[frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #597 - 1 msg

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Regarding your local PHRF experience. You have a right to appeal the local =
councils decision to US PHRF which is a part of US Sailing.=C2=A0You have t=
he right to present your numbers and also to plead your case via conference=
 call. In those cases=C2=A0the conference call includes the US PHRF rep, yo=
ur local council rep and you.=C2=A0Prior to the call, you must submit race =
results, etc etc. We have had a few of these cases and our local council wa=
s much more magnanimous with regard to showing racers the=C2=A0way to appea=
l. If the local=C2=A0council rep will not help, contact US Sailing your sel=
f and ask for the procedure.=20

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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:30:05 -0800 (PST)=20
From: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs=20
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The message from our friend in the mid-west was a nice message.=3DA0 Let me=
 t=3D=20
ell you my tale.=20
=3DA0=20
I owned a CS 30 (not a fast boat).=3DA0 I had a PHRF of 149.=3DA0 Lowest in=
 the=3D=20
=C2=A0nation.=3DA0 I sent a letter to PHRF of the Chesapeake (yes I am nami=
ng name=3D=20
s).=3DA0 The letter had an endorsement from the local UK Sail maker who had=
 s=3D=20
ailed with us a number of times.=3DA0 It also had results from a years wort=
h =3D=20
of racing both.=3DA0 Mark racing and point to point long races.=3DA0 It sho=
wed =3D=20
the various handicaps around the country.=3DA0 I asked for a 9 second incre=
as=3D=20
e to my PHRF.=3DA0 I was denied.=3DA0 I called my PHRF rep.=3DA0 We talked,=
 he to=3D=20
ld me if I wasn't buying all new sails every year I had no business racing.=
=3D=20
=3DA0 I hung up.=3DA0=3D20=20
=3DA0=20
I called my sail maker and told him I'd been refused.=3DA0 He said he would=
 t=3D=20
alk to them.=3DA0 The next day I had 6 seconds added to my PHRF.=3DA0 A sad=
, sa=3D=20
d story about PHRF of the Chesapeake.=20
=3DA0=20
Frank Albert=20

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From: fwitt1@comcast.net &lt;fwitt1@comcast.net>=20
Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 12:32 AM=20

#yiv1543362934 p {margin:0;}=20

Edgar,=20
=3DA0=20
I am on the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representing my clu=
=3D=20
b amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet during the o=
=3D=20
ff season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon altera=
=3D=20
tions to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a few ti=
=3D=20
ps I can provide to present to your local PHRF council.=3D20=20
=3DA0=20
First of all, supplying individual race results is the single most importan=
=3D=20
t thing you can do to support your case. Find out from the local council ju=
=3D=20
st how thay want that information presented. Our council has a excel spread=
=3D=20
=C2=A0sheet format, along with the Excel program that they will provide for=
 appe=3D=20
llants.=3D20=20
=3DA0=20
Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the fleet skippe=
=3D=20
rs to present your case in person. The fact that you are "buttoned up" with=
=3D=20
=C2=A0numbers and appear in person=3DA0is important.=3D20=20
=3DA0=20
Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy r protecting the fleet.=
=3D=20
=C2=A0Councils usually have a few boats that they have a lot of history on,=
 and =3D=20
whose performance is a known factor. They use these boats to judge your per=
=3D=20
formance rating. In our council, one=3DA0such boats is the J 35. Any time y=
ou=3D=20
=C2=A0get to compare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports yo=
ur ca=3D=20
se, should be highlighted.=3D20=20
=3DA0=20
Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for your rating, partly =
=3D=20
because local councils don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings. Some=
=3D=20
times this reflects a parochial attitude about their council, and other tim=
=3D=20
es because=3DA0there are significant differences between San Francisco as i=
t =3D=20
is=3DA0known as a high wind venue, and San=3DA0Diego as a less windy. Long =
Isla=3D=20
nd is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Another issue is c=
=3D=20
omparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float higher and the=
=3D=20
refore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater=3DA0boats.=3DA0Anothe=
r th=3D=20
ing you may want to research for the meeting is the ratings of similar boat=
=3D=20
s under the IMS ratings. Although they don't like to admit it, the technica=
=3D=20
l sub committee of the councils will often look at comparisons of these rat=
=3D=20
ings compared to similar boats (like the J 35) to determine if your rating =
=3D=20
appears to be in line.=3D20=20
=3DA0=20
Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By the way, my rating is 108=
=3D=20
, which was adjusted downward=3DA0 before I purchased my boat, from a 114.=
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=3DA0=20
Your secret pal in the Midwest.=20
=3DA0=20
FW=20
=3DA0=20

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=3DA0=3DA0 1. ECSA class rating (Edgar Smith)=20
=3DA0=3DA0 2. Re: ECSA class rating (FRANCIS ALBERT)=20
=3DA0=3DA0 3. Re: ECSA class rating (William Thompson)=20
=3DA0=3DA0 4. Re: ECSA class rating (Scott Marino)=20

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Message: 1=20
From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>=20
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0500=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
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The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next =3D3D=
=20
meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine =3D3D=
=20
review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but =3D=
3D=20
the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =3D3D=
=20
Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D3D=
=20
evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
rating adjustment.=3D3D20=20

The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats =3D=
3D=20
in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D=
3D=20
the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D=
3D=20
I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D3=
D=20
doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall =3D=
3D=20
standings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or =3D3D=
=20
more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other =3D3D=
=20
competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with an average =3D=
3D=20
finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and =3D=
3D=20
average finish of 57th.=3D3D20=20

I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3=
D=20
two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D3=
D=20
separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D=
3D=20
Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
first look, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D3D=
=20
nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D=
3D=20
were commensurate. =3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D3=
D=20
little tougher)=20

I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF =3D3D=
=20
ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =3D3D=
=20
from the fleet.=3D3D20=20

Edgar Smith=20
Pachyderm=3D3D=20

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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The =3D3=
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ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meeting =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of =3D3D=
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boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the =3D3D=
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class.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long =3D=
3D=20
Island Sound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present =3D3D=
=20
evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
rating adjustment.&nbsp;&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;div>The Frers 33 has do=
=3D=20
ne well =3D3D=20
in the results, but if you look at the boats in our division who raced =3D3=
D=20
more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well =3D3D=
=20
distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp;I think this shows =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more races =3D3D=
=20
than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D=
=20
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =3D3D=
=20
boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, =3D=
3D=20
exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive =3D3D=
=20
boats with better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an average finish =3D=
3D=20
52nd,&nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with =3D3=
D=20
and average finish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&=
=3D=20
lt;div>I'm also =3D3D=20
working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =3D3D=20
previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D3D=20
separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D=
3D=20
Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
first look, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D3D=
=20
nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D=
3D=20
were commensurate. &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D=
3D=20
little tougher)&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;div>&lt;div>I'd=
=3D=20
=C2=A0like to collect =3D3D=20
other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other regions =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
and any other ideas for presenting our case from the =3D3D=20
fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;div>&lt;div>=20
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Message: 2=20
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)=20
From: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
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Edgar,=20
=3D3DA0=20
PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult ratin=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
g to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sail the=3D3DA0heck out of that boat =
and =3D=20
the =3D3D=20
crew work is impeccable.=20
=3D3DA0=3D3D20=20
=3D3DA0=20
Thanks,=20
Frank Albert=20
RELENTLESS=20

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:=20

From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>=20
Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=20

The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meetin=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
g on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of boa=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ts/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3=
DA=3D=20
0I=3D3D=20
=3DA0believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound=
 a=3D=20
t =3D3D=20
108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support =
th=3D=20
is=3D3D=20
=3DA0and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3=
DA0=3D=20
=3D3D20=20

The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Fr=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I t=
hi=3D=20
nk=3D3D=20
=3DA0this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing m=
or=3D=20
e =3D3D=20
races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
er averages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3D3DA0the T=
ripp=3D=20
=C2=A036 =3D3D=20
average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=
=3D=20
=3D3DA0=20

I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Br=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
anford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separating=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
=3DA0out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=
he=3D=20
=C2=A0F=3D3D=20
rers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
hink I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in e=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ach boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =3D3=
DA=3D=20
0(=3D3D=20
In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)=20

I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
=3DA0in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the =
fl=3D=20
ee=3D3D=20
t.=3D3DA0=20

Edgar Smith=20
Pachyderm=20
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&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
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&lt;DIV>&nbsp; &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Thanks,&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--- On &lt;B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt=
=3D=20
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductio=
=3D=20
ns.=3D3D=20
com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating&lt;=
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BR>To: frers=3D3D=20
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.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=
=3D=20
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nt.&nbsp;=3D3D20=20
&lt;DIV>&lt;BR>&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
=3D=20
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s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=
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=3D=20
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=3D=20
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=3D=20
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nish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
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or=3D=20
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=3D=20
=3D3D=20
the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look=
=3D=20
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, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=
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tings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=
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Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
From: William Thompson &lt;foredeck@videotron.ca>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -0500=20
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
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I race at 114 in Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making =
=3D=20
an additional 180 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley =
=3D=20
Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 the=
=3D=20
y would have assigned unmodified.=20

William Thompson=20
Sent from my iPad=20

On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:=
=20

>=3D20=20
> Edgar,=20
> =3DA0=20
> PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rat=
=3D=20
ing to sail to. =3DA0I do okay but we sail the heck out of that boat and th=
e =3D=20
crew work is impeccable.=20
> =3DA0=20
> =3DA0=20
> Thanks,=20
> Frank Albert=20
> RELENTLESS=20
>=3D20=20
> --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wro=
=3D=20
te:=20
>=3D20=20
> From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>=20
> Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=20
>=3D20=20
> The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meet=
=3D=20
ing on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of b=
=3D=20
oats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can=
=3D=20
=C2=A0sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the cla=
ss. I=3D=20
=C2=A0believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Soun=
d at =3D=20
108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support this a=
=3D=20
nd insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D20=20
>=3D20=20
> The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats i=
=3D=20
n our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the =
=3D=20
Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think=
=3D=20
=C2=A0this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing =
more =3D=20
races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =
=3D=20
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
=3D=20
in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=
=3D=20
n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=
=3D=20
er averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 aver=
=3D=20
age finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=3D20=20
>=3D20=20
> I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the tw=
=3D=20
o previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the =
=3D=20
Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separati=
=3D=20
ng out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the=
=3D=20
=C2=A0Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first lo=
ok, I=3D=20
=C2=A0think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 rac=
es in=3D=20
=C2=A0each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurat=
e. =3D=20
=3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)=20
>=3D20=20
> I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratin=
=3D=20
gs in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fl=
=3D=20
eet.=3D20=20
>=3D20=20
> Edgar Smith=20
> Pachyderm=20

