[frers-list]tweakers or guys?

Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:06:40 -0400

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Great dialogue and very thorough.
Checkmate converted from a dip pole to an end for end (carbon fiber). Makes
a huge difference, as before, everything got caught up on the bow cleat
consistently. Still use sheets and guys as well as light sheets, as Edgar
outlined.
Joyce

On 7/24/14 8:48 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:

> Thanks Edgar
>  
> We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end.  Also race
> primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the
> Frers 33.  The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole.  We were
> planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a
> C&C 99.  It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same.
> Also has a J+1 pole.  It always does end for end despite having a slightly
> larger spin
>  
> Mike
>  
> 
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
> Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Cc: Edgar Smith
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?
>  
> 
> Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light sheets
> which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use is
> called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what
> it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I
> installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but
> the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with
> the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the lazy-guy if the
> wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put
> on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we
> sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the
> rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for
> jibes. 
> 
> I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on
> the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could get
> tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave
> that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage.
> 
> With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe
> (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but it
> as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every
> time, but it never really goes haywire either.
> 
> I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases,
> since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't
> get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for
> forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down
> the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit).
> 
> Edgar Smith
> Pachyderm
> 
> 
>  
> 

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Great dialogue and very thorough. 
Checkmate converted from a dip pole to an end for end (carbon fiber). Makes a huge difference, as before, everything got caught up on the bow cleat consistently. Still use sheets and guys as well as light sheets, as Edgar outlined. 
Joyce 
 
 
On 7/24/14 8:48 AM, &quot;Hoyt, Mike&quot; &lt;<a href="Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com">Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a>&gt; wrote: 
 
<BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks Edgar 
&nbsp; 
We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. &nbsp;Also race primarily on a C&amp;C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the Frers 33. &nbsp;The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. &nbsp;We were planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a C&amp;C 99. &nbsp;It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. &nbsp;Also has a J+1 pole. &nbsp;It always does end for end despite having a slightly larger spin 
&nbsp; 
Mike 
&nbsp; 
 
From: <a href="frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [<a href="mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith 
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Cc: Edgar Smith 
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys? 
 
 
Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes. 
 
I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage. 
 
With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really goes haywire either. 
 
I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a &quot;foot-cleat&quot; in the cockpit). 
 
Edgar Smith 
Pachyderm 



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