[frers-list]Checkstays and Mainsheet traveller
Bill Thompson
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Fri, 15 May 2015 13:48:25 -0400
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Hey Dave!
d'Ad Lib is in! Looking forward to having you with us when you're in town.
Best,
Bill Thompson
d'Ad Lib
514 942-6709
> On May 15, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Dave Nauber <dnauber@classeaudio.com> wrote:=
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> That's right. Big gains lie in your future!
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> Regards,
> Dave
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>> On May 15, 2015, at 2:32 PM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> Thanks Dave
>> =20
>> That arrangement is similar to the J27 stock arrangement on our last boat=
before we added a windward sheeting car.=20
>> =20
>> Lots of tweaking to learn with this boat. Adds to the fun!
>> =20
>> Mike
>> =20
>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f=
rers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
>> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:20 AM
>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]Checkstays and Mainsheet traveller
>> =20
>> Hi Mike,
>> =20
>> I=E2=80=99d definitely try to get your traveler arrangement changed. The a=
ttached shows how it=E2=80=99s done on Wolverine. As Rod says, you should fi=
nd answers in the tuning guide but let us know if something is not clear or u=
nanswered.
>> =20
>> Regards,
>> =20
>> Dave
>> =20
>> David Nauber
>> President
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>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.f=
rers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
>> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 12:20 PM
>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>> Subject: [frers-list]Checkstays and Mainsheet traveller
>> =20
>> Checkstays
>> =20
>> These are new to us since we have always had boats with swept back spread=
ers and fractional rigs.=20
>> =20
>> How do people tend to use these on the Frers 33? Do you leave them off c=
ompletely in lighter wind or use them anyway for better pointing?
>> =20
>> Has anyone moved the attachment point further forward on the toerail? A s=
uggestion yesterday was that we could move them forward to an area near the p=
rimaries and let the jib trimmers run them. Also suggested that a longer an=
d lighter line thru the blocks would allow us to keep them in this position d=
ownwind by letting off a lot of line. Add to this a strong bungee to pull t=
he block forward to near the shrouds when fully eased. Currently we have he=
avy thick line and we attach at aft end of toerail and then detach and run c=
heckstays forward to middle stanchion base for downwind.=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> Mainsheet traveler.
>> =20
>> The attached photo shows the traveler system on persistence. Cam cleats=
at right angle to ends of track with line pulling on a horizontal plane at s=
eat level. Am finding that cannot be adjusted while sitting on the coaming b=
ecause difficult to cleat from that angle and the angles for pulling travele=
r to high side are not ideal. Works best when standing in the cockpit which=
seems wrong. A simple (but not free) solution would be to add the windward=
sheeting adaptor to the car. Other thoughts?
>> =20
>> Boat
>> =20
>> The Frers 30 seems very forgiving on the helm in that it does not have a n=
arrow groove upwind. We have found that with good sailors aboard the boat i=
s very easy to sail and is not as difficult to dial in as many other boats t=
hat race. Really enjoying the boat and love that it is a hotel inside to bo=
ot!=20
>> =20
>> Note that we have applied to register the boat in Canada under the name P=
ersistence. They have approved Persistence V so this will make it easier to=
keep track of this boat=E2=80=99s history and future =E2=80=A6.
>> =20
>> Mike
>> Persistence
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><div><br></div><div>Best,<br><br>Bill Thompson</div><div>d'Ad Lib<br><div>5=
14 942-6709</div></div><div><br>On May 15, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Dave Nauber &l=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That arrangement is similar=
to the J27 stock arrangement on our last boat before we added a windward sh=
eeting car.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Lots of tweaking to learn w=
ith this boat. Adds to the fun!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.=
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [frers-list]Checkstays and Mainsheet traveller<o:p></o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I=E2=80=99d definitely try t=
o get your traveler arrangement changed. The attached shows how it=E2=80=99s=
done on Wolverine. As Rod says, you should find answers in the tuning
guide but let us know if something is not clear or unanswered.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Checkstays<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">These are new to us since w=
e have always had boats with swept back spreaders and fractional rigs. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">How do people tend to use t=
hese on the Frers 33? Do you leave them off completely in lighter wind=
or use them anyway for better pointing?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Has anyone moved the attach=
ment point further forward on the toerail? A suggestion yesterday was t=
hat we could move them forward to an area near the primaries
and let the jib trimmers run them. Also suggested that a longer and l=
ighter line thru the blocks would allow us to keep them in this position dow=
nwind by letting off a lot of line. Add to this a strong bungee to pul=
l the block forward to near the shrouds
when fully eased. Currently we have heavy thick line and we attach at=
aft end of toerail and then detach and run checkstays forward to middle sta=
nchion base for downwind.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mainsheet traveler.<o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The attached photo shows th=
e traveler system on persistence. Cam cleats at right angle to e=
nds of track with line pulling on a horizontal plane at seat level.
Am finding that cannot be adjusted while sitting on the coaming because dif=
ficult to cleat from that angle and the angles for pulling traveler to high s=
ide are not ideal. Works best when standing in the cockpit which seems=
wrong. A simple (but not free)
solution would be to add the windward sheeting adaptor to the car. Ot=
her thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Boat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The Frers 30 seems very for=
giving on the helm in that it does not have a narrow groove upwind. We=
have found that with good sailors aboard the boat is very
easy to sail and is not as difficult to dial in as many other boats that ra=
ce. Really enjoying the boat and love that it is a hotel inside to boo=
t!
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Note that we have applied t=
o register the boat in Canada under the name Persistence. They have ap=
proved Persistence V so this will make it easier to keep track
of this boat=E2=80=99s history and future =E2=80=A6.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Persistence<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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