[frers-list]bilge water & garboard plugs, etc.........
Courtney Thomas
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Hi Courtney
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We started with something similar to thisBuy Sea Dog Garboard Drain & Plug =
Machined Bronze in Canada Binnacle.com
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Drilled the hole low in the bilge, epoxied and screwed in place from the in=
side
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The process on our J27 is documented here:
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Garbord Drain (hoytsailing.com)
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Mike
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John,
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Thanks for the reply.
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Could you be specific about how you'd go about installing a garboard plug o=
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Appreciatively,
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Courtney Thomas
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We had garboard drains on our previous two boats (Niagara 26 and J/27) but =
not on Persistence.=C2=A0 On the J boat I installed from INSIDE the bilge a=
nd then in the spring would fair over the outer opening with a polyester fi=
ller so that it was smooth.=C2=A0 In the Fall would remove the plug from th=
e inside and pop out the filler on the outside.=C2=A0 By installing from th=
e inside rather than from outside there was no disturbance in flow over the=
area
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For water ingress our biggest problem was always the mast.=C2=A0 Some years=
it was over two months before we managed to seal up most of the leaks at t=
hat area.=C2=A0 Last year we installed Spar Tite. No more water coming from=
mast
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PS. Persistence is getting a new paint job!
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Mike
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Persistence
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Halifax, NS
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co=
m> On Behalf Of John Aquino
Sent: January 21, 2023 10:55 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]bilge water & garboard plugs, etc.........
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I have not installed a drain plug for when the boat is on the hard. This wa=
s recommended to me but this year we moved Moose inside for the winter. May=
be next year. I had a drain plug on my previous boat. It was located at the=
lowest point feasible. Do not forget to put it back before launching the b=
oat. This was forgotten one year with the previous boat when the yard ignor=
ed my written reminder and I arrived to find water an inch or two above the=
cabin sole. They had to haul the boat back out, drain it out, install the =
plug and relaunch.
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While under way, if you run the bilge pump while the boat is level, for exa=
mple before you get under way, then the water level should be low enough to=
keep the water in the bilge. The source of water intrusion on Moose appear=
s to be rain. If you will be under way in the rain then additional water ma=
y accumulate. The other source is the propeller shaft and the stuffing box =
should be properly maintained, or install a dripless stuffing box which is =
what we have on Moose.
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Finally, leave a terry rag in the corner on the floor and keep a bucket han=
dy in case you need it. For that purpose, and also when cleaning the bilge,=
dish gloves ease the wear and tear on your skin.
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<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style="">Hi Courtney</span></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style="">We started with something similar to this
</span><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://ca.binnacle.com/p2236/Sea-Dog-Garboard-Drain-&-Plug-Machined-Bronze-520040/product_info.html">Buy Sea Dog Garboard Drain & Plug Machined Bronze in Canada Binnacle.com</a></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style="">Drilled the hole low in the bilge, epoxied and screwed in place from the inside</span></p>
<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></p>
<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style="">The process on our J27 is documented here:</span></p>
<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><a rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://hoytsailing.com/J27Web/Projects/Phase2/garboard_drain.htm">Garbord Drain (hoytsailing.com)</a><span style=""></span></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style="">Mike</span></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Thanks for the reply.</span></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;">Could you be specific about how you'd go about installing a garboard plug on a Frers 33, please ?</span></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">We had garboard drains on our previous two boats (Niagara 26 and J/27) but not on Persistence. On the J boat I installed from INSIDE the bilge
and then in the spring would fair over the outer opening with a polyester filler so that it was smooth. In the Fall would remove the plug from the inside and pop out the filler on the outside. By installing from the inside rather than from outside there
was no disturbance in flow over the area</span></p>
<p class="yiv7152089935msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"> </span></p>
<p class="yiv7152089935msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">For water ingress our biggest problem was always the mast. Some years it was over two months before we managed to seal up most of the leaks at
that area. Last year we installed Spar Tite. No more water coming from mast</span></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">PS. Persistence is getting a new paint job!</span></p>
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<p class="yiv7152089935msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Persistence</span></p>
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<frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aquino<br clear="none">
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<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">I have not installed a drain plug for when the boat is on the hard. This was recommended to me but this year we moved Moose inside for the winter. Maybe next year. I had a drain
plug on my previous boat. It was located at the lowest point feasible. Do not forget to put it back before launching the boat. This was forgotten one year with the previous boat when the yard ignored my written reminder and I arrived to find water an inch
or two above the cabin sole. They had to haul the boat back out, drain it out, install the plug and relaunch.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">While under way, if you run the bilge pump while the boat is level, for example before you get under way, then the water level should be low enough to keep the water in the bilge.
The source of water intrusion on Moose appears to be rain. If you will be under way in the rain then additional water may accumulate. The other source is the propeller shaft and the stuffing box should be properly maintained, or install a dripless stuffing
box which is what we have on Moose.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
<p><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;">Finally, leave a terry rag in the corner on the floor and keep a bucket handy in case you need it. For that purpose, and also when cleaning the bilge, dish gloves ease the wear
and tear on your skin.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;color:#26282A;"></span></p>
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