[frers-list]Pole downhaul
Stephen, Robert
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Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:37:15 +0000
This has been a interesting, enlighten information
Thank you all of your help
Bob Stephen
Frers 36 Itchy Magoo - Chicago
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:24 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
This is interesting. On our last boat (J27) was beside pole uphaul on forw=
ard edge of sea hood. The person in the pit controlled pole up and down. =
On C&C 115 that we race regularly is port side cabintop thru a clutch and a=
gain controlled by pit person. If a lot of pressure on a windy day a wrap =
or two around cabintop winch can help. C&C99 that we sometimes race same a=
s C&C 115. In all cases the pit person has to work with the person control=
ling guy when adjusting pole forward or back.
My number one concern is to eliminate confusion as people move between boat=
s. Also since we have ten clutches and nice winches on cabintop may as wel=
l use some of them.
Mike
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Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:06 AM
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
The one time I can think that it makes sense for the main trimmer to do it =
is when you're trying to square the pole in breeze and you don't want to r=
isk it skying, which could happen after it's popped out of the cam cleat wh=
ile the guy is being ground back. If the main trimmer has it in his hand he=
can guard against this. Otherwise, if you have self tailing primary winche=
s as we do, then the guy trimmer can grind with one hand and keep the downh=
aul in his other hand as it's easing out.
DN
David Nauber
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:51 PM
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense. Have always had pit person d=
o the downhaul and work with guy trimmer. I think I like this option even =
though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top port side besid=
e pole down.
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com on behalf of Dave Nauber
Sent: Wed 15/10/2014 6:21 PM
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the downhaul,=
by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that perso=
n normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are tim=
es where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main t=
rimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up.
David Nauber
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rs33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping lift=
(pole up) in cabin top clutch.
I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on the r=
ail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on a ra=
il under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.
It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the win=
dward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works becaus=
e there is so much action with a chute flying.
In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of cockpit/cabin=
bulkhead...
We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the moment=
another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to avo=
id confusion.
Bill Thompson
d'Ad Lib
Montreal
514 942-6709
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the
> genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down. Up haul is on
> the coach roof, no problem.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
>
> Hi all
>
> Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and
> pole up on a clutch on cabintop. Most boats we sail on (and from
> which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on cabinto=
p beside pole up.
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch? Also has anyone moved
> pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?
>
> My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that
> move between boats where possible. Also want to free up the cam
> cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters
>
> Mike
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