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Mike, IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without =
intense one-designe pressure, I don't see the point.=20
I agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy =
playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that =
reduce the deck-tack distance.=20
Rob
On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:
> Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod =
slightly
> shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to simply remove =
the
> forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and with
> appropriate length thread. Third option is sell the furling unit and
> buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper
> turnbuckle system
>=20
> Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have =
roller
> furling. Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling =
system
> and replace with tuff luff
>=20
> Mike
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
>=20
> The mast remains upright.
>=20
> Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay.
>=20
> Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the
> person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling
> headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards.
> Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top
> pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go =
racing.
> Reverse the process for cruising.
>=20
> The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but
> still easy with two people.
>=20
>=20
>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)"
> <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is
> down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I
> assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the =
mast?
>> Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton
>> F36 owner with the same problem
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20
>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM
>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
>>=20
>> Mike,
>> Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I
> had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads =
and
> not being able to tighten any further. The boat did not point well =
and
> I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air.
>> In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay
> with a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much
> higher. I regret not making the change sooner.
>> If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling
> headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you
> the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short =
time.=20
>> Scott
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at=20=
>>> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers. =
The
>=20
>>> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a=20
>>> Harken
>>> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is =
the
>=20
>>> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on =
the
>=20
>>> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When =
I
>=20
>>> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20=
>>> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there=20=
>>> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the
> rod.
>>> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay =
had
>=20
>>> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns.
>>> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and=20
>>> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. =20=
>>> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed
>>>=20
>>> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt =
placement
>=20
>>> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On=20=
>>> our
>>> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the=20
>>> main halyard and mast at cabin top.
>>>=20
>>> Mike
>>> Persistence
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IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without intense =
one-designe pressure, I don't see the point. <div><br></div><div>I =
agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy =
playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that =
reduce the deck-tack =
distance. </div><div><br></div><div> <span =
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<br><div><div>On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Any =
thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod =
slightly<br>shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to =
simply remove the<br>forestay and replace with wire of appropriate =
length and with<br>appropriate length thread. Third option =
is sell the furling unit and<br>buy a new forestay and more modern =
harken furler that has a proper<br>turnbuckle system<br><br>Downside is =
that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have roller<br>furling. =
Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling =
system<br>and replace with tuff =
luff<br><br>Mike<br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.=
frers33.com</a><br>[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf =
Of Scott Marino<br>Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=
/a><br>Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions<br><br>The mast remains =
upright.<br><br>Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary =
headstay.<br><br>Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom =
pin is removed, the<br>person up high releases the top pin, and lowers =
the roller furling<br>headstay to a person on the ground using another =
one of the halyards.<br>Then raise the racing headstay up on that =
halyard and attached the top<br>pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. =
One on down. Tune up and go racing.<br>Reverse the process for =
cruising.<br><br>The job is quickly and easily done with three people. =
Less quick but<br>still easy with two =
people.<br><br><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, =
"Bruton, Tom (GECAS)"<br></blockquote><<a =
href=3D"mailto:Tom.Bruton@gecas.com">Tom.Bruton@gecas.com</a>> =
wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming =
the mast is<br></blockquote>down? Or is it just the roller furler that's =
being swapped out - I<br>assume an actual head stay change cannot be =
done by a trip up the mast?<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Tks, and sorry =
if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">F36 owner with the same =
problem<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">-----Original =
Message-----<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">From: <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.=
frers33.com</a> <br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of =
Scott Marino<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Sent: Tuesday, =
October 07, 2014 10:10 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">To: =
<a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=
/a><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Subject: Re: =
[frers-list]Rig tensions<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Mike,<br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite">Risoluto =
had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. =
I<br></blockquote>had the same issues as you with regard to =
bottoming out the threads and<br>not being able to tighten any further. =
The boat did not point well and<br>I was never able to remove the =
headstay sag in medium or heavy air.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">In =
year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new =
headstay<br></blockquote>with a twin foil. The boat was instantly =
faster and pointed much<br>higher. I regret not making the change =
sooner.<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">If you can own two headstays, and =
have a way to store the furling<br></blockquote>headstay, you can swap =
them out in less than an hour. This gives you<br>the chance to =
change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time. =
<br><blockquote type=3D"cite">Scott<br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <<a =
href=3D"mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com">Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a>><br><=
/blockquote></blockquote>wrote:<br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Over the weekend I borrowed a =
Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at =
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and =
uppers. The<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">head stay was much more =
difficult as it has what I believe is a =
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Harken<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. =
With this system the furler itself is =
the<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
type=3D"cite">turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are =
internal on the<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">top of the furler but you can =
see the bottom exposed threads. When =
I<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking =
nut would <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">only turn 1/2 turn and then =
seize. I believe this is because there =
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end =
of the<br></blockquote></blockquote>rod.<br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">The lower stud that threads into =
turnbuckle and pins the forestay =
had<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote=
type=3D"cite">approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two =
full turns.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Accordingly I unpinned forestay =
and turned the stud two turns and =
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">then reattached. This is now the maximum I can =
tighten forestay. <br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Note that I also will increase =
tension with backstay as needed<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">I am wondering if this could be =
a function of the mast butt =
placement<br></blockquote></blockquote><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">and mast rake. What is the =
typical measurement for mast rake? On =
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">our<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite">J27 was approx. 15 inches which =
was measured distance between the =
<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">main halyard and mast at cabin =
top.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Mike<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite">Persistence<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><blockquote =
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