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&lt;html>&lt;head>&lt;meta http-equiv=3D3D"content-type" content=3D3D"text/=
html=3D=20
; charset=3D3Dutf-8">&lt;/head>&lt;body dir=3D3D"auto">&lt;div>I race at 11=
4 in=3D=20
=C2=A0Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an addition=
al 18=3D=20
0 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Ass=
=3D=20
oc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have ass=
=3D=20
igned unmodified.&lt;br>&lt;br>William Thompson&lt;div>Sent from my iPad&lt=
=3D=20
;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &lt=
=3D=20
;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net&lt;/a>&g=
t;=3D=20
=C2=A0wrote:&lt;br>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;blockquote type=3D3D"cite">&lt;div>&=
lt;tabl=3D=20
e cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=3D3D"0">&lt;tbody>&lt;tr>&=
lt;td =3D=20
valign=3D3D"top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;">&lt;div>Edgar,&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>&nbsp;&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
=3D=20
lt rating to sail to.&nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;heck out of that=
=3D=20
=C2=A0boat and the crew work is impeccable.&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>&nbsp; &lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>&nbsp;&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>Thanks,&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>Frank Albert&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>RELENTLESS&lt;br>&lt;br>--- On &lt;b>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt=
=3D=20
;i>&lt;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatr=
ix=3D=20
productions.com&lt;/a>&gt;&lt;/i>&lt;/b> wrote:&lt;br>&lt;/div>=20
&lt;blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=
FT=3D=20
: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;br>From: Edgar Smith &lt;&lt;a href=3D3D"mailt=
o:=3D=20
edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&lt;/a>&gt;&l=
=3D=20
t;br>Subject: [&lt;span>frers&lt;/span>-list]ECSA class rating&lt;br>To: &l=
=3D=20
t;a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33=
.c=3D=20
om&lt;/a>&lt;br>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt;br>&lt;br>=20
&lt;div id=3D3D"yiv249185265">=20
&lt;div>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=
=3D=20
t meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine revie=
=3D=20
w of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the revi=
=3D=20
ew can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the cl=
=3D=20
ass.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Islan=
=3D=20
d Sound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present evidence t=
=3D=20
o support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjus=
=3D=20
tment.&nbsp;=3D20=20
&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
=3D=20
oats in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats=
=3D=20
) the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&n=
=3D=20
bsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =
=3D=20
doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds fo=
=3D=20
r the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall stand=
=3D=20
ings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races=
=3D=20
, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boat=
=3D=20
s with better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&n=
=3D=20
bsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average=
=3D=20
=C2=A0finish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>=20
&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =
=3D=20
the two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results fo=
=3D=20
r the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of se=
=3D=20
parating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac =
=3D=20
vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first l=
=3D=20
ook, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 ra=
=3D=20
ces in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensura=
=3D=20
te. &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&lt=
=3D=20
;/div>=20
&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>=20
&lt;div>=20
&lt;div>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=
=3D=20
=C2=A0ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =
from =3D=20
the fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>&lt;br>=20
&lt;div>=20
&lt;div>&lt;span style=3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0=
px=3D=20
; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Verdana; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORP=
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=3D=20
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=3D=20
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&lt;div>Edgar Smith&lt;/div>=20
&lt;div>Pachyderm&lt;/div>&lt;/font>&lt;/div>&lt;/span>&lt;/div>&lt;/span>&=
=3D=20
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)=20
From: Scott Marino &lt;scottamarino@yahoo.com>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
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Don't sail here, it's worse...=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A_________________=
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=3D3D0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net>=3D3D0ATo: frers-list@=
list=3D=20
s.frers=3D3D=20
33.com =3D3D0ASent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:15 PM=3D3D0ASubject: Re: [=
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st]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A=3D3D0AEdgar,=3D3D0A=3D3D0APHRF of the Chesapeak=
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the Frer=3D3D=20
s 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we=
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ai=3D3D=20
l the=3D3DA0heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D3D0A=
=3D3DA0 =3D=20
=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D=20
Thanks,=3D3D0AFrank Albert=3D3D0ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smit=
h &l=3D=20
t;edgar=3D3D=20
@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:=3D3D0A=3D3D0A>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar=
@geo=3D=20
matrixp=3D3D=20
roductions.com>=3D3D0A>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A>To: fr=
ers-=3D=20
list=3D3D=20
@lists.frers33.com=3D3D0A>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D3D0A=
>=3D3D=3D=20
0A>=3D3D0A=3D3D=20
>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meeti=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ng on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of bo=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D=
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I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
=3DA0108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to sup=
port=3D=20
=C2=A0thi=3D3D=20
s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3DA0=
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=3D3D0A=3D3D=20
>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in=
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k this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
=3DA0races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the =
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=3DA0average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of =
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two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for th=
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e Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separa=
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ting out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=
=3D=20
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he Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look,=
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in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =
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&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;&lt;BR>&lt;B>&=
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&lt;BR>&lt;B>&lt;=3D3D=20
SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> Tuesday, Novemb=
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2 5:15 PM&lt;BR>&lt;B>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:&lt;=
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PAN>&lt;/B> Re: [=3D3D=20
frers-list]ECSA class rating&lt;BR>&lt;/FONT>&lt;/DIV>&lt;WBR>=20
&lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804>=20
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&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
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lt =3D3D=20
rating to sail to.&nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;heck out of that bo=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
at and the crew work is impeccable.&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp; &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Thanks,&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt;WBR>&lt;WBR>--- On &lt;B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &=
=3D=20
lt;I>&lt;edgar@=3D3D=20
geomatrixproductions.com&gt;&lt;/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-=
LE=3D=20
FT: 5=3D3D=20
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductio=
=3D=20
ns.=3D3D=20
com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating&lt;=
=3D=20
BR>To: frers=3D3D=20
-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt=
=3D=20
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R>=20
&lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804>=20
&lt;DIV>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=
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t m=3D3D=20
eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
f boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
nt.&nbsp;=3D3D20=20
&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
=3D=20
oat=3D3D=20
s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
he Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ng more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
s boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats w=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ith better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&nbsp=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=
=3D=20
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nish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =
=3D=20
the=3D3D=20
=3DA0two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results f=
or=3D=20
=C2=A0t=3D3D=20
he Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separ=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
ating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
=3DA0in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensur=
at=3D=20
e.=3D3D=20
=3DA0&nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&l=
t;=3D=20
/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=
=3D=20
=C2=A0ra=3D3D=20
tings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=
=3D=20
=3D3D=20
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&lt;DIV>Edgar Smith&lt;/DIV>=20
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t;td valign=3D3D"=3D=20
top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;">&lt;DIV>The message from our friend in the =
mid-w=3D=20
est was a nice message.&nbsp; Let me tell you my tale.&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>I owned a CS 30 (not a fast boat).&nbsp; I had a PHRF of 149.&nbsp;=
 Lo=3D=20
west in the nation.&nbsp; I sent a letter to PHRF of the Chesapeake (yes I =
=3D=20
am naming names).&nbsp; The letter had an endorsement from the local UK Sai=
=3D=20
l maker who had sailed with us a number of times.&nbsp; It also had results=
=3D=20
=C2=A0from a years worth of racing both.&nbsp; Mark racing and point to poi=
nt lo=3D=20
ng races.&nbsp; It showed the various handicaps around the country.&nbsp; I=
=3D=20
=C2=A0asked for a 9 second increase to my PHRF.&nbsp; I was denied.&nbsp; I=
 call=3D=20
ed my PHRF rep.&nbsp; We talked, he told me if I wasn't buying all new sail=
=3D=20
s every year I had no business racing.&nbsp; I hung up.&nbsp; &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>I called my sail maker and told him I'd been refused.&nbsp; He said=
 he=3D=20
=C2=A0would talk to them.&nbsp; The next day I had 6 seconds added to my PH=
RF.&n=3D=20
bsp; A sad, sad story about PHRF of the Chesapeake.&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--- On &lt;B>Wed, 11/21/12, fwitt1@comcas=
t.net &lt;I>&lt=3D=20
;fwitt1@comcast.net&gt;&lt;/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;BR>&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=
FT: 5=3D=20
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: fwitt1@comcast.net &lt;fwitt1@comcast.ne=
t&g=3D=20
t;&lt;BR>Subject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol=
 1 #595 -=3D=20
=C2=A04 msgs&lt;BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Wednesday, =
November 21=3D=20
, 2012, 12:32 AM&lt;BR>&lt;BR>=20
&lt;DIV id=3D3Dyiv1543362934>=20
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&lt;DIV>=20
&lt;DIV style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">=20
&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>I am on the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representin=
g m=3D=20
y club amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet during =
=3D=20
the off season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon a=
=3D=20
lterations to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a f=
=3D=20
ew tips I can provide to present to your local PHRF council. &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>First of all, supplying individual race results is the single most =
imp=3D=20
ortant thing you can do to support your case. Find out from the local counc=
=3D=20
il just how thay want that information presented. Our council has a excel s=
=3D=20
pread sheet format, along with the Excel program that they will provide for=
=3D=20
=C2=A0appellants. &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the flee=
t s=3D=20
kippers to present your case in person. The fact that you are "buttoned up"=
=3D=20
=C2=A0with numbers and appear in person&nbsp;is important. &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy r protecting th=
e f=3D=20
leet. Councils usually have a few boats that they have a lot of history on,=
=3D=20
=C2=A0and whose performance is a known factor. They use these boats to judg=
e you=3D=20
r performance rating. In our council, one&nbsp;such boats is the J 35. Any =
=3D=20
time you get to compare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports=
=3D=20
=C2=A0your case, should be highlighted. &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for your rating,=
 pa=3D=20
rtly because local councils don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings.=
=3D=20
=C2=A0Sometimes this reflects a parochial attitude about their council, and=
 othe=3D=20
r times because&nbsp;there are significant differences between San Francisc=
=3D=20
o as it is&nbsp;known as a high wind venue, and San&nbsp;Diego as a less wi=
=3D=20
ndy. Long Island is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Anot=
=3D=20
her issue is comparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float =
=3D=20
higher and therefore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater&nbsp;bo=
=3D=20
ats.&nbsp;Another thing you may want to research for the meeting is the rat=
=3D=20
ings of similar boats under the IMS ratings. Although they don't like to ad=
=3D=20
mit it, the technical sub committee of the councils will often look at comp=
=3D=20
arisons of these ratings compared to similar boats (like the J 35) to deter=
=3D=20
mine if your rating appears to be in line. &lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By the way, my ratin=
g i=3D=20
s 108, which was adjusted downward&nbsp; before I purchased my boat, from a=
=3D=20
=C2=A0114.&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>Your secret pal in the Midwest.&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>FW&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV>=20
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&lt;DIV>&lt;/DIV>=20
&lt;DIV>&lt;B>From: &lt;/B>frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;B=
>To: &lt;/B>frers-=3D=20
list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;B>Sent: &lt;/B>Tuesday, November 20, 2012 =
9:21:03 P=3D=20
M&lt;BR>&lt;B>Subject: &lt;/B>frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs&lt;BR>=
&lt;BR>Send fre=3D=20
rs-list mailing list submissions to&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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scribe=3D=20
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l, send a message with subject or body 'help' to&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
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You ca=3D=20
n reach the person managing the list at&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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ng, pl=3D=20
ease edit your Subject line so it is more specific&lt;BR>than "Re: Contents=
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=C2=A0frers-list digest..."&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Today's=20
=C2=A0Topics:&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. ECSA class rating (Edgar Smith)&=
lt;BR>&nbsp;&n=3D=20
bsp; 2. Re: ECSA class rating (FRANCIS ALBERT)&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. Re: EC=
SA =3D=20
class rating (William Thompson)&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 4. Re: ECSA class rating=
 (S=3D=20
cott Marino)&lt;BR>&lt;BR>-- __--__-- &lt;BR>&lt;BR>Message: 1&lt;BR>From: =
Edgar Smith &amp;=3D=20
lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt;&lt;BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47=
 -0=3D=20
500&lt;BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA =
class =3D=20
rating&lt;BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--A=
pple-Mail-2-=3D=20
-688990298&lt;BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable&lt;BR>Content-=
Type: =3D=20
text/plain;&lt;BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;charset=
=3D3Dus=3D=20
-ascii&lt;BR>&lt;BR>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats =
at the=3D=20
ir next =3D3D&lt;BR>meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fa=
irly =3D=20
routine =3D3D&lt;BR>review of boats/classes that have done well in the prev=
ious =3D=20
season, but =3D3D&lt;BR>the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of=
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=C2=A03 seconds/mile =3D3D&lt;BR>for the class. I believe that the Frers 33=
 is fairly=3D=20
=C2=A0rated in Eastern =3D3D&lt;BR>Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to=
 go to the=3D=20
=C2=A0meeting to present =3D3D&lt;BR>evidence to support this and insure we=
 don't get=3D=20
=C2=A0an unwarranted negative =3D3D&lt;BR>rating adjustment.=3D3D20&lt;BR>&=
lt;BR>The Frers 33=3D=20
=C2=A0has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats =3D3D&lt;B=
R>in our d=3D=20
ivision who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D3D&lt;BR=
>the =3D=20
Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D3D&l=
t;BR>=3D=20
I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D3=
D&lt;=3D=20
BR>doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds=
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=C2=A0=3D3D&lt;BR>for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 1=
16. In ove=3D=20
rall =3D3D&lt;BR>standings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats =
racin=3D=20
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lt;BR>&lt;BR>Message: 2=3D=20
&lt;BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)&lt;BR>From: FRANCIS ALBE=
RT &am=3D=20
p;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rat=
ing=3D=20
&lt;BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.fr=
ers33.=3D=20
com&lt;BR>&lt;BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309&lt;BR>Conten=
t-Type: tex=3D=20
t/plain; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1&lt;BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-pri=
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e&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Edgar,&lt;BR>=3D3DA0&lt;BR>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the =
Frers 33 at 11=3D=20
4 which is a=20
=C2=A0difficult ratin=3D3D&lt;BR>g to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sail=
