[frers-list]RE: Geona Car Parts
Brian Higgins
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:50:24 +0000
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Nice quick thinking on the coat hanger, I know people that have used allen =
wrenches for the same effect, but I would be nervous about damage to the tr=
ack with anything metal!
I was almost going to gamble and buy the mid-range end cap but I hesitant, =
so I tried calling Harken this morning and sent them photos of my car and n=
ext to a J/109 car since it=92s well known what model they have since it=92=
s class mandated. Turns out my guess that it was a midrange size car was w=
rong, and my boat came originally with the bigboat sized cars, 32mm (had to=
drive to DC this morning so I haven=92t had a chance to measure anything s=
ince it broke yesterday), so a lot beefier than the 22mm you originally had=
, and I can understand why you were breaking so many parts before.
Also worth mentioning, Neil from Harken Tech Support was very helpful and a=
ccommodating, is sending me over all the part numbers I need and also some =
other parts to fix some other little issues I want to improve on elsewhere =
on the boat (I did have him on the phone afterall). Was pleasantly surpris=
ed, I expected them to be impossible to reach or to get through to without =
being a dealer or authorized something or other, and that absolutely was no=
t the case.
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co=
m> on behalf of Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 8:42:32 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]RE: Geona Car Parts
Hi Brian
This happened on Persistence a number of times. We used to have the 22 mm =
tracks and cars. You can order the end caps here https://ca.binnacle.com/p=
roduct_info.php?products_id=3D9400 These tracks and cars came with the boa=
t but are undersized. Our port side car came off twice in the manner you d=
escribed and stbd once. Two years ago we replaced the entire track and car=
s both sides with the Harken midrange 27 mm track and cars. We no longer =
have this problem.
One point that I learned during all this is that routine maintenance involv=
es rinsing the cars and tracks occasionally as debris tends to gather along=
the track and harms the bearings which can eventually lead to the cars com=
ing off.
The midrange cars are no longer made for the low beam track that was used i=
n manufacture back in 1987. However you may be able to find some if you se=
ar hard enough. My advice is when you find the end caps buy spares and ext=
ra bearings.
An amusing story about this. Persistence was in a 6 day regatta in Baddeck=
, Nova Scotia. On the second last day our bow guy mentioned there were bea=
rings coming out of stbd car at end of the day. Saturday was the 20 mile f=
inale to the regatta. We pushed the extra bearings back in by hand and tap=
ed the car ends in place using a LOT of electric tape. On the Saturday we =
decided we would leave the car in one place and hope it held. There were t=
hree 3mile WW legs, 3 DW 3 mile legs and a short reach to the finish in WW/=
LW course in 15-18 knots TWS. We were having a great race until the stbd =
car came off while rounding on the start of our final WW leg. The guys on =
the bow got the pole down in record time and we tacked to stbd. There was =
a plastic coat anger in the locker about the same diameter as the bearings.=
We cut two 6 inch sections and jammed them between the car and the track =
on both sides in place of bearings and taped the mess up. It held and we o=
nly lost about 3 boat length in the mess and came first in the race. The c=
urators from the Bell museum brought down the trophy wearing white gloves f=
or the presentation and then took it back to the Alexander Graham Bell muse=
um. The port side went the next year in a race and we tried the coat hange=
r trick again but it did not work that time.
The most amusing part of this story is that two of the three times this hap=
pened we came first in the race.
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33 #16
www.hoytsailing.com
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Brian Higgins
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 9:00 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Geona Car Parts
The end plate on my port side genoa car failed today spilling the bearings =
out all over the deck, thankfully we caught it before going back up on the =
jib as the car simply came off the track in my hand when I shook it a littl=
e.
It appears Harken doesn=92t make this car anymore, and they have also disco=
ntinued the 1537 midrange car also used by the J/109=92s that superseded th=
e ones we have. The broken end plate is easily replaceable, but I don=92=
t know the part number for the car we have (it=92s slightly different shape=
than the newer 1537 car) to even try to find a replacement end plate.
Does anyone know the model number of the car we have, or even better the pa=
rt number for replacement the plastic end plates that keep the bearings ins=
ide?
