[frers-list]tweakers or guys?
Dave Nauber
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:09:25 -0400
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Edgar made a point that I forgot to mention. Having the lazy guy available =
to help pull the chute down on the douse is a big advantage. We always dous=
e into the fore hatch so that=B4s a critical factor for us.
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Dave
Wolverine
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:48 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?
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Thanks Edgar
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We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also race p=
rimarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we race the=
Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip pole. We were=
planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is=
a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the sam=
e. Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end for end despite having a sligh=
tly larger spin
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Mike
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Edgar Smith
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?
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Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light she=
ets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety we use=
is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but don't know=
what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it is really sto=
rmy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes the jibes fas=
ter, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be able end for=
end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and replace the laz=
y-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I have not seen =
the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any conditions. =
In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabilize the chu=
te and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attached and take=
it back up for jibes.=20
I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute =
on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it could=
get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I agree with=
Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an advantage.
With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the jibe =
(running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the dip), but=
it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly=
every time, but it never really goes haywire either.=20
I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion bases, s=
ince the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when it didn't =
get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great f=
or forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slo=
w down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the c=
ockpit).
Edgar Smith
Pachyderm=
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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Edgar mad=
e a point that I forgot to mention. Having the lazy guy available to help p=
ull the chute down on the douse is a big advantage. We always douse into th=
e fore hatch so that’s a critical factor for us.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
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al><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color=
:#1F497D'>Dave<br>Wolverine<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span=
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;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> frers-list-admin@lists=
.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b>On Behalf Of </=
b>Hoyt, Mike<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [frers-list]tweakers or=
guys?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o=
:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks Edgar<o:p></o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Als=
o race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when=
we race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do d=
ip pole. We were planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we o=
ccasionally race on is a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot mo=
re than F33 and J about the same. Also has a J+1 pole. It alway=
s does end for end despite having a slightly larger spin<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr=
i","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'fon=
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e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href=3D"mailto=
:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>=
[<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-a=
dmin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Edgar Smith<br><b>Sent:</b>=
Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list=
@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Edgar Sm=
ith<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMs=
oNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";c=
olor:black'>Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ult=
ra-light sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes va=
riety we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before bu=
t don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it i=
s really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that makes t=
he jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we wouldn't be =
able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we remove and rep=
lace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a .5 chute and I ha=
ve not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the flight-line in any =
conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the lazy-guy to help stabi=
lize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but we leave the sheet attac=
hed and take it back up for jibes. <br><br>I used twings and end-for-ended =
on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute on the Frers 33 is big enough wi=
th our smallish foredeck crew that it could get tough to re-attach the pole=
to the mast on a windier day. I agree with Dave that doing the same maneuv=
er every time is also an advantage.<br><br>With a dip-pole set-up, it takes=
a little more time to set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward an=
d raising the inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled =
once you are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really=
goes haywire either. <br><br>I also found the twing system on my J-29 was =
hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly f=
air especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Havin=
g the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, but having to let th=
e extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (usually beca=
use of a "foot-cleat" in the cockpit).<br><br>Edgar Smith<br>Pach=
yderm<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=
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