span&a=
mp;gt;&=3D<BR>amp;lt;/span&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/=
div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/di=3D<BR>v&gt;&amp;=
lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;=
/div&gt;&amp;l=3D<BR>t;/blockquote&gt;&amp;lt;/td&gt;&a=
mp;amp;lt;/tr&gt;&amp;lt;/tbody&gt;&amp;lt;/t=3D<BR>able&am=
p;gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp;lt;/bo=
dy&gt;&amp;lt;/ht=3D<BR>ml&gt;&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--Bou=
ndary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)--&lt;BR>&lt;BR>-- __--__-- =
&lt;BR=3D<BR>>&lt;BR>Message: 4&lt;BR>Date: Tue, 20 No=
v 2012
19:19:03 -0800 (PST)&lt;BR>From: Sco=3D<BR>tt Marino &amp;lt;sc=
ottamarino@yahoo.com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]EC=3D<BR=
>SA class rating&lt;BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;l=
t;frers-list@li=3D<BR>sts.frers33.com&gt;&lt;BR>Reply-To: frers-=
list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;BR>---375=3D<BR>072337-32114=
5529-1353467943=3D3D:8112&lt;BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D=
3D=3D<BR>iso-8859-1&lt;BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabl=
e&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Don't<BR> sail here, it's worse...=3D3D0A=
=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A______________________________=3D<BR>__=3D3D&lt;BR=
>=3D3D0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;=3D=
3D0ATo:=3D<BR> frers-list@lists.frers=3D3D&lt;BR>33.com =3D3D0A=
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 =3D<BR>5:15 PM=3D3D0ASubject: Re: [frers-l=
i=3D3D&lt;BR>st]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A=3D3D0AEdga=3D<BR>r,=3D3D0A=
=3D3D0APHRF of the Chesapeake rates the
Frer=3D3D&lt;BR>s 33 at 114 which i=3D<BR>s a difficult rating to s=
ail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sai=3D3D&lt;BR>l the=3D3DA0=3D<BR>he=
ck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D3D0A=3D3DA0 =3D3D0A=
=3D3D0A=3D<BR>=3D3D&lt;BR>Thanks,=3D3D0AFrank Albert=3D3D0ARELENTLES=
S--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar S=3D<BR>mith &amp;lt;edgar=3D3D&lt;BR&=
gt;@geomatrixproductions.com&gt; wrote:=3D3D0A=3D3D0A&gt;=3D<BR>Fro=
m: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixp=3D3D&lt;BR>roductions.co=
m&gt;=3D3D0A&gt=3D<BR>;Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D3D0=
A&gt;To: frers-list=3D3D&lt;BR>@lists=3D<BR>.frers33.com=3D3D0A&=
amp;gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D3D0A&gt;=3D3D=3D<BR=
>0A&gt;=3D3D0A=3D3D&lt;BR>&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the rati=
ngs of a number of boat=3D<BR>s at their next meeti=3D3D&lt;BR>ng on=
January 22, 2013. I'm told that this<BR> is a fairly routine review o=
f bo=3D3D&lt;BR>ats/classes that have done well in
=3D<BR>the previous season, but the review can =3D3D&lt;BR>sometime=
s result in an adjus=3D<BR>tment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3=
DA0=3D3D&lt;BR>I believe that the =3D<BR>Frers 33 is fairly rated in=
Eastern Long Island Sound at=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;108/12=3D<BR>9 an=
d=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support thi=3D3D&a=
mp;lt;B=3D<BR>R>s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating=
adjustment.=3D3DA0=3D<BR> =3D3D0A=3D3D&lt;BR>&gt;The Frers=
33 has done well in the results, but if you look=3D<BR> at the boats =
in=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;our division who raced more than 2 or more r=
ac=3D<BR>es in 2011, (21 boats) the F=3D3D&lt;BR>rers 33s are well d=
istributed across the=3D<BR> group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I thin=3D=
3D&lt;BR>k this shows mainly that there =3D<BR>are far more Frers 33=
s racing and doing more=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;races than any oth=3D<B=
R>er boat type in Div 1. The same story
holds for the ECSA=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;overal=3D<BR>l results at 2=
, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats=3D3D&lt;BR>=
