[frers-list]Frers 38
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>From Sailnet 2008
Hello,
I can tell you a lot about the Carroll Marine Frers 38. I currently own "Vanishing Point" and previously owned "Dragon", both Frers 38s. The first was a 1989 version with a medium length keel, and the forward placed mast. This version had two design flaws, first, the mast was moved 6 inches forward of design specifications, by Carroll, in order to get it to fit inside the head. Additionally, the 1989 was ordered with the 6' 9" keel. That boat also had the traditional fiberglass hull, a complete forward and aft stateroom, with closing doors and additional wood trim. She was essentially a cruiser.
The new Frers (the 1991) has an "S"-glass / kevlar hull and deck, special ordered for weight savings and additional stiffness. She also has a 7' 6" fin keel. This boat also has an aft bunkroom with no door, and the forward section is for sail storage (no forward cabin). This boat is a lot faster, points like no boat I have ever sailed, and is so stiff, you really don't need a lot of crew to keep her relatively flat in nearly any wind.
The Frers is a very comfortable cruise and occasional racer. They seem to have trouble being competitive in PHRF. The boat has a very low rating, and generally the serious sailors are all sailing the newer technology boats. I single hand the boat frequently, and she's really a pleasure to sail. Everything is led back to the cockpit, and the loads on the sheets are relatively light. My boats both had way oversized winches, so that could be part of it. I motor out of the harbor, put on the autopilot, set the main, shut off the engine, and then I let go of the roller furling line and pull in on the job sheet and I am sailing.
They are relatively light boats, with a good design, and a very sea kindly ride. They can take heavy seas well, with a very dry ride, and they can also sail in light wind without seeming like they are drifting. I do race the boat, but we are not serious racers, so we have not had a tremendous track record. When we are doing things well, we are passing larger boats, left and right, but we always seem to mess up something, and end up finishing in the middle of the pack.
I would suggest, of you are buying one, that you think about 1) the location of the mast; 2) the keel configuration and 3) the interior layout (depending on whether you are cruising or racing). For keels, the 7' and 7'6" fin keels are the best fit, and you want one with the mast in the main salon.
Other than that, they are all very similar. There are some good deals out there, but don't pay too much.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rod Stright" <StrightR@eastlink.ca>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 4:18:42 PM
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 38
I have someone interested in a Frers 38. Is anyone familiar with the boat and how it races? I notice in New England it is rated at 72 which seems pretty steep. I notice from various blogs that there seem to be quite a bit of variance in the different versions of the Frers 38s. Some apparently were built with S Glass and are lighter (1990s and newer) while some have added a keel shoe and still others have a 6' draft versus 7' and some at 7.5'
Rod
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erdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font=
-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);">I can tell you a lot ab=
out the Carroll Marine Frers 38. I currently own "Vanishing Point" and prev=
iously owned "Dragon", both Frers 38s. The first was a 1989 version with a =
medium length keel, and the forward placed mast. This version had two desig=
n flaws, first, the mast was moved 6 inches forward of design specification=
s, by Carroll, in order to get it to fit inside the head. Additionally, the=
1989 was ordered with the 6' 9" keel. That boat also had the traditional f=
iberglass hull, a complete forward and aft stateroom, with closing doors an=
d additional wood trim. She was essentially a cruiser.</span><br style=3D"f=
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s-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);"><br style=
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>The new Frers (the 1991) has an "S"-glass / kevlar hull and deck, special =
ordered for weight savings and additional stiffness. She also has a 7' 6" f=
in keel. This boat also has an aft bunkroom with no door, and the forward s=
ection is for sail storage (no forward cabin). This boat is a lot faster, p=
oints like no boat I have ever sailed, and is so stiff, you really don't ne=
ed a lot of crew to keep her relatively flat in nearly any wind.</span><br =
style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helv=
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<br style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, =
helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255=
);"><span style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', a=
rial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 24=
5, 255);">The Frers is a very comfortable cruise and occasional racer. They=
seem to have trouble being competitive in PHRF. The boat has a very low ra=
ting, and generally the serious sailors are all sailing the newer technolog=
y boats. I single hand the boat frequently, and she's really a pleasure to =
sail. Everything is led back to the cockpit, and the loads on the sheets ar=
e relatively light. My boats both had way oversized winches, so that could =
be part of it. I motor out of the harbor, put on the autopilot, set the mai=
n, shut off the engine, and then I let go of the roller furling line and pu=
ll in on the job sheet and I am sailing.</span><br style=3D"font-family: ve=
rdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-=
size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);"><br style=3D"font-family=
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ont-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);"><span style=3D"font-=
family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-se=
rif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);">They are relat=
ively light boats, with a good design, and a very sea kindly ride. They can=
take heavy seas well, with a very dry ride, and they can also sail in ligh=
t wind without seeming like they are drifting. I do race the boat, but we a=
re not serious racers, so we have not had a tremendous track record. When w=
e are doing things well, we are passing larger boats, left and right, but w=
e always seem to mess up something, and end up finishing in the middle of t=
he pack.</span><br style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida g=
rande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rg=
b(245, 245, 255);"><br style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'luci=
da grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color=
: rgb(245, 245, 255);"><span style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida,=
'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background=
-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);">I would suggest, of you are buying one, that y=
ou think about 1) the location of the mast; 2) the keel configuration and 3=
) the interior layout (depending on whether you are cruising or racing). Fo=
r keels, the 7' and 7'6" fin keels are the best fit, and you want one with =
the mast in the main salon.</span><br style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva=
, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; b=
ackground-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);"><br style=3D"font-family: verdana, ge=
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x; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);"><span style=3D"font-family: verda=
na, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-siz=
e: 13px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 255);">Other than that, they are a=
ll very similar. There are some good deals out there, but don't pay too muc=
h.</span><br style=3D"font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande'=
, arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(245,=
245, 255);"><br><hr id=3D"zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Rod Stright" <StrightR@e=
astlink.ca><br><b>To: </b>frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br><b>Sent: </b>S=
aturday, December 7, 2013 4:18:42 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>[frers-list]Frers 3=
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e seem to be quite a bit of variance in the different versions of the Frers=
38s. Some apparently were built with S Glass and are lighter (1990s =
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