 the=3D3DA0hec=3D=20
k out of that boat and the =3D3D&lt;BR>crew work is impeccable.&lt;BR>=3D3D=
A0=3D3D20&lt;BR=3D=20
>=3D3DA0&lt;BR>Thanks,&lt;BR>Frank Albert&lt;BR>RELENTLESS&lt;BR>&lt;BR>---=
 On Tue, 11/20/12=3D=20
, Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt; wrote:&lt;BR>&lt;B=
R>&lt;BR>=3D=20
From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject:=
 [f=3D=20
rers-list]ECSA class rating&lt;BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Da=
te: Tu=3D=20
esday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>The ECSA is r=
eviewing the=3D=20
=C2=A0ratings of a number of boats at their next meetin=3D3D&lt;BR>g on Jan=
uary 22, 2=3D=20
013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of boa=3D3D&lt;BR>ts/cla=
sses =3D=20
that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=3D3D&lt;BR=
>omet=3D=20
imes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3DA0I=
=3D=20
=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long=
 Isla=3D=20
nd Sound at =3D3D&lt;BR>108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to pres=
ent evi=3D=20
dence to support=20
=C2=A0this=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative=
 rating ad=3D=20
justment.=3D3DA0=3D3D20&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>The Frers 33 has done well in t=
he results, b=3D=20
ut if you look at the boats in =3D3D&lt;BR>our division who raced more than=
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=C2=A0more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Fr=3D3D&lt;BR>ers 33s are well dis=
tributed a=3D=20
cross the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I think=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;this sho=
ws main=3D=20
ly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more =3D3D&lt;BR>race=
s tha=3D=20
n any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D&lt;=
BR>ov=3D=20
erall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
=3D=20
=3D3D&lt;BR>in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more race=
s, ex=3D=20
actly i=3D3D&lt;BR>n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competit=
ive b=3D=20
oats with bett=3D3D&lt;BR>er averages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an averag=
e finis=3D=20
h 52nd,=3D3DA0the Tripp 36 =3D3D&lt;BR>average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evely=
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th and average finish of 57th.=3D3DA0&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>I'm also w=
orking on a gr=3D=20
aph of two years of races in=20
=C2=A0Pachyderm vs. the two =3D3D&lt;BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasa=
bi using t=3D=20
he recorded results for the Br=3D3D&lt;BR>anford summer series. I think thi=
s sho=3D=20
uld be an objective way of separating=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;out all other factor=
s to =3D=20
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the F=3D3D&lt;BR>rers 33. The J=
-29 f=3D=20
ractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=3D3D&lt;BR>hink I =
can s=3D=20
how that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in e=3D3D&lt;BR>=
ach b=3D=20
oat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =3D3DA0(=
=3D3D=3D=20
&lt;BR>In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&lt;BR>=
&lt;BR>&lt;B=3D=20
R>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratin=
gs, PH=3D=20
RF ratings=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;in other regions and any other ideas for presen=
ting =3D=20
our case from the flee=3D3D&lt;BR>t.=3D3DA0&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;=
BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>Edgar Smith=3D=20
&lt;BR>Pachyderm&lt;BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309&lt;BR>=
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le=3D3D3D"font: inherit;"&gt;&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&a=
mp;lt=3D=20
;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;PHRF of the Chesape=
ake=3D=20
=C2=A0rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult =3D3D&lt;BR>rating to =
sail to.&a=3D=20
mp;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&amp;nbsp;heck out of that bo=3D3D&lt;BR>=
at an=3D=20
d the crew work is impeccable.&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nb=
sp;=3D=20
=C2=A0&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;B=
R>&amp;lt;D=3D=20
IV&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;/DIV=
&gt=3D=20
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;B&=3D=20
gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt;I&gt;&amp;lt;edgar@ge=3D3D&lt;BR>omat=
rixpr=3D=20
oductions.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/I&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; wrote:&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=
=3D=20
lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,25=
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t;Sub=3D=20
ject: [&amp;lt;SPAN&gt;frers&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt=
=3D=20
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day, =3D=20
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amp;lt;D=3D=20
IV id=3D3D3Dyiv249185265&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the=
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013. =3D=20
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amp;n=3D=20
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IV&gt;&amp;=3D=20
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gt;=3D=20
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lt;BR>Message: 3=3D=20
&lt;BR>Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.=
com=3D=20
&gt;&lt;BR>From: William Thompson &amp;lt;foredeck@videotron.ca&gt;&lt;BR>S=
ubject=3D=20
: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating&lt;BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -=
050=3D=20
0&lt;BR>To:=20
=C2=A0"frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com&g=
t;&lt;BR=3D=20
>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--Boundary_(ID_=
tR3sjQBV9=3D=20
Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)&lt;BR>Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII&lt;BR>C=
ontent-t=3D=20
ransfer-encoding: 7BIT&lt;BR>&lt;BR>I race at 114 in Montreal, with a keel =
shorte=3D=20
ned to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 180 lb over the original keel w=
=3D=20
eight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me =
=3D=20
3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assigned unmodified.&lt;BR>&lt;B=
R>Will=3D=20
iam Thompson&lt;BR>Sent from my iPad&lt;BR>&lt;BR>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM=
, FRANCIS=3D=20
=C2=A0ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt; wrote:&lt;BR>&lt;BR>&gt; &lt;=
BR>&gt; Edgar,=3D=20
&lt;BR>&gt; &nbsp;&lt;BR>&gt; PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at =
114 wh=3D=20
ich is a difficult rating to sail to. &nbsp;I do okay but we sail the heck =
=3D=20
out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.&lt;BR>&gt; &nbsp;&lt;BR>&=
gt; &n=3D=20
bsp;&lt;BR>&gt; Thanks,&lt;BR>&gt; Frank Albert&lt;BR>&gt; RELENTLESS&lt;BR=
>&gt;=20
=C2=A0&lt;BR>&gt; --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrix=
producti=3D=20
ons.com&gt; wrote:&lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@g=
eomatr=3D=20
ixproductions.com&gt;&lt;BR>&gt; Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating&lt;=
BR>&gt=3D=20
; To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&gt; Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2=
012=3D=20
, 11:10 AM&lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a nu=
mber o=3D=20
f boats at their next meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a =
=3D=20
fairly routine review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous =
=3D=20
season, but the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 sec=
=3D=20
onds/mile for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eas=
=3D=20
tern Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =
=3D=20
evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative ra=
=3D=20
ting adjustment. &lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; The Frers 33 has done well in the =
result=3D=20
s, but if you look at the boats in our division who raced more than=20
=C2=A02 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well distribute=
d acr=3D=20
oss the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think this shows mainly that there are =
=3D=20
far more Frers 33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type in =
=3D=20
Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, =
=3D=20
75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats in the class average 58th among 11=
=3D=20
6 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compar=
=3D=20
es with other competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with =
=3D=20
an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 w=
=3D=20
ith and average finish of 57th. &lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; I'm also working on=
 a gra=3D=20
ph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two previous two years in our=
=3D=20
=C2=A0J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Branford summer series=
. I t=3D=20
hink this should be an objective way of separating out all other factors to=
=3D=20
=C2=A0compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29=20
=C2=A0fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I think I can s=
how t=3D=20
hat our performance against others in nearly 30 races in each boat remained=
=3D=20
=C2=A0unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. &nbsp;(In fact, =
if an=3D=20
ything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&lt;BR>&gt; &lt;BR>&gt; I'd =
like t=3D=20
o collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other =
=3D=20
regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet. &lt;BR>=
&gt=3D=20
; &lt;BR>&gt; Edgar Smith&lt;BR>&gt; Pachyderm&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--Boundary_(ID_=
tR3sjQBV9Wic=3D=20
6t0+R9DkzQ)&lt;BR>Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII&lt;BR>Conte=
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a http=3D=20
-equiv=3D3D"content-type" content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dutf-8"&gt;&am=
p;lt;/=3D=20
head&gt;&amp;lt;body dir=3D3D"auto"&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;I race at 114 in Mont=
re=3D=20
al, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 180 lb ov=
=3D=20
er the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. sai=
=3D=20
d=20
=C2=A0they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assign=
ed un=3D=20
modified.&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;William Thompson&amp;lt;div&gt;Sent fr=
=3D=20
om my iPad&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;On 2=
=3D=20
012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;&amp;lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:fx=
al=3D=20
bert@prodigy.net"&gt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;=
=3D=20
lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;blockquote type=3D3D"cite"&g=
t;=3D=20
&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;table cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=
=3D3D"=3D=20
0"&gt;&amp;lt;tbody&gt;&amp;lt;tr&gt;&amp;lt;td valign=3D3D"top" style=3D3D=
"fon=3D=20
t: inherit;"&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;=
&am=3D=20
p;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;PHRF of the Chesapeake rates t=
he =3D=20
Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.&amp;nbsp; I do okay=
=3D=20
=C2=A0but we sail the&amp;nbsp;heck out of that boat and the crew work is i=
mpecc=3D=20
able.&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;=20
=C2=A0&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;B=
R>&amp;lt;d=3D=20
iv&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;/div=
&gt=3D=20
;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;--- On &amp;lt=
;b&=3D=20
gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt;i&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;a href=3D3D"mail=
to=3D=20
:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&gt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&amp;lt;/=
=3D=20
a&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/i&gt;&amp;lt;/b&gt; wrote:&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&=
=3D=20
gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px sol=
id; P=3D=20
ADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp=
=3D=20
;lt;&amp;lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&gt;edgar@geo=
ma=3D=20
trixproductions.com&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;Subject: [&amp;lt;sp=
=3D=20
an&gt;frers&amp;lt;/span&gt;-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;br&gt;To: &amp;l=
=3D=20
t;a href=3D3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"&gt;frers-list@lists.frer=
s3=3D=20
3.com&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10=20
=C2=A0AM&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div id=3D3D"yiv249185265=
"&gt;&lt;BR>&=3D=20
amp;lt;div&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at the=
=3D=20
ir next meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine=
=3D=20
=C2=A0review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, b=
ut th=3D=20
e review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for =
=3D=20
the class.&amp;nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =
=3D=20
Long Island Sound at 108/129 and&amp;nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to pres=
=3D=20
ent evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negativ=
=3D=20
e rating adjustment.&amp;nbsp; &lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;=
/di=3D=20
v&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but i=
f y=3D=20
ou look at the boats in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in=
=3D=20
=C2=A02011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group =
1, 2,=3D=20
=C2=A06, 9, 13, 21.&amp;nbsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far=
=20
=C2=A0more Frers 33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type i=
n Div=3D=20
=C2=A01. The same story holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47=
, 75,=3D=20
=C2=A0108, 116. In overall standings boats in the class average 58th among =
116 b=3D=20
oats racing 2 or more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares =
=3D=20
with other competitive boats with better averages such as the&amp;nbsp;J-27=
=3D=20
=C2=A0with an average finish 52nd,&amp;nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55t=
h,&am=3D=20
p;nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/d=
=3D=20
iv&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/di=
v&gt;&lt;=3D=20
BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pach=
=3D=20
yderm vs. the two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded =
=3D=20
results for the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective=
=3D=20
=C2=A0way of separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the=
 the =3D=20
J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under=20
=C2=A0review. At first look, I think I can show that our performance agains=
t oth=3D=20
ers in nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the rati=
=3D=20
ngs were commensurate. &amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating =
=3D=20
is a little tougher)&amp;lt;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&am=
p;l=3D=20
t;/div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;div&gt=
;I'd like=3D=20
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 othe=3D=20
r regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet.&amp;n=
=3D=20
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ml&gt;&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)--&lt;BR>&lt;BR>-=
- __--__-- &lt;BR=3D=20
>&lt;BR>Message: 4&lt;BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)&lt;BR>=
From: Sco=3D=20
tt Marino &amp;lt;scottamarino@yahoo.com&gt;&lt;BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list=
]EC=3D=20
SA class rating&lt;BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list=
@li=3D=20
sts.frers33.com&gt;&lt;BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>&lt;=
BR>---375=3D=20
072337-321145529-1353467943=3D3D:8112&lt;BR>Content-Type: text/plain; chars=
et=3D3D=3D=20
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=C2=A0sail here, it's worse...=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A_________________=
_____________=3D=20
__=3D3D&lt;BR>=3D3D0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;=
=3D3D0ATo:=3D=20
=C2=A0frers-list@lists.frers=3D3D&lt;BR>33.com =3D3D0ASent: Tuesday, Novemb=
er 20, 2012 =3D=20
5:15 PM=3D3D0ASubject: Re: [frers-li=3D3D&lt;BR>st]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A=
=3D3D0AEdga=3D=20
r,=3D3D0A=3D3D0APHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frer=3D3D&lt;BR>s 33 at 11=
4 which i=3D=20
s a difficult rating to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sai=3D3D&lt;BR>l t=
he=3D3DA0=3D=20
heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D3D0A=3D3DA0 =3D3D0=
A=3D3D0A=3D=20
=3D3D&lt;BR>Thanks,=3D3D0AFrank Albert=3D3D0ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12=
, Edgar S=3D=20
mith &amp;lt;edgar=3D3D&lt;BR>@geomatrixproductions.com&gt; wrote:=3D3D0A=
=3D3D0A&gt;=3D=20
From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixp=3D3D&lt;BR>roductions.com&gt;=3D=
3D0A&gt=3D=20
;Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A&gt;To: frers-list=3D3D&lt;BR=
>@lists=3D=20
.frers33.com=3D3D0A&gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D3D0A&gt=
;=3D3D=3D=20
0A&gt;=3D3D0A=3D3D&lt;BR>&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number =
of boat=3D=20
s at their next meeti=3D3D&lt;BR>ng on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this=
=20
=C2=A0is a fairly routine review of bo=3D3D&lt;BR>ats/classes that have don=
e well in =3D=20
the previous season, but the review can =3D3D&lt;BR>sometimes result in an =
adjus=3D=20
tment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3DA0=3D3D&lt;BR>I believe th=
at the =3D=20
Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at=3D3D&lt;BR>&nbsp;1=
08/12=3D=20
9 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support thi=3D=
3D&lt;B=3D=20
R>s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3D=
A0=3D=20
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t;B&gt;&amp;lt;=3D3D&lt;BR>SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;Sent:&am=
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B&gt; R=3D=20
e: [=3D3D&lt;BR>frers-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;/FONT&gt;=
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;Edgar,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;=
BR>&am=3D=20
p;lt;DIV&gt;PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a dif=
=3D=20
ficult =3D3D&lt;BR>rating to sail to.&amp;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&a=
mp;nb=3D=20
sp;heck out of that bo=3D3D&lt;BR>at and the crew work is impeccable.&amp;l=
t;/DI=3D=20
V&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt=
;&amp;=3D=20
nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&a=
mp;lt;=3D=20
DIV&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;=
WBR=3D=20
&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;--- On &amp;lt;B&gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith=20
=C2=A0&amp;lt;I&gt;&amp;lt;edgar@=3D3D&lt;BR>geomatrixproductions.com&amp;g=
t;&amp;lt;=3D=20
/I&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; wrote:&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;BL=
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BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@g=
=3D=20
eomatrixproductions.=3D3D&lt;BR>com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject: [&amp;lt;=
SPAN&=3D=20
gt;frers&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;BR&gt;To: frers=3D3=
D&lt;=3D=20
BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1=
=3D=20
1:10 AM&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B=3D3D&lt;BR>R&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV id=3D3D3D=
yiv9896088=3D=20
04&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number o=
f b=3D=20
oats at their next m=3D3D&lt;BR>eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that t=
his i=3D=20
s a fairly routine review o=3D3D&lt;BR>f boats/classes that have done well =
in th=3D=20
e previous season, but the review =3D3D&lt;BR>can sometimes result in an ad=
justm=3D=20
ent of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=3D3D&lt;BR>.&amp;nbsp;I believe t=