=3D<BR>&nbsp;in the class average<BR> 58th among 116 boats racing =
2 or more races, exactly =3D3D&lt;BR>in the 50th pe=3D<BR>rcentile. =
This compares with other competitive boats with bet=3D3D&lt;BR>ter a=
ve=3D<BR>rages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3D3DA0th=
e Tripp 36=3D3D=3D<BR>&lt;BR>&nbsp;average finish 55th,=3D3DA0th=
e Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish =3D<BR>of 57th.=3D3DA0=3D3D&lt;BR=
>=3D3D0A&gt;I'm also working on a graph of two years of ra=3D<BR>ces=
in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3D&lt;BR>two previous two years in our J-29=
Wasabi u=3D<BR>sing the recorded results for th=3D3D&lt;BR>e Branfo=
rd summer series. I think th=3D<BR>is should be an objective way of separa=
=3D3D&lt;BR>ting out all other factors to=3D<BR> compare the ra=
tings of the the J-29 Frac vs
t=3D3D&lt;BR>he Frers 33. The J-29 =3D<BR>fractional rating is not =
under review. At first look,=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;I think I=3D<BR>&n=
bsp;can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races =3D3D&a=
mp;lt;BR>in =3D<BR>each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =
were commensurate. =3D3D=3D<BR>&lt;BR>=3D3DA0(In fact, if anything t=
he Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)=3D3D0=3D<BR>A&gt;I'd li=3D3D&am=
p;lt;BR>ke to collect<BR> other supporting data such as IRC ratings=
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as for presenting our case from the fleet.=3D3DA0=3D3D&lt;B=3D<BR>R>=
=3D3D0A&gt;Edgar Smith=3D3D0A&gt;Pachyderm &lt;BR>---3750723=
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From:=3D3D&lt;BR>&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>lt;/B&=
gt; FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&amp;gt;&amp;lt;=
BR&gt;=3D<BR>&amp;lt;B&gt;&amp;lt;SPAN style=3D3D&lt;BR=
>=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;To:&amp;l=3D<BR>t;/SPAN&gt;&a=
mp;amp;lt;/B&gt;
frers-list@lists.frers33.com &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;l=3D<BR>t;B&am=
p;gt;&amp;lt;=3D3D&lt;BR>SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&am=
p;gt;Sent:&amp;lt;/S=3D<BR>PAN&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; Tuesday, N=
ovember 20, 201=3D3D&lt;BR>2 5:15 PM&amp;lt;BR&g=3D<BR>t;&am=
p;amp;lt;B&gt;&amp;lt;SPAN<BR> style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"=
&gt;Subject:&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; R=3D<BR>e: =
[=3D3D&lt;BR>frers-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;BR&gt;&=
amp;lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&=
amp;lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804&gt;&lt;BR>&am=
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mp;lt;TR&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;TD
vAlign=3D3D3Dtop&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt=3D<BR>;Edgar,=
&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;=
&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&am=3D<BR>p;lt;DIV&gt;PHRF of=
the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a dif=3D<BR>ficult =3D3D=
&lt;BR>rating to sail to.&amp;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&am=
p;amp;nb=3D<BR>sp;heck out of that bo=3D3D&lt;BR>at and the crew wor=
k is impeccable.&amp;lt;/DI=3D<BR>V&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DI=
V&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;D=
IV&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;=
=3D<BR>DIV&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&am=
p;lt;DIV&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;WBR=3D<BR>&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&=
;gt;--- On &amp;lt;B&gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar
Smith<BR> &amp;lt;I&gt;&amp;lt;edgar@=3D3D&lt;BR>g=
eomatrixproductions.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;=3D<BR>/I&gt;&amp;lt=
;/B&gt; wrote:&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR=
>&amp;lt;BLOCK=3D<BR>QUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) =
2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D3D&lt;=3D<BR>BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&a=
