[shelby research]Re: SHELBY- WLS Surnames List

[Judith A Trolinger]

Hi again Rowland,
   Didn't mean to take so long with this--

Yes, in 1749 Evan Shelby and wife Catherine Morgan, sold at least part of 
the Mountain of Wales to Andrew Blair..and then about 1765 Evan and 
Catherine's son Evan Jr (wf Letitia Cox) sold a part of The Resurvey to the 
Mountain of Wales, to Andrew.

Your questions have been a 'sticky wicket' for more years than I can count!

Have not been able to find any indications that Catherine Morgan came here 
with any of her family.

Yes, Phillip Selby/Shelby is as far as we can document..

Andrew Blair was not the f-i-l to Evan Shelby [wf Catherine] The thought on 
this by early Shelby searchers was based on the thought that Catherine was 
a Davies/Davis, and therefore must be a sister to Andrew's wife. Then 
because the Shelby's sold their land to Andrew, they must be related.
Then since Evan and Catherine had a son Rees with a wife Mary...Mary must 
have been Andrew's daughter.. Admittedly at the time (early 1900s) it all 
seemed plausible but all was question marked..somewhere along the line all 
or most of the question marks got dropped and it got into print as 
fact..The Shelbys apparently did not make any attempt at researching the 
Blair side..

Researchers have a tendency to use Davies/Davis interchangeably, and that 
makes the research harder. But to the best of my knowledge (at the moment) 
I don't see a Shelby connection to Andrew's wife. No, Evan and Catherine 
didn't have a daugher Catherine--that we know of...
Evan and Letitia Shelby had a daughter Catherine, but she wasn't born until 
1755 and is documented.

Bottom line is... No one has been able to prove OR disprove a Shelby-Blair 
marriage..Two of the stopping points-
Andrew Blair names a daughter Mary SHILVY in his will..have not been able 
to prove or disprove if this was a misspelling for Shelby.
2nd...No one seems to know when Mary was born, or her birth order, but it 
would have to have been after 1735, and therefore pushing her marriageable 
age into the early 1760s..
+++++++
The data for Evan, his parents, and children, come (in part) from the 
records found at St Caron's church, in Tregaron (now Dyfd) Cardiganshire, 
Wales [have photocopies]; and currently have alot of documentation that was 
not readily available to the earlier researchers.

Many original records can be found in THE SHELBY FAMILY PAPERS, Library of 
Congress.  These records have been microfilmed [I have them] and can be 
found at the Filson Club Library in Louisville, KY and also the State 
Archives in Nashville, TN- and probably other large libraries.

Judy Trolinger

At 10:36 AM 9/5/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Judith, thanks for answering. I am descended from Andrew Blair &
>Elizabeth Davis, she was rumored to be descended from a Catherine Shelby?
>It gets very confusing about
>that time. Andrew was supposed to have bought the Mountain of Wales from
>Evan Shelby in 1750 Evan was supposed to be his Father in Law. In Wales I am
>just trying to find out where the Shelby's or Selby's came from? Philip
>seems to have been the first in Tregaron?? One of my problems is Elizabeth
>Davis b 1716 in Pa, seems there are at least 3 Elizabeth Davis's born in
>1716 in Pa??? Also I see some reference to The Davies family don't know if
>they are same family, looks like Davies was probably how they spelled it in
>Wales. The Davis name seems to be like Smith all over the place.
>
>Do you have a Catherine as a daughter of Evan Shelby if so what birthdate
>and who did she marry, maybe John Davis father of Elizabeth Davis 1716 and
>Daniel Davis and maybe David Davis????
>
>Evan Shelby married Catherine Morgan is she related to the Morgans of
>Morgantown Va & WVa.
>
>Is Philip Shelby as far back as you go in Wales?
>
>Rowland Smuck of Roseburg, OR
>
>