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Nice quick thinking on the coat hanger, I know peopl=
e that have used allen wrenches for the same effect, but I would be nervous=
about damage to the track with anything metal!</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was almost going to gamble and buy the mid-range e=
nd cap but I hesitant, so I tried calling Harken this morning and sent them=
photos of my car and next to a J/109 car since it=92s well known what mode=
l they have since it=92s class mandated.
Turns out my guess that it was a midrange size car was wrong, and my boat =
came originally with the bigboat sized cars, 32mm (had to drive to DC this =
morning so I haven=92t had a chance to measure anything since it broke yest=
erday), so a lot beefier than the
22mm you originally had, and I can understand why you were breaking so man=
y parts before. </p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also worth mentioning, Neil from Harken Tech Support=
was very helpful and accommodating, is sending me over all the part number=
s I need and also some other parts to fix some other little issues I want t=
o improve on elsewhere on the boat
(I did have him on the phone afterall). Was pleasantly surprised, I =
expected them to be impossible to reach or to get through to without being =
a dealer or authorized something or other, and that absolutely was not the =
case.</p>
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yle=3D"font-size:11pt" color=3D"#000000"><b>From:</b> frers-list-admin@list=
s.frers33.com <frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> on behalf of Hoyt,=
Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 10, 2019 8:42:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Brian<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">This happened on Persi=
stence a number of times. We used to have the 22 mm tracks and cars.&=
nbsp; You can order the end caps here
<a href=3D"https://ca.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=3D9400">htt=
ps://ca.binnacle.com/product_info.php?products_id=3D9400</a> These tr=
acks and cars came with the boat but are undersized. Our port side ca=
r came off twice in the manner you described and
stbd once. Two years ago we replaced the entire track and cars both =
sides with the Harken midrange 27 mm track and cars. We no long=
er have this problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">One point that I learn=
ed during all this is that routine maintenance involves rinsing the cars an=
d tracks occasionally as debris tends to gather along the track and harms t=
he bearings which can eventually lead
to the cars coming off.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The midrange cars are =
no longer made for the low beam track that was used in manufacture back in =
1987. However you may be able to find some if you sear hard enough.&n=
bsp; My advice is when you find the end caps buy
spares and extra bearings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">An amusing story about=
this. Persistence was in a 6 day regatta in Baddeck, Nova Scotia.&nb=
sp; On the second last day our bow guy mentioned there were bearings coming=
out of stbd car at end of the day. Saturday
was the 20 mile finale to the regatta. We pushed the extra bearings =
back in by hand and taped the car ends in place using a LOT of electric tap=
e. On the Saturday we decided we would leave the car in one place and=
hope it held. There were three 3mile WW
legs, 3 DW 3 mile legs and a short reach to the finish in WW/ LW course in=
15-18 knots TWS. We were having a great race until the stbd car came=
off while rounding on the start of our final WW leg. The guys on the=
bow got the pole down in record time and
we tacked to stbd. There was a plastic coat anger in the locker abou=
t the same diameter as the bearings. We cut two 6 inch sections and j=
ammed them between the car and the track on both sides in place of bearings=
and taped the mess up. It held and we only
lost about 3 boat length in the mess and came first in the race. The=
curators from the Bell museum brought down the trophy wearing white gloves=
for the presentation and then took it back to the Alexander Graham Bell mu=
seum. The port side went the next year
in a race and we tried the coat hanger trick again but it did not work tha=
t time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">The most amusing part =
of this story is that two of the three times this happened we came first in=
the race.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Mike<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Persistence<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">1987 Frers 33 #16<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">www.hoytsailing.com<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
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st-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Higgins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 09, 2019 9:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [frers-list]Geona Car Parts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The end plate on my port side genoa car failed today=
spilling the bearings out all over the deck, thankfully we caught it befor=
e going back up on the jib as the car simply came off the track in my hand =
when I shook it a little.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It appears Harken doesn=92t make this car anymore, a=
nd they have also discontinued the 1537 midrange car also used by the J/109=
=92s that superseded the ones we have. The broken end pla=
te is easily replaceable, but I don=92t know the part number
for the car we have (it=92s slightly different shape than the newer 1537 c=
ar) to even try to find a replacement end plate.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Does anyone know the model number of the car we have=
, or even better the part number for replacement the plastic end plates tha=
t keep the bearings inside?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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