[shelby research]my family history.............

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Hi Robb,

Have you had any luck in your search?  Martin should be on a 1900 census. I 
may just be re-tracing your steps- but for what it is worth......

Martin and Anna had to live close enough to each other to meet and 
'court'  but haven't run across a marriage record. The Shelby's in Indiana 
were thicker than sandfleas-but don't find a Martin here in 1900-or in OH 
for that matter... Unless the Indexes aren't helping...

1910 census for Cincinnati, Hamilton Co, OH, taken 26 April, 17-Ward, p33:
Martin Shelby is 23, married 3 years, he and parents born in Indiana
Anna, wife, is 21, has 1 of 1 children living, she and parents born in Ohio
Earl, son, is 22 months, b OH   [he's on later census this county as Earl 
Martin Shelby]

Had your father been born in 1909 he would have been on this census...so a 
1910 birth may be correct....
Keep in mind that in 1910 the census day was 15 April 1910 -It didn't 
matter what day the census taker actually visited the family- He was 
required by law to record everyone who lived in that household on the 
census day

"...all the questions refer to the day when the emumeration is to 
commence;...Your assistants will thereby understand that they are to insert 
in their returns all the persons belonging to the family, even those who 
may be deceased at the time when they take the account; and, on the other 
hand, that they will not include in it, infants born after that date..." 
[actual instructions given to all the U.S. Marshals]
         Giving stronger credence to your father's birthdate as being July 
1910...
'course not helping matters-SS # shown as born 19 July 1909- and death 
record shows it as 7 July 1909. I would send for a copy of the original SS 
application in order to verify...

[Keep in mind [except census] these are printed sources I'm quoting]

 From ANCESTRY.com - death records for Ohio: [more data provided-just not 
posting, re-privacy]
Name:   Cliffor C Shelby [sic]
Date of Death:   10 June 1985
Birth Date:   07 July 1909
Social Security Number:
Marital Status:   Widowed
Place of Death:   , Butler County
Race:   White
Birth Place:   Ohio
Residence:   , Butler County
Age:   75 Years

Social Security Death Index [ROOTSWEB.com] Although these are public domain 
records, they are not 'attached' to families-So for privacy on this list, 
I'm not going to include the SS number.
Clifford Shelby - gives birthdate as -19 Jul 1909, died June 1985

Does Indiana ring any bells? Could Martin have been a middle name that he 
could have gone by? This is the only census [1910] I find Martin and Anna 
on an Index  I mention this, because there is a chance they could be on an 
actual census, and either missed by the indexer, or the name spelled wrong.

On the 1900 census for Cincinnati is this, taken 4 June: I didn't copy all 
info- [The 1900 census day was 1 June]
Elizabeth Karl, 48, widow, born WV
Minnie, dau age 27 b WV
Charles, son, 21, b WV
Anna, dau, 10, b March 1890 WV -- Keep in mind, census ages vary depending 
on when it was taken and who gave the information

Could this be Anna?????? Found this on ANCESTRY.com - With this info you 
could write the courthouse for this record- It may contain more data..
Death certificate #
Anna Shelby, died 14 April 1966, Reading, Hamilton Co, OH; age 78; widowed
   This places her birth date as about 1888. She's not on the Social 
Security Death Index files

Suggest posting queries to the various on line message boards-they are all free

You know that Hazel Shelby, born 11 Aug 1919, died Feb 1986 in Cincinnati, 
and married a FIFE, was Martin's sister -right?
It will cost- but you can get a copy of her social security application - 
It will name her parents-including the mother's maiden name. And may also 
include where the parents were born -and other data re-family that may 
provide more clues. Do the same for your father...

Hopefully this will give you a jump start...

PS - privacy issue...I have limited info given here, although all of the 
above was taken from Internet sources, they are not attached to living 
families..no point in making it easy for scamers :-)
Also, this mail list archives are available on line to anyone

