[frers-list]Pole downhaul

Hoyt, Mike frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:23:57 -0300 

This is interesting.  On our last boat (J27) was beside pole uphaul on =
forward edge of sea hood.  The person in the pit controlled pole up and =
down.  On C&C 115 that we race regularly is port side cabintop thru a =
clutch and again controlled by pit person.  If a lot of pressure on a =
windy day a wrap or two around cabintop winch can help.  C&C99 that we =
sometimes race same as C&C 115.  In all cases the pit person has to work =
with the person controlling guy when adjusting pole forward or back.

My number one concern is to eliminate confusion as people move between =
boats.  Also since we have ten clutches and nice winches on cabintop may =
as well use some of them.

Mike



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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

The one time I can think that it makes sense for the main trimmer to do =
it is when  you're trying to square the pole in breeze and you don't =
want to risk it skying, which could happen after it's popped out of the =
cam cleat while the guy is being ground back. If the main trimmer has it =
in his hand he can guard against this. Otherwise, if you have self =
tailing primary winches as we do, then the guy trimmer can grind with =
one hand and keep the downhaul in his other hand as it's easing out.

DN

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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:51 PM
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense.  Have always had pit =
person do the downhaul and work with guy trimmer.  I think I like this =
option even though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top =
port side beside pole down.




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I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the =
downhaul, by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, =
so that person normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as =
needed. There are times where this person is called to another duty so =
in those cases the main trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it =
up.

David Nauber
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping =
lift (pole up) in cabin top clutch.

I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on =
the rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight =
on a rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.

It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the =
windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works =
because there is so much action with a chute flying.

In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of =
cockpit/cabin bulkhead...

We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the =
moment another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be =
positioned to avoid confusion.

Bill Thompson
d'Ad Lib
Montreal
514 942-6709

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:
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> I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20
> genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down.  Up haul is on=20
> the coach roof, no problem.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
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> Hi all
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> Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20
> pole up on a clutch on cabintop.  Most boats we sail on (and from=20
> which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on =
cabintop beside pole up.
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch?  Also has anyone moved=20
> pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?
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> My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that =

> move between boats where possible.  Also want to free up the cam=20
> cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters
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> Mike
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