hat t=3D=20
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lan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=3D3D&lt;BR>upport this an=
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ure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=3D3D&lt;BR>nt.&amp=
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R>s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats)=
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=C2=A0t=3D3D&lt;BR>he Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2,=
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=C2=A021.&amp;nbsp=3D3D&lt;BR>;I think this shows mainly that there are far=
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ish of 57th.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&lt;BR>&amp;lt;=
DIV&gt=3D=20
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div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><P>Regard=
ing your local PHRF experience. You have a right to appeal the local counci=
ls decision to US PHRF which is a part of US Sailing.&nbsp;You have the rig=
ht to present your numbers and also to plead your case via conference call.=
 In those cases&nbsp;the conference call includes the US PHRF rep, your loc=
al council rep and you.&nbsp;Prior to the call, you must submit race result=
s, etc etc. We have had a few of these cases and our local council was much=
 more magnanimous with regard to showing racers the&nbsp;way to appeal. If =
the local&nbsp;council rep will not help, contact US Sailing your self and =
ask for the procedure. </P>
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<P><B>From: </B>frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>To: </B>frers-li=
st@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>Sent: </B>Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:32:15 =
AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>frers-list digest, Vol 1 #597 - 1 msg<BR><BR>Send fre=
rs-list mailing list submissions to<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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l, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>When replying, pl=
ease edit your Subject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of=
 frers-list digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. Re=
: Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR><BR>--__--=
__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:30:05 -0800 (PST)<BR>Fr=
om: FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-=
list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs<BR>To: frers-list@lists.fre=
rs33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>---1654260983-998=
698336-1353515405=3D:9309<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1=
<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>The message from our=
 friend in the mid-west was a nice message.=3DA0 Let me t=3D<BR>ell you my =
tale.<BR>=3DA0<BR>I owned a CS 30 (not a fast boat).=3DA0 I had a PHRF of 1=
49.=3DA0 Lowest in the=3D<BR>&nbsp;nation.=3DA0 I sent a letter to PHRF of =
the Chesapeake (yes I am naming name=3D<BR>s).=3DA0 The letter had an endor=
sement from the local UK Sail maker who had s=3D<BR>ailed with us a number =
of times.=3DA0 It also had results from a years worth =3D<BR>of racing both=
.=3DA0 Mark racing and point to point long races.=3DA0 It showed =3D<BR>the=
 various handicaps around the country.=3DA0 I asked for a 9 second increas=
=3D<BR>e to my PHRF.=3DA0 I was denied.=3DA0 I called my PHRF rep.=3DA0 We =
talked, he to=3D<BR>ld me if I wasn't buying all new sails every year I had=
 no business racing.=3D<BR>=3DA0 I hung up.=3DA0=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>I called =
my sail maker and told him I'd been refused.=3DA0 He said he would t=3D<BR>=
alk to them.=3DA0 The next day I had 6 seconds added to my PHRF.=3DA0 A sad=
, sa=3D<BR>d story about PHRF of the Chesapeake.<BR>=3DA0<BR>Frank Albert<B=
R><BR>--- On Wed, 11/21/12, fwitt1@comcast.net &amp;lt;fwitt1@comcast.net&g=
t; wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: fwitt1@comcast.net &amp;lt;fwitt1@comcast.net&gt=
;<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs<BR>To:=
 frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 12:32 =
AM<BR><BR><BR><BR>#yiv1543362934 p {margin:0;}<BR><BR><BR><BR>Edgar,<BR>=3D=
A0<BR>I am on the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representing =
my clu=3D<BR>b amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet=
 during the o=3D<BR>ff season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boa=
ts based upon altera=3D<BR>tions to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of rat=
ings. So there are a few ti=3D<BR>ps I can provide to present to your local=
 PHRF council.=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>First of all, supplying individual race res=
ults is the single most importan=3D<BR>t thing you can do to support your c=
ase. Find out from the local council ju=3D<BR>st how thay want that informa=
tion presented. Our council has a excel spread=3D<BR>&nbsp;sheet format, al=
ong with the Excel program that they will provide for appe=3D<BR>llants.=3D=
20<BR>=3DA0<BR>Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of t=
he fleet skippe=3D<BR>rs to present your case in person. The fact that you =
are "buttoned up" with=3D<BR>&nbsp;numbers and appear in person=3DA0is impo=
rtant.=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy=
 r protecting the fleet.=3D<BR>&nbsp;Councils usually have a few boats that=
 they have a lot of history on, and =3D<BR>whose performance is a known fac=
tor. They use these boats to judge your per=3D<BR>formance rating. In our c=
ouncil, one=3DA0such boats is the J 35. Any time you=3D<BR>&nbsp;get to com=
pare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports your ca=3D<BR>se, =
should be highlighted.=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>Fourth, Try not to use other venues=
 as a rationale for your rating, partly =3D<BR>because local councils don't=
 like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings. Some=3D<BR>times this reflects a=
 parochial attitude about their council, and other tim=3D<BR>es because=3DA=
0there are significant differences between San Francisco as it =3D<BR>is=3D=
A0known as a high wind venue, and San=3DA0Diego as a less windy. Long Isla=
=3D<BR>nd is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Another iss=
ue is c=3D<BR>omparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float =
higher and the=3D<BR>refore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater=
=3DA0boats.=3DA0Another th=3D<BR>ing you may want to research for the meeti=
ng is the ratings of similar boat=3D<BR>s under the IMS ratings. Although t=
hey don't like to admit it, the technica=3D<BR>l sub committee of the counc=
ils will often look at comparisons of these rat=3D<BR>ings compared to simi=
lar boats (like the J 35) to determine if your rating =3D<BR>appears to be =
in line.=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By=
 the way, my rating is 108=3D<BR>, which was adjusted downward=3DA0 before =
I purchased my boat, from a 114.<BR>=3DA0<BR>Your secret pal in the Midwest=
.<BR>=3DA0<BR>FW<BR>=3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR>From: frers-list-request@lists.fre=
rs33.com<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Sent: Tuesday, November 20,=
 2012 9:21:03 PM<BR>Subject: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595 - 4 msgs<BR><BR>=
Send frers-list mailing list submissions to<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3D=
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 via the World Wide Web, visit<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0h=
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, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA=
0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>You can reach t=
he person managing the list at<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0f=
rers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>When replying, please edit your Su=
bject line so it is more specific<BR>than "Re: Contents of frers-list diges=
t..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR>=3DA0=3DA0 1. ECSA class rating (Ed=
gar Smith)<BR>=3DA0=3DA0 2. Re: ECSA class rating (FRANCIS ALBERT)<BR>=3DA0=
=3DA0 3. Re: ECSA class rating (William Thompson)<BR>=3DA0=3DA0 4. Re: ECSA=
 class rating (Scott Marino)<BR><BR>-- __--__-- <BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>From:=
 Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt;<BR>Date: Tue, 20 No=
v 2012 11:10:47 -0500<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: [frer=
s-list]ECSA class rating<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR><=
BR>--Apple-Mail-2--688990298<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=
<BR>Content-Type: text/plain;<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0ch=
arset=3D3Dus-ascii<BR><BR>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of =
boats at their next =3D3D<BR>meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that thi=
s is a fairly routine =3D3D<BR>review of boats/classes that have done well =
in the previous season, but =3D3D<BR>the review can sometimes result in an =
adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>for the class. I believe=
 that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =3D3D<BR>Long Island Sound at=
 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D3D<BR>evidence to supp=
ort this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ra=
ting adjustment.=3D3D20<BR><BR>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, b=
ut if you look at the boats =3D3D<BR>in our division who raced more than 2 =
or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D3D<BR>the Frers 33s are well distribut=
ed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D3D<BR>I think this shows mainly =
that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D3D<BR>doing more races than=
 any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>for the=
 ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall =3D3D<BR>s=
tandings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or =3D3D<=
BR>more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other =3D=
3D<BR>competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with an avera=
ge =3D3D<BR>finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 =
with and =3D3D<BR>average finish of 57th.=3D3D20<BR><BR>I'm also working on=
 a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3D<BR>two previous t=
wo years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=
the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D3=
D<BR>separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-2=
9 =3D3D<BR>Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under re=
view. At =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>first look, I think I can show that our performanc=
e against others in =3D3D<BR>nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchange=
d, suggesting the ratings =3D3D<BR>were commensurate. =3DA0(In fact, if any=
thing the Frers 33 rating is a =3D3D<BR>little tougher)<BR><BR>I'd like to =
collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF =3D3D<BR>ratings in=
 other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =3D3D<BR>from th=
e fleet.=3D3D20<BR><BR>Edgar Smith<BR>Pachyderm=3D3D<BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-2-=
-688990298<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR>Content-Type: =
text/html;<BR>=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0=3DA0charset=3D3Dus-ascii<=
BR><BR>&amp;lt;html&gt;&amp;lt;head&gt;&amp;lt;/head&gt;&amp;lt;body style=
=3D3D3D"word-wrap: break-word; =3D3D<BR>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-l=
ine-break: after-white-space; "&gt;The =3D3D<BR>ECSA is reviewing the ratin=
gs of a number of boats at their next meeting =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>on January 22=
, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of =3D3D<BR>boats/cla=
sses that have done well in the previous season, but the review =3D<BR>=3D3=
D<BR>can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the =
=3D3D<BR>class.&amp;nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eas=
tern Long =3D3D<BR>Island Sound at 108/129 and&amp;nbsp;plan to go to the m=
eeting to present =3D3D<BR>evidence to support this and insure we don't get=
 an unwarranted negative =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>rating adjustment.&amp;nbsp;&amp;l=
t;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;The Frers 33 has do=
=3D<BR>ne well =3D3D<BR>in the results, but if you look at the boats in our=
 division who raced =3D3D<BR>more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =
the Frers 33s are well =3D3D<BR>distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13=
, 21.&amp;nbsp;I think this shows =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>mainly that there are far=
 more Frers 33s racing and doing more races =3D3D<BR>than any other boat ty=
pe in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D3D<BR>overall results at =
2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =3D3D<BR>boats in the cla=
ss average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, =3D3D<BR>exactly in=
 the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive =3D3D<BR>boats w=
ith better averages such as the&amp;nbsp;J-27 with an average finish =3D3D<=
BR>52nd,&amp;nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&amp;nbsp;the Evelyn 32-=
2 with =3D3D<BR>and average finish of 57th.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;l=
t;div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>lt;div&gt=
;I'm also =3D3D<BR>working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs=
. the two =3D3D<BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded=
 results for the =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>Branford summer series. I think this shoul=
d be an objective way of =3D3D<BR>separating out all other factors to compa=
re the ratings of the the J-29 =3D3D<BR>Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 frac=
tional rating is not under review. At =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>first look, I think I=
 can show that our performance against others in =3D3D<BR>nearly 30 races i=
n each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D3D<BR>were commen=
surate. &amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D3D<BR>l=
ittle tougher)&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;=
&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;I'd=3D<BR>&nbsp;like to collec=
t =3D3D<BR>other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other=
 regions =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>and any other ideas for presenting our case from t=
he =3D3D<BR>fleet.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&a=
mp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;span class=3D3D3D"Apple-style-span"=
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rmal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =3D3D<BR>line-height: no=
rmal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: =3D3D<BR>0px; text=
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ertical-spacing: 0px; =3D3D<BR>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -w=
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yle=3D3D3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>rgb(0, 0, 0); =
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normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizo=
ntal-spacing: =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =
=3D3D<BR>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust=
: =3D3D<BR>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "&gt;&amp;lt;div style=3D3=
D3D"word-wrap: =3D3D<BR>break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-=
break: =3D3D<BR>after-white-space; "&gt;&amp;lt;span class=3D3D3D"Apple-sty=
le-span" =3D3D<BR>style=3D3D3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); font-variant: =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-heig=
ht: normal; orphans: 2; =3D3D<BR>text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; wh=
ite-space: normal; widows: 2; =3D3D<BR>word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-ho=
rizontal-spacing: 0px; =3D3D<BR>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =3D3D=
<BR>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =3D=
3D<BR>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "&gt;&amp;lt;div style=3D3D3D"w=
ord-wrap: =3D3D<BR>break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break=
: =3D3D<BR>after-white-space; "&gt;&amp;lt;font class=3D3D3D"Apple-style-sp=
an" =3D3D<BR>face=3D3D3D"Arial"&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;Edgar =3D3D<BR>Smith&amp;=
lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;Pachyderm&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/font&gt;&amp;lt=
;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/span&gt;&amp;lt;/d=3D<BR>iv&gt;&amp;lt;/span&gt;&amp;lt;/=
span&gt;&amp;lt;/d=3D3D<BR>iv&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/d=
iv&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/body&gt;&amp;lt;/html&gt;=3D=
3D<BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-2--688990298--<BR><BR><BR>-- __--__-- <BR><BR>Messag=
e: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBERT=
 &amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class ra=
ting<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frer=
s33.com<BR><BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309<BR>Content-Typ=
e: text/plain; charset=3D3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-=
printable<BR><BR>Edgar,<BR>=3D3DA0<BR>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frer=
s 33 at 114 which is a difficult ratin=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>g to sail to.=3D3DA0 =
I do okay but we sail the=3D3DA0heck out of that boat and =3D<BR>the =3D3D<=
BR>crew work is impeccable.<BR>=3D3DA0=3D3D20<BR>=3D3DA0<BR>Thanks,<BR>Fran=
k Albert<BR>RELENTLESS<BR><BR>--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edg=
ar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt; wrote=3D<BR>:<BR><BR><BR>From: Edgar Smith =
&amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt;<BR>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA cla=
ss rating<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20=
, 2012, 11:10 AM<BR><BR><BR><BR>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a numb=
er of boats at their next meetin=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>g on January 22, 2013. I'm =
told that this is a fairly routine review of boa=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ts/classes =
that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=3D<BR>=3D3=
D<BR>ometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=
.=3D3DA=3D<BR>0I=3D3D<BR>=3DA0believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in =
Eastern Long Island Sound a=3D<BR>t =3D3D<BR>108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go t=
o the meeting to present evidence to support th=3D<BR>is=3D3D<BR>=3DA0and i=
nsure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3DA0=3D<BR>=
=3D3D20<BR><BR><BR>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you lo=
ok at the boats in =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>our division who raced more than 2 or mo=
re races in 2011, (21 boats) the Fr=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ers 33s are well distrib=
uted across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I thi=3D<BR>nk=3D3D<BR>=3DA=
0this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing mor=
=3D<BR>e =3D3D<BR>races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story h=
olds for the ECSA =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108=
, 116. In overall standings boats =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>in the class average 58th=
 among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>n the 50t=
h percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=3D<BR>=
=3D3D<BR>er averages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3D=
3DA0the Tripp=3D<BR>&nbsp;36 =3D3D<BR>average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn=
 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=3D<BR>=3D3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR>I'm als=
o working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =3D<BR>=
=3D3D<BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results f=