mp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@g=3D<BR>eom=
atrixproductions.=3D3D&lt;BR>com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Su=
bject: [&amp;lt;SPAN&=3D<BR>gt;frers&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;-list]=
ECSA class rating&amp;lt;BR&gt;To: frers=3D3D&lt;=3D<BR>BR>-=
list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 201=
2, 1=3D<BR>1:10 AM&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B=3D3D&lt;BR>R&a=
mp;gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv9896088=3D<BR>04&gt;&am=
p;lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a nu=
mber of b=3D<BR>oats at
their next m=3D3D&lt;BR>eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that t=
his i=3D<BR>s a fairly routine review o=3D3D&lt;BR>f boats/classes t=
hat have done well in th=3D<BR>e previous season, but the review =3D3D&=
lt;BR>can sometimes result in an adjustm=3D<BR>ent of up to 3 seconds/mi=
le for the class=3D3D&lt;BR>.&amp;nbsp;I believe that t=3D<BR>he=
Frers 33 is<BR> fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=3D3D&lt;BR&=
gt;ound at 108/129 and&amp;nbsp;p=3D<BR>lan to go to the meeting to pre=
sent evidence to s=3D3D&lt;BR>upport this and ins=3D<BR>ure we don't=
get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=3D3D&lt;BR>nt.&amp;=
nbsp=3D<BR>;=3D3D20&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&=
;gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;=3D<BR>The=
Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boat=3D3D&am=
p;lt;B=3D<BR>R>s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in =
2011, (21
boats)=3D<BR> t=3D3D&lt;BR>he Frers 33s are well distributed a=
cross the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13,=3D<BR> 21.&amp;nbsp=3D3D&lt;BR=
>;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frer=3D<BR>s 33s rac=
ing and doi=3D3D&lt;BR>ng more races than any other boat type in Div=
1.=3D<BR> The same story holds for t=3D3D&lt;BR>he ECSA overal=
l results at 2, 18, 41, 47,=3D<BR> 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
=3D3D&lt;BR>s boats in the class average 58th =3D<BR>among 116 boats=
racing 2 or more races, e=3D3D&lt;BR>xactly in the 50th percenti=3D=
<BR>le. This compares with other competitive boats w=3D3D&lt;BR>ith =
better averages =3D<BR>such as<BR> the&amp;nbsp;J-27 with an avera=
ge finish 52nd,&amp;nbsp=3D3D&lt;BR>;the Tripp 3=3D<BR>6 average=
finish 55th,&amp;nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=3D3D&lt;=
BR>n=3D<BR>ish of
57th.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&a=
mp;gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt=3D<BR>;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&a=
mp;amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I'm also working=
on a gr=3D<BR>aph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the=3D3D&lt;B=
R>&nbsp;two previous two=3D<BR> years in our J-29 Wasabi using =
the recorded results for t=3D3D&lt;BR>he Branfor=3D<BR>d summer seri=
es. I think this should be an objective way of separ=3D3D&lt;BR>ati=
=3D<BR>ng out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac=
vs =3D3D=3D<BR>&lt;BR>the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is n=
ot under review. At first =3D<BR>look=3D3D&lt;BR>, I think I can sho=
w that our performance against others in near=3D<BR>ly 30 races=3D3D&lt=
;BR>&nbsp;in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the rat=3D<BR>=
ings were commensurate.=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;&amp;nbsp;(In fact,=
if anything the
Fre=3D<BR>rs 33 rating is a little<BR> tougher)&amp;lt;/DIV&g=
t;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&amp;lt;/=
DIV&gt;=3D<BR>&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I'd like to collec=3D=
<BR>t other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ra=3D3D&lt;BR>=
tings in other r=3D<BR>egions and any other ideas for presenting our case f=
rom the=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;fle=3D<BR>et.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;=
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