[frers-list]Frers 38
Rod Stright
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Sat, 07 Dec 2013 21:42:21 -0400
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Thanks I have seen that posting on Sailnet.
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Rod
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of =
frers33@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 8:14 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Frers 38
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>From Sailnet 2008
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Hello,
I can tell you a lot about the Carroll Marine Frers 38. I currently own =
"Vanishing Point" and previously owned "Dragon", both Frers 38s. The =
first was a 1989 version with a medium length keel, and the forward =
placed mast. This version had two design flaws, first, the mast was =
moved 6 inches forward of design specifications, by Carroll, in order to =
get it to fit inside the head. Additionally, the 1989 was ordered with =
the 6' 9" keel. That boat also had the traditional fiberglass hull, a =
complete forward and aft stateroom, with closing doors and additional =
wood trim. She was essentially a cruiser.
The new Frers (the 1991) has an "S"-glass / kevlar hull and deck, =
special ordered for weight savings and additional stiffness. She also =
has a 7' 6" fin keel. This boat also has an aft bunkroom with no door, =
and the forward section is for sail storage (no forward cabin). This =
boat is a lot faster, points like no boat I have ever sailed, and is so =
stiff, you really don't need a lot of crew to keep her relatively flat =
in nearly any wind.
The Frers is a very comfortable cruise and occasional racer. They seem =
to have trouble being competitive in PHRF. The boat has a very low =
rating, and generally the serious sailors are all sailing the newer =
technology boats. I single hand the boat frequently, and she's really a =
pleasure to sail. Everything is led back to the cockpit, and the loads =
on the sheets are relatively light. My boats both had way oversized =
winches, so that could be part of it. I motor out of the harbor, put on =
the autopilot, set the main, shut off the engine, and then I let go of =
the roller furling line and pull in on the job sheet and I am sailing.
They are relatively light boats, with a good design, and a very sea =
kindly ride. They can take heavy seas well, with a very dry ride, and =
they can also sail in light wind without seeming like they are drifting. =
I do race the boat, but we are not serious racers, so we have not had a =
tremendous track record. When we are doing things well, we are passing =
larger boats, left and right, but we always seem to mess up something, =
and end up finishing in the middle of the pack.
I would suggest, of you are buying one, that you think about 1) the =
location of the mast; 2) the keel configuration and 3) the interior =
layout (depending on whether you are cruising or racing). For keels, the =
7' and 7'6" fin keels are the best fit, and you want one with the mast =
in the main salon.
Other than that, they are all very similar. There are some good deals =
out there, but don't pay too much.
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From: "Rod Stright" <StrightR@eastlink.ca <mailto:StrightR@eastlink.ca> =
>
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 4:18:42 PM
Subject: [frers-list]Frers 38
I have someone interested in a Frers 38. Is anyone familiar with the =
boat and how it races? I notice in New England it is rated at 72 which =
seems pretty steep. I notice from various blogs that there seem to be =
quite a bit of variance in the different versions of the Frers 38s. =
Some apparently were built with S Glass and are lighter (1990s and =
newer) while some have added a keel shoe and still others have a 6' =
draft versus 7' and some at 7.5'
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Rod
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frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br><b><span =
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38<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 =
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color=3Dblack face=3DVerdana><span =
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background:#F5F5FF'>Hello,</span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack =
face=3DVerdana><span =
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><br><br><span style=3D'background:#F5F5FF'>I can tell you a lot about =
the Carroll Marine Frers 38. I currently own "Vanishing Point" =
and previously owned "Dragon", both Frers 38s. The first was a =
1989 version with a medium length keel, and the forward placed mast. =
This version had two design flaws, first, the mast was moved 6 inches =
forward of design specifications, by Carroll, in order to get it to fit =
inside the head. Additionally, the 1989 was ordered with the 6' 9" =
keel. That boat also had the traditional fiberglass hull, a complete =
forward and aft stateroom, with closing doors and additional wood trim. =
She was essentially a cruiser.</span><br><br><span =
style=3D'background:#F5F5FF'>The new Frers (the 1991) has an =
"S"-glass / kevlar hull and deck, special ordered for weight =
savings and additional stiffness. She also has a 7' 6" fin keel. =
This boat also has an aft bunkroom with no door, and the forward section =
is for sail storage (no forward cabin). This boat is a lot faster, =
points like no boat I have ever sailed, and is so stiff, you really =
don't need a lot of crew to keep her relatively flat in nearly any =
wind.</span><br><br><span style=3D'background:#F5F5FF'>The Frers is a =
very comfortable cruise and occasional racer. They seem to have trouble =
being competitive in PHRF. The boat has a very low rating, and generally =
the serious sailors are all sailing the newer technology boats. I single =
hand the boat frequently, and she's really a pleasure to sail. =
Everything is led back to the cockpit, and the loads on the sheets are =
relatively light. My boats both had way oversized winches, so that could =
be part of it. I motor out of the harbor, put on the autopilot, set the =
main, shut off the engine, and then I let go of the roller furling line =
and pull in on the job sheet and I am sailing.</span><br><br><span =
style=3D'background:#F5F5FF'>They are relatively light boats, with a =
good design, and a very sea kindly ride. They can take heavy seas well, =
with a very dry ride, and they can also sail in light wind without =
seeming like they are drifting. I do race the boat, but we are not =
serious racers, so we have not had a tremendous track record. When we =
are doing things well, we are passing larger boats, left and right, but =
we always seem to mess up something, and end up finishing in the middle =
of the pack.</span><br><br><span style=3D'background:#F5F5FF'>I would =
suggest, of you are buying one, that you think about 1) the location of =
the mast; 2) the keel configuration and 3) the interior layout =
(depending on whether you are cruising or racing). For keels, the 7' and =
7'6" fin keels are the best fit, and you want one with the mast in =
the main salon.</span><br><br><span style=3D'background:#F5F5FF'>Other =
than that, they are all very similar. There are some good deals out =
there, but don't pay too much.</span></span></font><font size=3D3 =
color=3Dblack face=3DArial><span =
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Stright" <<a =
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</a><br><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent: </span></b>Saturday, =
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>I have someone interested in a Frers 38. Is anyone familiar with =
the boat and how it races? I notice in New England it is rated at =
72 which seems pretty steep. I notice from various blogs that =
there seem to be quite a bit of variance in the different versions of =
the Frers 38s. Some apparently were built with S Glass and are =
lighter (1990s and newer) while some have added a keel shoe and still =
others have a 6' draft versus 7' and some at 7.5'</span></font><font =
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