or the Br=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>anford summer series. I think this should be an ob=
jective way of separating=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0out all other factors to comp=
are the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the=3D<BR>&nbsp;F=3D3D<BR>rers 33. =
The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=3D<BR>=
=3D3D<BR>hink I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 r=
aces in e=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ach boat remained unchanged, suggesting the rating=
s were commensurate. =3D3DA=3D<BR>0(=3D3D<BR>In fact, if anything the Frers=
 33 rating is a little tougher)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I'd like to collect othe=
r supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0in =
other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fl=3D<BR=
>ee=3D3D<BR>t.=3D3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Edgar Smith<BR>Pachyderm<B=
R>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309<BR>Content-Type: text/html;=
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BR>&amp;lt;table cellspacing=3D3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D3D"0" border=3D3D3D"=
0" &gt;&amp;lt;tr&gt;&amp;l=3D<BR>t;td valign=3D3D3D"=3D3D<BR>top" style=3D=
3D3D"font: inherit;"&gt;&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DI=
V&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;PHRF of the Chesapeake ra=
tes the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=3D<BR>lt =3D3D<BR>rating to sail=
 to.&amp;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&amp;nbsp;heck out of that bo=3D<BR=
>=3D3D<BR>at and the crew work is impeccable.&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DI=
V&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&g=
t;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Frank Albert=
&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;--=
- On &amp;lt;B&gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt=3D<BR>;I&gt;&amp;lt;ed=
gar@ge=3D3D<BR>omatrixproductions.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/I&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; w=
rote:&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORD=
ER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=3D<BR>FT: 5=3D3D<BR>px; MARGI=
N-LEFT: 5px"&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixprod=
uctio=3D<BR>ns.=3D3D<BR>com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject: [&amp;lt;SPAN&gt;=
frers&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;=3D<BR>BR&gt;To: frers=
=3D3D<BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2=
012, 11:10 AM&amp;lt=3D<BR>;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B=3D3D<BR>R&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV id=
=3D3D3Dyiv249185265&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings=
 of a number of boats at their nex=3D<BR>t m=3D3D<BR>eeting on January 22, =
2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>f boat=
s/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =3D<BR=
>=3D3D<BR>can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for=
 the class=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>.&amp;nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly =
rated in Eastern Long Island S=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ound at 108/129 and&amp;nbsp;=
plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>upport th=
is and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=3D<BR>=
=3D3D<BR>nt.&amp;nbsp;=3D3D20<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&=
gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you=
 look at the b=3D<BR>oat=3D3D<BR>s in our division who raced more than 2 or=
 more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33s are well dist=
ributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&amp;nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>;I thi=
nk this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=3D<BR=
>=3D3D<BR>ng more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story h=
olds for t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108=
, 116. In overall standing=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>s boats in the class average 58th=
 among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>xactly in the 50t=
h percentile. This compares with other competitive boats w=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>i=
th better averages such as the&amp;nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&a=
mp;nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&amp;nbsp;the Evel=
yn 32-2 with and average fi=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>nish of 57th.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/=
DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;=
<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pac=
hyderm vs. =3D<BR>the=3D3D<BR>=3DA0two previous two years in our J-29 Wasab=
i using the recorded results for=3D<BR>&nbsp;t=3D3D<BR>he Branford summer s=
eries. I think this should be an objective way of separ=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>atin=
g out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =3D<=
BR>=3D3D<BR>the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. A=
t first look=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>, I think I can show that our performance again=
st others in nearly 30 races=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0in each boat remained unch=
anged, suggesting the ratings were commensurat=3D<BR>e.=3D3D<BR>=3DA0&amp;n=
bsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&amp;lt;=
=3D<BR>/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt=
;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I'd like to collect other sup=
porting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=3D<BR>&nbsp;ra=3D3D<BR>tings in othe=
r regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=3D<BR>=3D3D<=
BR>=3DA0fleet.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;<B=
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;<BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309--<BR><BR>-- __--__-- <BR=
><BR>Message: 3<BR>Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com&gt;<BR>From: William Thompson &amp;lt;foredeck@videotron.ca=
&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 201=
2 21:31:32 -0500<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list@l=
ists.frers33.com&gt;<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR><BR>-=
-Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)<BR>Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=
=3D3DUS-ASCII<BR>Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT<BR><BR>I race at 114 in Mo=
ntreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making =3D<BR>an additiona=
l 180 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley =3D<BR>Yacht=
 Racing Assoc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 the=3D<B=
R>y would have assigned unmodified.<BR><BR>William Thompson<BR>Sent from my=
 iPad<BR><BR>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalbert@pro=
digy.net&gt; wrote:<BR><BR>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; Edgar,<BR>&gt; =3DA0<BR>&gt; P=
HRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rat=3D=
<BR>ing to sail to. =3DA0I do okay but we sail the heck out of that boat an=
d the =3D<BR>crew work is impeccable.<BR>&gt; =3DA0<BR>&gt; =3DA0<BR>&gt; T=
hanks,<BR>&gt; Frank Albert<BR>&gt; RELENTLESS<BR>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; --- On =
Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&gt; wro=
=3D<BR>te:<BR>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixpr=
oductions.com&gt;<BR>&gt; Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>&gt; To=
: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>&gt; Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11=
:10 AM<BR>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number o=
f boats at their next meet=3D<BR>ing on January 22, 2013. I'm told that thi=
s is a fairly routine review of b=3D<BR>oats/classes that have done well in=
 the previous season, but the review can=3D<BR>&nbsp;sometimes result in an=
 adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class. I=3D<BR>&nbsp;believe th=
at the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at =3D<BR>108/=
129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support this a=3D<=
BR>nd insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D20<B=
R>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you l=
ook at the boats i=3D<BR>n our division who raced more than 2 or more races=
 in 2011, (21 boats) the =3D<BR>Frers 33s are well distributed across the g=
roup 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think=3D<BR>&nbsp;this shows mainly that there a=
re far more Frers 33s racing and doing more =3D<BR>races than any other boa=
t type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D<BR>overall results a=
t 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =3D<BR>in the cla=
ss average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=3D<BR>n t=
he 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=3D=
<BR>er averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 =
aver=3D<BR>age finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th=
.=3D20<BR>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; I'm also working on a graph of two years of rac=
es in Pachyderm vs. the tw=3D<BR>o previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi us=
ing the recorded results for the =3D<BR>Branford summer series. I think thi=
s should be an objective way of separati=3D<BR>ng out all other factors to =
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the=3D<BR>&nbsp;Frers 33. The J=
-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I=3D<BR>&nbsp;thi=
nk I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in=3D<=
BR>&nbsp;each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensu=
rate. =3D<BR>=3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tou=
gher)<BR>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; I'd like to collect other supporting data such a=
s IRC ratings, PHRF ratin=3D<BR>gs in other regions and any other ideas for=
 presenting our case from the fl=3D<BR>eet.=3D20<BR>&gt;=3D20<BR>&gt; Edgar=
 Smith<BR>&gt; Pachyderm<BR><BR>--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)<BR>C=
ontent-type: text/html; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII<BR>Content-transfer-encoding: =
7BIT<BR><BR>&amp;lt;html&gt;&amp;lt;head&gt;&amp;lt;meta http-equiv=3D3D"co=
ntent-type" content=3D3D"text/html=3D<BR>; charset=3D3Dutf-8"&gt;&amp;lt;/h=
ead&gt;&amp;lt;body dir=3D3D"auto"&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;I race at 114 in=3D<BR=
>&nbsp;Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additio=
nal 18=3D<BR>0 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yac=
ht Racing Ass=3D<BR>oc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111=
 they would have ass=3D<BR>igned unmodified.&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;Wil=
liam Thompson&amp;lt;div&gt;Sent from my iPad&amp;lt=3D<BR>;/div&gt;&amp;lt=
;/div&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS AL=
BERT &amp;lt=3D<BR>;&amp;lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net"&gt;fxa=
lbert@prodigy.net&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;=3D<BR>&nbsp;wrote:&amp;lt;br&gt;&am=
p;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;blockquote type=3D3D"cite"&gt;&amp;lt;di=
v&gt;&amp;lt;tabl=3D<BR>e cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=3D=
3D"0"&gt;&amp;lt;tbody&gt;&amp;lt;tr&gt;&amp;lt;td =3D<BR>valign=3D3D"top" =
style=3D3D"font: inherit;"&gt;&amp;lt;div&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp=
;lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;PHRF of the Chesape=
ake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=3D<BR>lt rating to sail to=
.&amp;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&amp;nbsp;heck out of that=3D<BR>&nbsp=
;boat and the crew work is impeccable.&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&a=
mp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&=
amp;lt;div&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt=
;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;--- On &a=
mp;lt;b&gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;lt=3D<BR>;i&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;a=
 href=3D3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&gt;edgar@geomatrix=3D<BR>=
productions.com&amp;lt;/a&gt;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/i&gt;&amp;lt;/b&gt; wrote:&am=
p;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: r=
gb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT=3D<BR>: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&gt;&am=
p;lt;br&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;&amp;lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:=3D<BR>edga=
r@geomatrixproductions.com"&gt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&amp;lt;/a&gt;=
&amp;gt;&amp;l=3D<BR>t;br&gt;Subject: [&amp;lt;span&gt;frers&amp;lt;/span&g=
t;-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;br&gt;To: &amp;l=3D<BR>t;a href=3D3D"mailt=
o:frers-list@lists.frers33.com"&gt;frers-list@lists.frers33.c=3D<BR>om&amp;=
lt;/a&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&amp;lt;br=
&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div id=3D3D"yiv249185265"&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&=
gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=3D<B=
R>t meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine rev=
ie=3D<BR>w of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but=
 the revi=3D<BR>ew can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds=
/mile for the cl=3D<BR>ass.&amp;nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly =
rated in Eastern Long Islan=3D<BR>d Sound at 108/129 and&amp;nbsp;plan to g=
o to the meeting to present evidence t=3D<BR>o support this and insure we d=
on't get an unwarranted negative rating adjus=3D<BR>tment.&amp;nbsp;=3D20<B=
R>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;The Frers=
 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=3D<BR>oats in ou=
r division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats=3D<BR>) t=
he Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&amp;=
n=3D<BR>bsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s rac=
ing and =3D<BR>doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same=
 story holds fo=3D<BR>r the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108,=
 116. In overall stand=3D<BR>ings boats in the class average 58th among 116=
 boats racing 2 or more races=3D<BR>, exactly in the 50th percentile. This =
compares with other competitive boat=3D<BR>s with better averages such as t=
he&amp;nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&amp;n=3D<BR>bsp;the Tripp 36 =
average finish 55th,&amp;nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average=3D<BR>&nbsp;=
finish of 57th.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div=
&gt;&amp;lt;br&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;I'm also working on a =
graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =3D<BR>the two previous two ye=
ars in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results fo=3D<BR>r the Branford s=
ummer series. I think this should be an objective way of se=3D<BR>parating =
out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac =3D<BR>vs=
 the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first l=
=3D<BR>ook, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearl=
y 30 ra=3D<BR>ces in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings w=
ere commensura=3D<BR>te. &amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 ratin=
g is a little tougher)&amp;lt=3D<BR>;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;br&=
gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt=
;I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=3D<BR>=
&nbsp;ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =
from =3D<BR>the fleet.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;=
br&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;span style=3D3D"WIDOWS:=
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=3D<BR>IDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0=
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WS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px=3D<BR>;=
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-word"&gt;&amp;lt;font class=3D3D"yiv249185265Apple=3D<BR>-style-span" face=
=3D3D"Arial"&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;div&gt;Edgar Smith&amp;lt;/div&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;d=
iv&gt;Pachyderm&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/font&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/sp=
an&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/span&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>lt;/span&gt;&amp;lt;/div=
&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt=
;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/div&gt;&amp;lt=3D<BR>;/div&gt;&amp;lt;/blockquote&gt;&amp=
;lt;/td&gt;&amp;lt;/tr&gt;&amp;lt;/tbody&gt;&amp;lt;/table&gt;&amp;lt;/div&=
gt;&amp;lt;/b=3D<BR>lockquote&gt;&amp;lt;/body&gt;&amp;lt;/html&gt;<BR><BR>=
--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)--<BR><BR>-- __--__-- <BR><BR>Message=
: 4<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)<BR>From: Scott Marino &a=
mp;lt;scottamarino@yahoo.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rat=
ing<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.=
com&gt;<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>---375072337-32114=
5529-1353467943=3D3D:8112<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D3Diso-8859=
-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Don't sail here, i=
t's worse...=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A_________________________=3D<BR>___=
____=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;=
=3D3D0ATo: frers-list@list=3D<BR>s.frers=3D3D<BR>33.com =3D3D0ASent: Tuesda=
y, November 20, 2012 5:15 PM=3D3D0ASubject: Re: [frer=3D<BR>s-li=3D3D<BR>st=
]ECSA class rating=3D3D0A=3D3D0AEdgar,=3D3D0A=3D3D0APHRF of the Chesapeake =
rates =3D<BR>the Frer=3D3D<BR>s 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sa=
il to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we s=3D<BR>ai=3D3D<BR>l the=3D3DA0heck out of t=
hat boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D3D0A=3D3DA0 =3D<BR>=3D3D0A=3D3D=
0A=3D3D<BR>Thanks,=3D3D0AFrank Albert=3D3D0ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12,=
 Edgar Smith &amp;l=3D<BR>t;edgar=3D3D<BR>@geomatrixproductions.com&gt; wro=
te:=3D3D0A=3D3D0A&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@geo=3D<BR>matrixp=3D3D=
<BR>roductions.com&gt;=3D3D0A&gt;Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D3=
D0A&gt;To: frers-=3D<BR>list=3D3D<BR>@lists.frers33.com=3D3D0A&gt;Date: Tue=
sday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D3D0A&gt;=3D3D=3D<BR>0A&gt;=3D3D0A=3D3D<=
BR>&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next=
 meeti=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ng on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairl=
y routine review of bo=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ats/classes that have done well in th=
e previous season, but the review can =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>sometimes result in a=
n adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3D=3D<BR>A0=3D3D<BR>I=
 believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at=
=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present=
 evidence to support=3D<BR>&nbsp;thi=3D3D<BR>s and insure we don't get an u=
nwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D3DA0 =3D<BR>=3D3D0A=3D3D<BR>&gt;Th=
e Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in=3D=
<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011,=
 (21 boats) the=3D<BR>&nbsp;F=3D3D<BR>rers 33s are well distributed across =
the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I th=3D<BR>in=3D3D<BR>k this shows main=
ly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=
=3DA0races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the =
EC=3D<BR>SA=3D3D<BR>=3DA0overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In=
 overall standings boa=3D<BR>ts=3D3D<BR>=3DA0in the class average 58th amon=
g 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactl=3D<BR>y =3D3D<BR>in the 50th per=
centile. This compares with other competitive boats with bet=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR=
