[frers-list]Rig tensions

Thu, 9 Oct 2014 08:26:20 -0300

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Rob

Seemed good tension last evening but the wind ended up pretty light.

I suspect my rigger here could suggest how to make current system work =
if it is too long/loose.  Am sticking with roller furling because it =
works well and is very convenient.  Ultimately a low profile furler and =
all sails Incl. racing sails on furler would be ideal (pricey).  Do not =
think I will be doing that as we will only casually race the boat and =
mostly day sail or cruise

Last night was only our second race. Boat is now rigged the way I want =
it for racing.  First time we managed to sail the symmetric spinnaker.  =
Looked good and flew well. Boat working nicely. Rain held off and the 20 =
gusting 30 turned out 5-12knots.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of deconto
Sent: Thu 09/10/2014 12:13 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
=20
Mike, IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without =
intense one-designe pressure, I don't see the point.=20

I agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy =
playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that =
reduce the deck-tack distance.=20

 	Rob

On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:

> Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod =
slightly
> shorter with longer thread on stud?  Second option to simply remove =
the
> forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and  with
> appropriate length thread.  Third option is sell the furling unit and
> buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper
> turnbuckle system
>=20
> Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have =
roller
> furling.  Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the furling =
system
> and replace with tuff luff
>=20
> Mike
>=20
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
>=20
> The mast remains upright.
>=20
> Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay.
>=20
> Yes, someone goes up the mast.  After the bottom pin is removed, the
> person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling
> headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards.
> Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top
> pin.  Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down.  Tune up and go =
racing.
> Reverse the process for cruising.
>=20
> The job is quickly and easily done with three people.  Less quick but
> still easy with two people.
>=20
>=20
>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)"
> <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is
> down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I
> assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the =
mast?
>> Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton
>> F36 owner with the same problem
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20
>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM
>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
>>=20
>> Mike,
>> Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her.  I
> had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads =
and
> not being able to tighten any further.  The boat did not point well =
and
> I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy air.
>> In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay
> with a twin foil.  The boat was instantly faster and pointed much
> higher.  I regret not making the change sooner.
>> If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling
> headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour.  This gives you
> the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short =
time.=20
>> Scott
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at =

>>> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers.  =
The
>=20
>>> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a=20
>>> Harken
>>> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system.  With this system the furler itself is =
the
>=20
>>> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on =
the
>=20
>>> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads.  When =
I
>=20
>>> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would=20
>>> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize.  I believe this is because there=20
>>> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the
> rod.
>>> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay =
had
>=20
>>> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns.
>>> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and=20
>>> then reattached.  This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay. =20
>>> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed
>>>=20
>>> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt =
placement
>=20
>>> and mast rake.  What is the typical measurement for mast rake?  On=20
>>> our
>>> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the=20
>>> main halyard and mast at cabin top.
>>>=20
>>> Mike
>>> Persistence
>>>=20
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