[frers-list]Checkstays and Mainsheet traveller
Hoyt, Mike
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Fri, 15 May 2015 12:32:03 +0000
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Thanks Dave
That arrangement is similar to the J27 stock arrangement on our last boat b=
efore we added a windward sheeting car.
Lots of tweaking to learn with this boat. Adds to the fun!
Mike
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:20 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Checkstays and Mainsheet traveller
Hi Mike,
I'd definitely try to get your traveler arrangement changed. The attached s=
hows how it's done on Wolverine. As Rod says, you should find answers in th=
e tuning guide but let us know if something is not clear or unanswered.
Regards,
Dave
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com<mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frer=
s33.com> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mik=
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Subject: [frers-list]Checkstays and Mainsheet traveller
Checkstays
These are new to us since we have always had boats with swept back spreader=
s and fractional rigs.
How do people tend to use these on the Frers 33? Do you leave them off com=
pletely in lighter wind or use them anyway for better pointing?
Has anyone moved the attachment point further forward on the toerail? A su=
ggestion yesterday was that we could move them forward to an area near the =
primaries and let the jib trimmers run them. Also suggested that a longer =
and lighter line thru the blocks would allow us to keep them in this positi=
on downwind by letting off a lot of line. Add to this a strong bungee to p=
ull the block forward to near the shrouds when fully eased. Currently we h=
ave heavy thick line and we attach at aft end of toerail and then detach an=
d run checkstays forward to middle stanchion base for downwind.
Mainsheet traveler.
The attached photo shows the traveler system on persistence. Cam cleats a=
t right angle to ends of track with line pulling on a horizontal plane at s=
eat level. Am finding that cannot be adjusted while sitting on the coaming=
because difficult to cleat from that angle and the angles for pulling trav=
eler to high side are not ideal. Works best when standing in the cockpit w=
hich seems wrong. A simple (but not free) solution would be to add the win=
dward sheeting adaptor to the car. Other thoughts?
Boat
The Frers 30 seems very forgiving on the helm in that it does not have a na=
rrow groove upwind. We have found that with good sailors aboard the boat i=
s very easy to sail and is not as difficult to dial in as many other boats =
that race. Really enjoying the boat and love that it is a hotel inside to =
boot!
Note that we have applied to register the boat in Canada under the name Per=
sistence. They have approved Persistence V so this will make it easier to =
keep track of this boat's history and future ....
Mike
Persistence
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That arrangement is simil=
ar to the J27 stock arrangement on our last boat before we added a windward=
sheeting car.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Lots of tweaking to learn=
with this boat. Adds to the fun!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’d definitely try =
to get your traveler arrangement changed. The attached shows how it’s=
done on Wolverine. As Rod says, you should find answers in the tuning
guide but let us know if something is not clear or unanswered.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Checkstays<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">These are new to us since=
we have always had boats with swept back spreaders and fractional rigs.&nb=
sp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">How do people tend to use=
these on the Frers 33? Do you leave them off completely in lighter w=
ind or use them anyway for better pointing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Has anyone moved the atta=
chment point further forward on the toerail? A suggestion yesterday w=
as that we could move them forward to an area near the primaries
and let the jib trimmers run them. Also suggested that a longer and =
lighter line thru the blocks would allow us to keep them in this position d=
ownwind by letting off a lot of line. Add to this a strong bungee to =
pull the block forward to near the shrouds
when fully eased. Currently we have heavy thick line and we attach a=
t aft end of toerail and then detach and run checkstays forward to middle s=
tanchion base for downwind.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mainsheet traveler.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The attached photo shows =
the traveler system on persistence. Cam cleats at right angle t=
o ends of track with line pulling on a horizontal plane at seat level. =
;
Am finding that cannot be adjusted while sitting on the coaming because di=
fficult to cleat from that angle and the angles for pulling traveler to hig=
h side are not ideal. Works best when standing in the cockpit which s=
eems wrong. A simple (but not free)
solution would be to add the windward sheeting adaptor to the car. O=
ther thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Boat<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The Frers 30 seems very f=
orgiving on the helm in that it does not have a narrow groove upwind. =
We have found that with good sailors aboard the boat is very
easy to sail and is not as difficult to dial in as many other boats that r=
ace. Really enjoying the boat and love that it is a hotel inside to b=
oot!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Note that we have applied=
to register the boat in Canada under the name Persistence. They have=
approved Persistence V so this will make it easier to keep track
of this boat’s history and future ….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Persistence<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
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