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 Trip=3D<BR>p 36=3D3D<BR>=3DA0average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 wi=
th and average finish of 57th=3D<BR>.=3D3DA0=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0A&gt;I'm also wo=
rking on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. th=3D<BR>e =3D3D<BR=
>two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for t=
h=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>e Branford summer series. I think this should be an object=
ive way of separa=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ting out all other factors to compare the =
ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33. The J-29 frac=
tional rating is not under review. At first look,=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0I thi=
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is a little tougher)=3D3D0A&gt;I'=3D<BR>d li=3D3D<BR>ke to collect other su=
pporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in ot=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>her re=
gions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet.=3D3DA=3D<=
BR>0=3D3D<BR>=3D3D0A&gt;Edgar Smith=3D3D0A&gt;Pachyderm=3D20<BR>---37507233=
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amp;lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"RIGHT: auto"&gt;Don't sail here, it's worse...&amp=
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rom:=3D3D<BR>&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;lt;fxalber=
t@prodigy.net&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>lt;SPAN style=
=3D3D<BR>=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;To:&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; f=
rers-list@lists.frers33.com =3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B&gt;&amp;lt;=3D3D=
<BR>SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;Sent:&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;&amp;lt;/=
B&gt; Tuesday, November=3D<BR>&nbsp;20, 201=3D3D<BR>2 5:15 PM&amp;lt;BR&gt;=
&amp;lt;B&gt;&amp;lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&gt;Subject:&amp;l=
t;/S=3D<BR>PAN&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; Re: [=3D3D<BR>frers-list]ECSA class rating=
&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;/FONT&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;D=
IV id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;TABLE border=3D3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D=
3D3D0 cellPadding=3D3D3D0&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;TBODY&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;TR&gt;<BR>&am=
p;lt;TD vAlign=3D3D3Dtop&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;PHRF of the Chesa=
peake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=3D<BR>lt =3D3D<BR>rating=
 to sail to.&amp;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&amp;nbsp;heck out of that =
bo=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>at and the crew work is impeccable.&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;l=
t;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Fran=
k Albert&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&amp;lt=
;WBR&gt;--- On &amp;lt;B&gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;=3D<BR>lt;I&gt;=
&amp;lt;edgar@=3D3D<BR>geomatrixproductions.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/I&gt;&amp;l=
t;/B&gt; wrote:&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=
=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=3D<BR>FT: 5=3D3D<=
BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;lt;edgar@g=
eomatrixproductio=3D<BR>ns.=3D3D<BR>com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject: [&amp=
;lt;SPAN&gt;frers&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;=3D<BR>BR&=
gt;To: frers=3D3D<BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tuesday, No=
vember 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&amp;lt=3D<BR>;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B=3D3D<BR>R&gt;<BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The ECSA is reviewing=
 the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=3D<BR>t m=3D3D<BR>eeting on =
January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=3D<BR>=3D=
3D<BR>f boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the r=
eview =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seco=
nds/mile for the class=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>.&amp;nbsp;I believe that the Frers 3=
3 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ound at 108/129 a=
nd&amp;nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=3D<BR>=3D3D<=
BR>upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjus=
tme=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>nt.&amp;nbsp;=3D3D20<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&a=
mp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The Frers 33 has done well in the results,=
 but if you look at the b=3D<BR>oat=3D3D<BR>s in our division who raced mor=
e than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he Frers 33s ar=
e well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&amp;nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3=
D<BR>;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing an=
d doi=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>ng more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The s=
ame story holds for t=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, =
47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>s boats in the class a=
verage 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>xactly=
 in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats w=3D<BR=
>=3D3D<BR>ith better averages such as the&amp;nbsp;J-27 with an average fin=
ish 52nd,&amp;nbsp=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&amp;nb=
sp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>nish of 57th.&amp;nbs=
p;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&amp=
;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I'm also working on a graph of two years of =
races in Pachyderm vs. =3D<BR>the=3D3D<BR>=3DA0two previous two years in ou=
r J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for=3D<BR>&nbsp;t=3D3D<BR>he Branf=
ord summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separ=3D<BR>=
=3D3D<BR>ating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29=
 Frac vs =3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not un=
der review. At first look=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>, I think I can show that our perf=
ormance against others in nearly 30 races=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0in each boat =
remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurat=3D<BR>e.=3D3D<B=
R>=3DA0&amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little toug=
her)&amp;lt;=3D<BR>/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;WBR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&g=
t;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I'd like to coll=
ect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=3D<BR>&nbsp;ra=3D3D<BR>=
tings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=
=3D<BR>=3D3D<BR>=3DA0fleet.&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&am=
p;lt;WBR&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D=
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&amp;lt;tr&gt;&amp;lt;td valign=3D3D"=3D<BR>top" style=3D3D"font: inherit;"=
&gt;&amp;lt;DIV&gt;The message from our friend in the mid-w=3D<BR>est was a=
 nice message.&amp;nbsp; Let me tell you my tale.&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;l=
t;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I owned a CS 30 (not =
a fast boat).&amp;nbsp; I had a PHRF of 149.&amp;nbsp; Lo=3D<BR>west in the=
 nation.&amp;nbsp; I sent a letter to PHRF of the Chesapeake (yes I =3D<BR>=
am naming names).&amp;nbsp; The letter had an endorsement from the local UK=
 Sai=3D<BR>l maker who had sailed with us a number of times.&amp;nbsp; It a=
lso had results=3D<BR>&nbsp;from a years worth of racing both.&amp;nbsp; Ma=
rk racing and point to point lo=3D<BR>ng races.&amp;nbsp; It showed the var=
ious handicaps around the country.&amp;nbsp; I=3D<BR>&nbsp;asked for a 9 se=
cond increase to my PHRF.&amp;nbsp; I was denied.&amp;nbsp; I call=3D<BR>ed=
 my PHRF rep.&amp;nbsp; We talked, he told me if I wasn't buying all new sa=
il=3D<BR>s every year I had no business racing.&amp;nbsp; I hung up.&amp;nb=
sp; &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;l=
t;DIV&gt;I called my sail maker and told him I'd been refused.&amp;nbsp; He=
 said he=3D<BR>&nbsp;would talk to them.&amp;nbsp; The next day I had 6 sec=
onds added to my PHRF.&amp;n=3D<BR>bsp; A sad, sad story about PHRF of the =
Chesapeake.&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR=
>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;--- On &amp;lt;B&gt=
;Wed, 11/21/12, fwitt1@comcast.net &amp;lt;I&gt;&amp;lt=3D<BR>;fwitt1@comca=
st.net&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/I&gt;&amp;lt;/B&gt; wrote:&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV=
&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid=
; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;From: fwitt1=
@comcast.net &amp;lt;fwitt1@comcast.net&amp;g=3D<BR>t;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject=
: [&amp;lt;SPAN&gt;frers&amp;lt;/SPAN&gt;-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1=
 #595 -=3D<BR>&nbsp;4 msgs&amp;lt;BR&gt;To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&am=
p;lt;BR&gt;Date: Wednesday, November 21=3D<BR>, 2012, 12:32 AM&amp;lt;BR&gt=
;&amp;lt;BR&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV id=3D3Dyiv1543362934&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;STYLE ty=
pe=3D3Dtext/css&gt;#yiv1543362934 p {margin:0;}&amp;lt;/STYLE&gt;<BR><BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #000000;=
 FONT-SIZE: 12pt"&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;D=
IV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;I am on the local PHRF c=
ouncil, which shall go unnamed, representing m=3D<BR>y club amongst the man=
y in our local race venues. We routinely meet during =3D<BR>the off season =
to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon a=3D<BR>lteratio=
ns to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a f=3D<BR>e=
w tips I can provide to present to your local PHRF council. &amp;lt;/DIV&gt=
;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;First of a=
ll, supplying individual race results is the single most imp=3D<BR>ortant t=
hing you can do to support your case. Find out from the local counc=3D<BR>i=
l just how thay want that information presented. Our council has a excel s=
=3D<BR>pread sheet format, along with the Excel program that they will prov=
ide for=3D<BR>&nbsp;appellants. &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbs=
p;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Second, If they will let you attend, t=
ry to bring a few of the fleet s=3D<BR>kippers to present your case in pers=
on. The fact that you are "buttoned up"=3D<BR>&nbsp;with numbers and appear=
 in person&amp;nbsp;is important. &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;n=
bsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Third, realize that most councils ha=
ve a philosophy r protecting the f=3D<BR>leet. Councils usually have a few =
boats that they have a lot of history on,=3D<BR>&nbsp;and whose performance=
 is a known factor. They use these boats to judge you=3D<BR>r performance r=
ating. In our council, one&amp;nbsp;such boats is the J 35. Any =3D<BR>time=
 you get to compare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports=3D<=
BR>&nbsp;your case, should be highlighted. &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&=
gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Fourth, Try not to use othe=
r venues as a rationale for your rating, pa=3D<BR>rtly because local counci=
ls don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings.=3D<BR>&nbsp;Sometimes th=
is reflects a parochial attitude about their council, and othe=3D<BR>r time=
s because&amp;nbsp;there are significant differences between San Francisc=
=3D<BR>o as it is&amp;nbsp;known as a high wind venue, and San&amp;nbsp;Die=
go as a less wi=3D<BR>ndy. Long Island is known-at least in my council-as a=
 light wind area. Anot=3D<BR>her issue is comparing salt water ratings vs f=
resh water. Your boats float =3D<BR>higher and therefore have somewhat less=
 wetted area than freshwater&amp;nbsp;bo=3D<BR>ats.&amp;nbsp;Another thing =
you may want to research for the meeting is the rat=3D<BR>ings of similar b=
oats under the IMS ratings. Although they don't like to ad=3D<BR>mit it, th=
e technical sub committee of the councils will often look at comp=3D<BR>ari=
sons of these ratings compared to similar boats (like the J 35) to deter=3D=
<BR>mine if your rating appears to be in line. &amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;=
DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;Let me know if I can be=
 of further assistance. By the way, my rating i=3D<BR>s 108, which was adju=
sted downward&amp;nbsp; before I purchased my boat, from a=3D<BR>&nbsp;114.=
&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DI=
V&gt;Your secret pal in the Midwest.&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp=
;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;FW&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&=
gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;HR id=3D3Dyiv1543362934zwchr&gt;<B=
R><BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;/DIV&gt;<BR>&amp;lt;DIV&gt;&amp;lt;B&gt;From: =
&amp;lt;/B&gt;frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B&g=
t;To: &amp;lt;/B&gt;frers-=3D<BR>list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;l=
t;B&gt;Sent: &amp;lt;/B&gt;Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:21:03 P=3D<BR>M&amp=
;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;B&gt;Subject: &amp;lt;/B&gt;frers-list digest, Vol 1 #595=
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ers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;You ca=3D<BR>n reach the person managi=
ng the list at&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nb=
sp;&amp;n=3D<BR>bsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com&=
amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;When replying, pl=3D<BR>ease edit your Subject l=
ine so it is more specific&amp;lt;BR&gt;than "Re: Contents of=3D<BR>&nbsp;f=
rers-list digest..."&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Today's<BR>&n=
bsp;Topics:&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 1. ECSA class r=
ating (Edgar Smith)&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;n=3D<BR>bsp; 2. Re: ECSA cl=
ass rating (FRANCIS ALBERT)&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 3. Re: ECSA =
=3D<BR>class rating (William Thompson)&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; 4.=
 Re: ECSA class rating (S=3D<BR>cott Marino)&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;-- =
__--__-- &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Message: 1&amp;lt;BR&gt;From: Edgar Sm=
ith &amp;amp;=3D<BR>lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;=
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0=3D<BR>500&amp;lt;BR&gt;To: frers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class =3D<BR>rating&=
amp;lt;BR&gt;Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR=
&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;--Apple-Mail-2-=3D<BR>-688990298&amp;lt;BR&gt;Content-Tra=
nsfer-Encoding: quoted-printable&amp;lt;BR&gt;Content-Type: =3D<BR>text/pla=
in;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbs=
p;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;charset=3D3Dus=3D<BR>-ascii&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&g=
t;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at the=3D<BR>ir ne=
xt =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a =
fairly =3D<BR>routine =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;review of boats/classes that have =
done well in the previous =3D<BR>season, but =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;the review =
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29 and plan to go to the=3D<BR>&nbsp;meeting to present =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=
evidence to support this and insure we don't get=3D<BR>&nbsp;an unwarranted=
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;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;-- __--__-- &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Messag=
e: 2=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)&amp;lt=
;BR&gt;From: FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;am=3D<BR>p;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&amp;gt;=
&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&g=
t;To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Reply-To: frers-list@lists.=
frers33.=3D<BR>com&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;---643335624-2068849514-13534=
49720=3D3D:24309&amp;lt;BR&gt;Content-Type: tex=3D<BR>t/plain; charset=3D3D=
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amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Edgar,&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D3DA0&amp;lt;BR&gt;PHRF of=
 the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 11=3D<BR>4 which is a<BR>&nbsp;diffic=
ult ratin=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;g to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sail the=
=3D3DA0hec=3D<BR>k out of that boat and the =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;crew work is=
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;BR&gt;Thanks,&amp;lt;BR&gt;Frank Albert&amp;lt;BR&gt;RELENTLESS&amp;lt;BR&=
gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;--- On Tue, 11/20/12=3D<BR>, Edgar Smith &amp;amp;lt;edgar=
@geomatrixproductions.com&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt=
;BR&gt;=3D<BR>From: Edgar Smith &amp;amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&=
amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject: [f=3D<BR>rers-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;B=
R&gt;To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tu=3D<BR>esday, No=
vember 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;=
BR&gt;The ECSA is reviewing the=3D<BR>&nbsp;ratings of a number of boats at=
 their next meetin=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;g on January 22, 2=3D<BR>013. I'm told=
 that this is a fairly routine review of boa=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ts/classes =
=3D<BR>that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=3D3=
D&amp;lt;BR&gt;omet=3D<BR>imes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/m=
ile for the class.=3D3DA0I=3D<BR>=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;believe that =
the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Isla=3D<BR>nd Sound at =3D3D&a=
mp;lt;BR&gt;108/129 and=3D3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evi=3D<B=
R>dence to support<BR>&nbsp;this=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;and insure we =
don't get an unwarranted negative rating ad=3D<BR>justment.=3D3DA0=3D3D20&a=
mp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;The Frers 33 has done well in the r=
esults, b=3D<BR>ut if you look at the boats in =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;our divis=
ion who raced more than 2 or=3D<BR>&nbsp;more races in 2011, (21 boats) the=
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1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3D3DA0I think=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;this shows ma=
in=3D<BR>ly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more =3D3D&a=
mp;lt;BR&gt;races tha=3D<BR>n any other boat type in Div 1. The same story =
holds for the ECSA =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ov=3D<BR>erall results at 2, 18, 41, =
47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =3D<BR>=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;in t=
he class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, ex=3D<BR>actl=
y i=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;n the 50th percentile. This compares with other compe=
titive b=3D<BR>oats with bett=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;er averages such as the=3D3=
DA0J-27 with an average finis=3D<BR>h 52nd,=3D3DA0the Tripp 36 =3D3D&amp;lt=
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t;I'm also working on a gr=3D<BR>aph of two years of races in<BR>&nbsp;Pach=
yderm vs. the two =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi =
using t=3D<BR>he recorded results for the Br=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;anford summe=
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&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;out all other factors to =3D<BR>compare the ratings=
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ractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=
hink I can s=3D<BR>how that our performance against others in nearly 30 rac=
es in e=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ach b=3D<BR>oat remained unchanged, suggesting th=
e ratings were commensurate. =3D3DA0(=3D3D=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;In fact, if =
anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&g=
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t;&amp;nbsp;in other regions and any other ideas for presenting =3D<BR>our =
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rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;rating to=
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out of that bo=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;at an=3D<BR>d the crew work is impeccable.=
&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;=
=3D<BR>&nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&=
amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;D=3D<BR>IV&a=
mp;gt;Thanks,&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;F=
rank Albert&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt=3D<BR>;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp=
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t;B&amp;=3D<BR>gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &amp;amp;lt;I&amp;gt;&amp;amp;=
lt;edgar@ge=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;omatrixpr=3D<BR>oductions.com&amp;amp;gt;&amp=
;amp;lt;/I&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/B&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;a=
mp;=3D<BR>lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D3D"=
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&amp;lt;BR&gt;px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;From: Edga=
r S=3D<BR>mith &amp;amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;co=
m&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Sub=3D<BR>ject: [&amp;amp;lt;SPAN&amp;gt=
;frers&amp;amp;lt;/SPAN&amp;gt;-list]ECSA class rating&amp;amp;lt=3D<BR>;BR=
&amp;gt;To: frers=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;amp;lt;BR&a=
mp;gt;Date: Tuesday, =3D<BR>November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;g=
t;&amp;amp;lt;B=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;R&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;D=3D<B=
R>IV id=3D3D3Dyiv249185265&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;The =
ECSA is reviewing the rati=3D<BR>ngs of a number of boats at their next m=
=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;eeting on January 22, 2013. =3D<BR>I'm told that this is=
 a fairly routine review o=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;f boats/classes that =3D<BR>ha=
ve done well in the previous season, but the review =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;can =
sometimes =3D<BR>result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the cl=
ass=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;.&amp;amp;n=3D<BR>bsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is =
fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=3D3D=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;ound at 108/=
129 and&amp;amp;nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present evide=3D<BR>nce t=
o s=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted ne=
gative =3D<BR>rating<BR>&nbsp;adjustme=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;nt.&amp;amp;nbsp;=
=3D3D20&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;=
lt;=3D<BR>/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;The Frers 33 has=
 done well in the results, but i=3D<BR>f you look at the boat=3D3D&amp;lt;B=
R&gt;s in our division who raced more than 2 or mor=3D<BR>e races in 2011, =
(21 boats) t=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;he Frers 33s are well distributed acros=3D<B=
R>s the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&amp;amp;nbsp=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;;I think t=
his shows mainly t=3D<BR>hat there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=3D=
3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ng more races than an=3D<BR>y other boat type in Div 1. The=
 same story holds for t=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;he ECSA overal=3D<BR>l results at=
 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;s boats=
=3D<BR>&nbsp;in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more rac=
es, e=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D<BR>xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares=
 with other competitive boats w=3D<BR>=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ith better average=
s such as the&amp;amp;nbsp;J-27 with an average finish=3D<BR>&nbsp;52nd,&am=
p;amp;nbsp=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&amp;amp;nbs=
p;the Evely=3D<BR>n 32-2 with and average fi=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;nish of<BR>&=
nbsp;57th.&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;D=
IV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;=3D<BR>lt;BR&amp;gt=
;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;I'm also work=
ing on a graph of =3D<BR>two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the=3D3D&amp;l=
t;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;two previous two years =3D<BR>in our J-29 Wasabi using th=
e recorded results for t=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;he Branford summe=3D<BR>r series=
. I think this should be an objective way of separ=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ating =
out =3D<BR>all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs=
 =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;the=3D<BR>&nbsp;Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is=
 not under review. At first look=3D3D=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;, I think I can s=
how that our performance against others in nearly 30 r=3D<BR>aces=3D3D&amp;=
lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =
we=3D<BR>re commensurate.=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;(In fac=
t, if anything the Frers 33 r=3D<BR>ating is a little tougher)&amp;amp;lt;/=
DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;=3D<B=
R>&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&g=
t;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;I'=3D<BR>d li=
ke to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ra=3D3D&amp;l=
t;BR&gt;=3D<BR>tings in<BR>&nbsp;other regions and any other ideas for pres=
enting our case from the=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>nbsp;fleet.&amp;amp;=
nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;=
lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp=
;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TR=3D<BR>A=
NSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORD=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ER-COLLAPSE: separat=
e; FONT: me=3D<BR>dium Verdana; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: =3D3D&amp;lt;=
BR&gt;2; LETTER-SPACING: norma=3D<BR>l; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0p=
x" class=3D3D3Dyi=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;v249185265Apple=3D<BR>-style-span&amp;g=
t;&amp;amp;lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; T=3D3D=3D<B=
R>&amp;lt;BR&gt;EXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px=
; BORDER-COL=3D<BR>LAPS=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;E: separate; WHITE-SPACE: normal;=
 ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: no=3D<BR>rmal; COLOR=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;: rgb(0=
,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D3Dyiv249185265Ap=3D<BR>ple-style-span&a=
mp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word"&amp=
;gt;&amp;amp=3D<BR>;lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WI=3D3D&amp;l=
t;BR&gt;DOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: =3D<BR>none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-IN=
DENT: 0px; BORD=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ER-COLLAPSE: separ=3D<BR>ate; WHITE-SPACE=
:<BR>&nbsp;normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: nor=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;mal; C=
OLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD=3D<BR>-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3D3Dyiv249185265Apple-s=
tyle-=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt=3D<BR>;DIV st=
yle=3D3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;FONT class=3D3D3Dyiv24=
91852=3D<BR>65Apple-style-=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;span face=3D3D3DArial&amp;gt;&=
amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;Edgar Smith&amp;=3D<BR>amp;lt;/DIV&amp;=
gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;Pachyderm&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&a=
mp;amp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt=3D<BR>;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/SPAN&amp=
;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/SPAN&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;=3D<BR>/SP=
AN&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/D=3D=
3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;IV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DI=3D<BR>V&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&a=
mp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;=
gt;&amp;amp;l=3D<BR>t;/BLOCKQUOTE&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/td&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt=
;/tr&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/table&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;---643=3D<BR>335624-206=
8849514-1353449720=3D3D:24309--&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;-- __--__-- &amp=
;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Message: 3=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;Cc: "frers-list@list=
s.frers33.com" &amp;amp;lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com=3D<BR>&amp;gt;&amp;=
lt;BR&gt;From: William Thompson &amp;amp;lt;foredeck@videotron.ca&amp;gt;&a=
mp;lt;BR&gt;Subject=3D<BR>: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;BR&gt;=
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -050=3D<BR>0&amp;lt;BR&gt;To:<BR>&nbsp;"fre=
rs-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;amp;lt;frers-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;gt;=
&amp;lt;BR=3D<BR>&gt;Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;&a=
mp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9=3D<BR>Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)&amp=
;lt;BR&gt;Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=3D3DUS-ASCII&amp;lt;BR&gt;Conte=
nt-t=3D<BR>ransfer-encoding: 7BIT&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;I race at 114 =
in Montreal, with a keel shorte=3D<BR>ned to 5'8" and a bulb making an addi=
tional 180 lb over the original keel w=3D<BR>eight. The St Lawrence Valley =
Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me =3D<BR>3 sec. a mile over the =
111 they would have assigned unmodified.&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Will=3D=
<BR>iam Thompson&amp;lt;BR&gt;Sent from my iPad&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;=
On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS=3D<BR>&nbsp;ALBERT &amp;amp;lt;fxalbert@=
prodigy.net&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;BR&g=
t;&amp;gt; Edgar,=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;nbsp;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp=
;gt; PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 wh=3D<BR>ich is a dif=
ficult rating to sail to. &amp;nbsp;I do okay but we sail the heck =3D<BR>o=
ut of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp=
;nbsp;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;n=3D<BR>bsp;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; Thanks=
,&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; Frank Albert&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; RELENTLESS&amp;l=
t;BR&gt;&amp;gt;<BR>&nbsp;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edga=
r Smith &amp;amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixproducti=3D<BR>ons.com&amp;gt; wrote:&am=
p;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; From: Edgar Smith &amp;amp;lt;ed=
gar@geomatr=3D<BR>ixproductions.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; Subject: =
[frers-list]ECSA class rating&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt=3D<BR>; To: frers-list@l=
ists.frers33.com&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012=3D<=
BR>, 11:10 AM&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; The ECSA is revi=
ewing the ratings of a number o=3D<BR>f boats at their next meeting on Janu=
ary 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a =3D<BR>fairly routine review of boats=
/classes that have done well in the previous =3D<BR>season, but the review =
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 sec=3D<BR>onds/mile for th=
e class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eas=3D<BR>tern Long=
 Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D<BR>ev=
idence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative ra=
=3D<BR>ting adjustment. &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; The F=
rers 33 has done well in the result=3D<BR>s, but if you look at the boats i=
n our division who raced more than<BR>&nbsp;2 or more races in 2011, (21 bo=
ats) the Frers 33s are well distributed acr=3D<BR>oss the group 1, 2, 6, 9,=
 13, 21. I think this shows mainly that there are =3D<BR>far more Frers 33s=
 racing and doing more races than any other boat type in =3D<BR>Div 1. The =
same story holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, =3D<BR>75, =
108, 116. In overall standings boats in the class average 58th among 11=3D<=
BR>6 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This com=
par=3D<BR>es with other competitive boats with better averages such as the =
J-27 with =3D<BR>an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, =
the Evelyn 32-2 w=3D<BR>ith and average finish of 57th. &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=
gt; &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; I'm also working on a gra=3D<BR>ph of two years =
of races in Pachyderm vs. the two previous two years in our=3D<BR>&nbsp;J-2=
9 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Branford summer series. I t=3D<=
BR>hink this should be an objective way of separating out all other factors=
 to=3D<BR>&nbsp;compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. T=
he J-29<BR>&nbsp;fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I th=
ink I can show t=3D<BR>hat our performance against others in nearly 30 race=
s in each boat remained=3D<BR>&nbsp;unchanged, suggesting the ratings were =
commensurate. &amp;nbsp;(In fact, if an=3D<BR>ything the Frers 33 rating is=
 a little tougher)&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; I'd like t=
=3D<BR>o collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in=
 other =3D<BR>regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the =
fleet. &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt=3D<BR>; &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; Edgar Smith&amp=
;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt; Pachyderm&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;--Boundary_(ID_tR3s=
jQBV9Wic=3D<BR>6t0+R9DkzQ)&amp;lt;BR&gt;Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=3D=
3DUS-ASCII&amp;lt;BR&gt;Content-trans=3D<BR>fer-encoding: 7BIT&amp;lt;BR&gt=
;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;html&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;head&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;=
meta http=3D<BR>-equiv=3D3D"content-type" content=3D3D"text/html; charset=
=3D3Dutf-8"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/=3D<BR>head&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;body dir=3D3=
D"auto"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;I race at 114 in Montre=3D<BR>al, wit=
h a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 180 lb ov=3D<BR>=
er the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. sai=
=3D<BR>d<BR>&nbsp;they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would=
 have assigned un=3D<BR>modified.&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;g=
t;William Thompson&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;Sent fr=3D<BR>om my iPad&amp;amp;l=
t;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br=
&amp;gt;On 2=3D<BR>012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;amp;lt;&amp;a=
mp;lt;a href=3D3D"mailto:fxal=3D<BR>bert@prodigy.net"&amp;gt;fxalbert@prodi=
gy.net&amp;amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;=3D<BR>lt;br&amp;gt=
;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;blockquote type=
=3D3D"cite"&amp;gt;=3D<BR>&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;table cellspac=
ing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0" border=3D3D"=3D<BR>0"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;tb=
ody&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;tr&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;td valign=3D3D"top" style=3D3D=
"fon=3D<BR>t: inherit;"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;Edgar,&amp;amp;lt;/di=
v&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;am=3D<BR>p;nbsp;&amp;amp=
;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;PHRF of the Chesapeake=
 rates the =3D<BR>Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.&a=
mp;amp;nbsp; I do okay=3D<BR>&nbsp;but we sail the&amp;amp;nbsp;heck out of=
 that boat and the crew work is impecc=3D<BR>able.&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&=
amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/di=
v&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/di=
v&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;d=3D<BR>iv&amp;gt;Thanks,&amp;amp;lt;/di=
v&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;Frank Albert&amp;amp;lt;/div&=
amp;gt=3D<BR>;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;RELENTLESS&amp;amp;lt;br=
&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;--- On &amp;amp;lt;b&amp;=3D<BR>gt;Tue, 11/20=
/12, Edgar Smith &amp;amp;lt;i&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;&amp;amp;lt;a href=3D3D"m=
ailto=3D<BR>:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&amp;gt;edgar@geomatrixproducti=
ons.com&amp;amp;lt;/=3D<BR>a&amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/i&amp;gt;&amp;=
amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; wrote:&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;=3D<BR>g=
t;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;blockquote style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,25=
5) 2px solid; P=3D<BR>ADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;l=
t;br&amp;gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;amp=3D<BR>;lt;&amp;amp;lt;a href=3D3D"ma=
ilto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&amp;gt;edgar@geoma=3D<BR>trixproductio=
ns.com&amp;amp;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Subject: [&am=
p;amp;lt;sp=3D<BR>an&amp;gt;frers&amp;amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;-list]ECSA class =
rating&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;To: &amp;amp;l=3D<BR>t;a href=3D3D"mailto:frers=
-list@lists.frers33.com"&amp;gt;frers-list@lists.frers3=3D<BR>3.com&amp;amp=
;lt;/a&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10=
<BR>&nbsp;AM&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=
amp;lt;div id=3D3D"yiv249185265"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=3D<BR>amp;lt;di=
v&amp;gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at the=3D<B=
R>ir next meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routi=
ne=3D<BR>&nbsp;review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous =
season, but th=3D<BR>e review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up t=
o 3 seconds/mile for =3D<BR>the class.&amp;amp;nbsp;I believe that the Frer=
s 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =3D<BR>Long Island Sound at 108/129 and&amp=
;amp;nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to pres=3D<BR>ent evidence to support t=
his and insure we don't get an unwarranted negativ=3D<BR>e rating adjustmen=
t.&amp;amp;nbsp; &amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt=
;&amp;amp;lt;/di=3D<BR>v&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;The Fr=
ers 33 has done well in the results, but if y=3D<BR>ou look at the boats in=
 our division who raced more than 2 or more races in=3D<BR>&nbsp;2011, (21 =
boats) the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2,=3D<BR>&nbs=
p;6, 9, 13, 21.&amp;amp;nbsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far<B=
R>&nbsp;more Frers 33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type=
 in Div=3D<BR>&nbsp;1. The same story holds for the ECSA overall results at=
 2, 18, 41, 47, 75,=3D<BR>&nbsp;108, 116. In overall standings boats in the=
 class average 58th among 116 b=3D<BR>oats racing 2 or more races, exactly =
in the 50th percentile. This compares =3D<BR>with other competitive boats w=
ith better averages such as the&amp;amp;nbsp;J-27=3D<BR>&nbsp;with an avera=
ge finish 52nd,&amp;amp;nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&amp;am=3D<BR=
>p;nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;=
amp;lt;/d=3D<BR>iv&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&g=
t;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&amp=
;lt;=3D<BR>BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;div&amp;gt;I'm also working on a graph of two =
years of races in Pach=3D<BR>yderm vs. the two previous two years in our J-=
29 Wasabi using the recorded =3D<BR>results for the Branford summer series.=
 I think this should be an objective=3D<BR>&nbsp;way of separating out all =
other factors to compare the ratings of the the =3D<BR>J-29 Frac vs the Fre=
rs 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under<BR>&nbsp;review. At first lo=
ok, I think I can show that our performance against oth=3D<BR>ers in nearly=
 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the rati=3D<BR>ngs we=
re commensurate. &amp;amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating =
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l&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)=
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t;Message: 4&amp;lt;BR&gt;Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)&amp;l=
t;BR&gt;From: Sco=3D<BR>tt Marino &amp;amp;lt;scottamarino@yahoo.com&amp;gt=
;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Subject: Re: [frers-list]EC=3D<BR>SA class rating&amp;lt;BR&=
gt;To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &amp;amp;lt;frers-list@li=3D<BR>sts.f=
rers33.com&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com&amp;=
lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;---375=3D<BR>072337-321145529-1353467943=3D3D:8112&a=
mp;lt;BR&gt;Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D3D=3D<BR>iso-8859-1&amp;lt;=
BR&gt;Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;lt;BR&g=
t;Don't<BR>&nbsp;sail here, it's worse...=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D3D0A______=
________________________=3D<BR>__=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D3D0AFrom: FRANCIS AL=
BERT &amp;amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&amp;gt;=3D3D0ATo:=3D<BR>&nbsp;frers-l=
ist@lists.frers=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;33.com =3D3D0ASent: Tuesday, November 20,=
 2012 =3D<BR>5:15 PM=3D3D0ASubject: Re: [frers-li=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;st]ECSA=
 class rating=3D3D0A=3D3D0AEdga=3D<BR>r,=3D3D0A=3D3D0APHRF of the Chesapeak=
e rates the Frer=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;s 33 at 114 which i=3D<BR>s a difficult =
rating to sail to.=3D3DA0 I do okay but we sai=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;l the=3D3D=
A0=3D<BR>heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D3D0A=3D3D=
A0 =3D3D0A=3D3D0A=3D<BR>=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;Thanks,=3D3D0AFrank Albert=3D3D0=
ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar S=3D<BR>mith &amp;amp;lt;edgar=3D3D&=
amp;lt;BR&gt;@geomatrixproductions.com&amp;gt; wrote:=3D3D0A=3D3D0A&amp;gt;=
=3D<BR>From: Edgar Smith &amp;amp;lt;edgar@geomatrixp=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;rod=
uctions.com&amp;gt;=3D3D0A&amp;gt=3D<BR>;Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class ra=
ting=3D3D0A&amp;gt;To: frers-list=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;@lists=3D<BR>.frers33.c=
om=3D3D0A&amp;gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D3D0A&amp;gt;=
=3D3D=3D<BR>0A&amp;gt;=3D3D0A=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;The ECSA is reviewi=
ng the ratings of a number of boat=3D<BR>s at their next meeti=3D3D&amp;lt;=
BR&gt;ng on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this<BR>&nbsp;is a fairly routi=
ne review of bo=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ats/classes that have done well in =3D<BR=
>the previous season, but the review can =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;sometimes resul=
t in an adjus=3D<BR>tment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D3DA0=3D3=
D&amp;lt;BR&gt;I believe that the =3D<BR>Frers 33 is fairly rated in Easter=
n Long Island Sound at=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;108/12=3D<BR>9 and=3D3DA=
0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support thi=3D3D&amp;lt;B=
=3D<BR>R&gt;s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjust=
ment.=3D3DA0=3D<BR>&nbsp;=3D3D0A=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;gt;The Frers 33 has=
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&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;our division who raced more than 2 or more rac=3D<B=
R>es in 2011, (21 boats) the F=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;rers 33s are well distribu=
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lt;BR&gt;k this shows mainly that there =3D<BR>are far more Frers 33s racin=
g and doing more=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;races than any oth=3D<BR>er bo=
at type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=
nbsp;overal=3D<BR>l results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall stan=
dings boats=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D<BR>&amp;nbsp;in the class average<BR>&nbs=
p;58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;i=
n the 50th pe=3D<BR>rcentile. This compares with other competitive boats wi=
th bet=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ter ave=3D<BR>rages such as the=3D3DA0J-27 with an=
 average finish 52nd,=3D3DA0the Tripp 36=3D3D=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp=
;average finish 55th,=3D3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish =3D<BR>=
of 57th.=3D3DA0=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D3D0A&amp;gt;I'm also working on a grap=
h of two years of ra=3D<BR>ces in Pachyderm vs. the =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;two =
previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi u=3D<BR>sing the recorded results for=
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be an objective way of separa=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ting out all other factors =
to=3D<BR>&nbsp;compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=3D3D&amp;lt;BR=
&gt;he Frers 33. The J-29 =3D<BR>fractional rating is not under review. At =
first look,=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;I think I=3D<BR>&nbsp;can show that=
 our performance against others in nearly 30 races =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;in =
=3D<BR>each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensura=
te. =3D3D=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rat=
ing is a little tougher)=3D3D0=3D<BR>A&amp;gt;I'd li=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ke t=
o collect<BR>&nbsp;other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings =
in ot=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;her re=3D<BR>gions and any other ideas for presenti=
ng our case from the fleet.=3D3DA0=3D3D&amp;lt;B=3D<BR>R&gt;=3D3D0A&amp;gt;=
Edgar Smith=3D3D0A&amp;gt;Pachyderm &amp;lt;BR&gt;---375072337-321145529-13=
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lt;div&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/d=3D<BR>iv&amp;gt;&amp;lt;=
BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, =
ti=3D<BR>mes, serif; FONT-SI=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ZE: 12pt"&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&=
gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"FONT-FAMI=3D<BR>LY: times new roman, new yo=
rk,<BR>&nbsp;times, serif; FONT-SI=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ZE: 12pt"&amp;gt;&amp;=
lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV dir=3D3D3Dltr&amp;gt;&amp;a=3D<BR>mp;lt;FONT size=
=3D3D3D2 face=3D3D3DArial&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV style=3D3D3D=
"BORDER-B=3D<BR>OTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; P=3D3D&=
amp;lt;BR&gt;ADDING-BOTTOM: =3D<BR>0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PA=
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=3D<BR>=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D3D3Dfalse readonly=3D3D3D"true"&amp;gt;&amp;am=
p;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;B&amp;gt;&amp;amp;=3D<BR>lt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"=
FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&amp;gt;From:=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;/SPAN&amp;gt;=
&amp;amp;=3D<BR>lt;/B&amp;gt; FRANCIS ALBERT &amp;amp;lt;fxalbert@prodigy.n=
et&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;=3D<BR>&amp;amp;lt;B&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt=
;SPAN style=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&amp;gt;To:&amp;amp=
;l=3D<BR>t;/SPAN&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/B&amp;gt; frers-list@lists.frers33.com=
 &amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;l=3D<BR>t;B&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;=3D3D&amp;lt=
;BR&gt;SPAN style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&amp;gt;Sent:&amp;amp;lt;/S=3D<B=
R>PAN&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/B&amp;gt; Tuesday, November 20, 201=3D3D&amp;lt;B=
R&gt;2 5:15 PM&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;g=3D<BR>t;&amp;amp;lt;B&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt=
;SPAN<BR>&nbsp;style=3D3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold"&amp;gt;Subject:&amp;amp;lt;/=
SPAN&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/B&amp;gt; R=3D<BR>e: [=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;frers-lis=
t]ECSA class rating&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/FONT&amp;gt;&amp;amp;=
=3D<BR>lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;WBR&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV =
id=3D3D3Dyiv989608804&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;l=3D<BR>t;TABLE border=
=3D3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D3D0 cellPadding=3D3D3D0&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;=
amp;lt;TBO=3D<BR>DY&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;TR&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&g=
t;&amp;amp;lt;TD vAlign=3D3D3Dtop&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;=
gt=3D<BR>;Edgar,&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;g=
t;&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;am=3D<BR>p;lt;DI=
V&amp;gt;PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a dif=3D=
<BR>ficult =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;rating to sail to.&amp;amp;nbsp; I do okay bu=
t we sail the&amp;amp;nb=3D<BR>sp;heck out of that bo=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;at =
and the crew work is impeccable.&amp;amp;lt;/DI=3D<BR>V&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&g=
t;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;nbsp; &amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&=
gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;=3D<BR>nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp=
;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;Thanks,&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&=
gt;&amp;amp;lt;=3D<BR>DIV&amp;gt;Frank Albert&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;l=
t;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;RELENTLESS&amp;amp;lt;WBR=3D<BR>&amp;gt;&amp=
;amp;lt;WBR&amp;gt;--- On &amp;amp;lt;B&amp;gt;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith<B=
R>&nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;I&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;edgar@=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;geomatrix=
productions.com&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;=3D<BR>/I&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/B&amp;=
gt; wrote:&amp;amp;lt;WBR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp=
;amp;lt;BLOCK=3D<BR>QUOTE style=3D3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px soli=
d; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D3D&amp;lt;=3D<BR>BR&gt;px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"&amp;gt;&a=
mp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;From: Edgar Smith &amp;amp;lt;edgar@g=3D<BR>eomatrixpro=
ductions.=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;com&amp;amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Subject: [=
&amp;amp;lt;SPAN&amp;=3D<BR>gt;frers&amp;amp;lt;/SPAN&amp;gt;-list]ECSA cla=
ss rating&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;To: frers=3D3D&amp;lt;=3D<BR>BR&gt;-list@lis=
ts.frers33.com&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 1=3D<=
BR>1:10 AM&amp;amp;lt;BR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;B=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;R&amp;gt;&a=
mp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV id=3D3D3Dyiv9896088=3D<BR>04&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&=
gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of =
b=3D<BR>oats at their next m=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;eeting on January 22, 2013. =
I'm told that this i=3D<BR>s a fairly routine review o=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;f =
boats/classes that have done well in th=3D<BR>e previous season, but the re=
view =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;can sometimes result in an adjustm=3D<BR>ent of up =
to 3 seconds/mile for the class=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;.&amp;amp;nbsp;I believe =
that t=3D<BR>he Frers 33 is<BR>&nbsp;fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=
=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ound at 108/129 and&amp;amp;nbsp;p=3D<BR>lan to go to th=
e meeting to present evidence to s=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;upport this and ins=3D=
<BR>ure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=3D3D&amp;lt;BR=
&gt;nt.&amp;amp;nbsp=3D<BR>;=3D3D20&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&am=
p;amp;lt;WBR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&a=
mp;gt;=3D<BR>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at =
the boat=3D3D&amp;lt;B=3D<BR>R&gt;s in our division who raced more than 2 o=
r more races in 2011, (21 boats)=3D<BR>&nbsp;t=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;he Frers 3=
3s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13,=3D<BR>&nbsp;21.&am=
p;amp;nbsp=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;;I think this shows mainly that there are far =
more Frer=3D<BR>s 33s racing and doi=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ng more races than a=
ny other boat type in Div 1.=3D<BR>&nbsp;The same story holds for t=3D3D&am=
p;lt;BR&gt;he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47,=3D<BR>&nbsp;75, 108, 1=
16. In overall standing=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;s boats in the class average 58th=
 =3D<BR>among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;xactly =
in the 50th percenti=3D<BR>le. This compares with other competitive boats w=
=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ith better averages =3D<BR>such as<BR>&nbsp;the&amp;amp;=
nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&amp;amp;nbsp=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;;the =
Tripp 3=3D<BR>6 average finish 55th,&amp;amp;nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and =
average fi=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;n=3D<BR>ish of 57th.&amp;amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;lt;=
/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;=
DIV&amp;gt=3D<BR>;&amp;amp;lt;WBR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR=
&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;I'm also working on a gr=3D<BR>aph of two years =
of races in Pachyderm vs. the=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;two previous two=
=3D<BR>&nbsp;years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for t=3D3D=
&amp;lt;BR&gt;he Branfor=3D<BR>d summer series. I think this should be an o=
bjective way of separ=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;ati=3D<BR>ng out all other factors =
to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =3D3D=3D<BR>&amp;lt;BR&gt;th=
e Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first =3D<BR=
>look=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;, I think I can show that our performance against o=
thers in near=3D<BR>ly 30 races=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;in each boat re=
mained unchanged, suggesting the rat=3D<BR>ings were commensurate.=3D3D&amp=
;lt;BR&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Fre=3D<BR>rs 33=
 rating is a little<BR>&nbsp;tougher)&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;=
&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;WBR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;=3D<B=
R>&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt=
;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;I'd like to collec=3D<BR>t other supp=
orting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ra=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;tings in other r=
=3D<BR>egions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=3D3D&amp=
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amp;lt;=3D<BR>DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;S=
PAN style=3D3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM=3D<BR>: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; =
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WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: =3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;2; LETTER-SPACING: normal;=
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sp;class=3D3D3Dyiv989608804Apple-style-span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;l=
t;DIV style=3D3D3D"WORD-=3D<BR>WRAP: break-word"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;SPAN st=
yle=3D3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WI=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;=3D<BR>DOWS: 2; TEXT-T=
RANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORD=3D<BR>=3D3D&am=
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PACI=3D<BR>NG: nor=3D3D&amp;lt;BR&gt;mal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: =
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;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV style=3D3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-=3D<BR>word=
"&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;FONT class=3D3D3Dyiv989608804Apple-style-=3D3D&amp;lt;=
BR&gt;span face=3D3D=3D<BR>3DArial&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;DIV&amp=
;gt;Edgar<BR>&nbsp;Smith&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;lt;BR&gt;&amp;amp;lt;D=
IV&amp;gt;Pachyderm&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/=3D<BR>FONT&amp;gt;=
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mp;amp;lt;/SPAN&amp;gt;&amp;=3D<BR>amp;lt;/SPAN&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp=
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&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/DIV&amp;gt=3D<BR>;&amp;amp;lt;/BLOCKQU=
OTE&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/TD&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/TR&amp;gt;&amp;amp;lt;/TBODY=
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