Judy

At 11:32 PM 4/9/05, you wrote:
>people,
>I guess the subject is kinda vague & somewhat misleading, as I really 
>don't have much family history to share. gotta admit, for most of my life, 
>I wasn't really concerned about it. as I grow older, it seems, somehow, 
>not just more important, but very important, to find out about my roots, 
>as these are the roots MY children will, one day, want to touch & know.
>my name is robert earl shelby, b. 2 sept 1947, in cincinnati, oh.
>my father was clifford charles (buck) shelby, sr. b. 7 jul 1909 or 1910, 
>in cincinnati, d. 10 jun 1985 in monroe, oh.
>my mother was lakiebird (mitchell) shelby, b. 10 oct 1921, in parkersburg 
>wv. d. 9 jun 1985 in monroe oh. both of my parents are buried in arlington 
>cemetary, mt healthy, oh.
>my paternal grandparents were martin shelby & anna (karl) shelby. they 
>both died during my early childhood, & I know little about either, except 
>that they lived & died in cincinnati, & that my grandmother was either all 
>or part indian. this was mentioned a number of times during my childhood, 
>but I never bothered to nail down a complete story.
>my maternal grandparents were isaac oda (sp) mitchell & cora (bush) 
>mitchell. they were married in wv prior, I believe, to WWI, & moved to 
>cincinnati in the very early 30's. Both lived their later years & died in 
>maud, oh. I have no specific knowledge of dates or places of burial for 
>any of my grandparents. although my mother was at least in contact with 
>her siblings, my father, for reasons never made clear to me, rarely spoke 
>to or spoke off his siblings. my mother's siblings, all born in wv before 
>the depression, & living in southwest oh after WWII, were james mitchell, 
>earl mithell, junior arly mitchell & laura (mitchell) lavely. if she had 
>other siblings, I'm not aware of them. I'm a good deal less certain of my 
>father's siblings. these names I do know: virgil shelby, earl shelby, 
>margeret shelby, hazel (shelby) fife & virginia shelby. all were born in 
>cincinnati prior to WWI, & lived their lives there. to the best of my 
>knowledge, all of these have passed away, but I have no certain dates.
>I had three brothers, all born in cincinnati.
>lawrence edward shelby b. 22 aug 1946 d. ? nov 1996; clifford charles 
>(chuck) shelby, jr b. 14 may 1949; & joseph lee shelby b. 9 may 1954 d. ? 
>oct 2000 - for whatever reason, I cannot recall the exact dates of my 
>brothers deaths........
>but, that is what I know of my family's history. I know I've tossed in a 
>lot of stuff that may be meaningless, as well as left a lot of holes that 
>may be critical, but I'm hoping some of what I've shared will strike a 
>chord with another member of the shelby family. feel free to contact me.
>thanx,
>robb shelby
>< <mailto:robbshelby@fuse.net>robbshelby@fuse.net >

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Hi Robb, 
Have you had any luck in your search?&nbsp; Martin should be on a 1900
census. I may just be re-tracing your steps- but for what it is
worth...... 
Martin and Anna had to live close enough to each other to meet and
'court'&nbsp; but haven't run across a marriage record. The Shelby's in
Indiana were thicker than sandfleas-but don't find a Martin here in
1900-or in OH for that matter... Unless the Indexes aren't
helping... 
1910 census for Cincinnati, Hamilton Co, OH, taken 26 April,
17-Ward, p33: 
Martin Shelby is 23, married 3 years, he and parents born in
Indiana 
Anna, wife, is 21, has 1 of 1 children living, she and parents born
in Ohio 
Earl, son, is 22 months, b OH&nbsp;&nbsp; [he's on later census this
county as Earl Martin Shelby] 
Had your father been born in 1909 he would have been on this census...so
a 1910 birth may be correct.... 
Keep in mind that in 1910 the census day was 15 April 1910 -It
didn't matter what day the census taker actually visited the family- He
was required by law to record everyone who lived in that household on the
census day 
&quot;...all the questions refer to the day when the emumeration
is to commence;...Your assistants will thereby understand that they are
to insert in their returns all the persons belonging to the family, even
those who may be deceased at the time when they take the account; and, on
the other hand, that they will not include in it, infants born
after that date...&quot; [actual instructions given to all the U.S.
Marshals] 
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Giving stronger credence
to your father's birthdate as being July 1910... 
'course not helping matters-SS # shown as born 19 July 1909- and death
record shows it as 7 July 1909. I would send for a copy of the original
SS application in order to verify... 
[Keep in mind [except census] these are printed sources I'm
quoting] 
 From ANCESTRY.com - death records for Ohio: [more data provided-just not
posting, re-privacy] 
Name:&nbsp;&nbsp; Cliffor C Shelby [sic] 
Date of Death:&nbsp;&nbsp; 10 June 1985 
Birth Date:&nbsp;&nbsp; 07 July 1909 
Social Security Number: 
Marital Status:&nbsp;&nbsp; Widowed 
Place of Death:&nbsp;&nbsp; , Butler County 
Race:&nbsp;&nbsp; White 
Birth Place:&nbsp;&nbsp; Ohio 
Residence:&nbsp;&nbsp; , Butler County 
Age:&nbsp;&nbsp; 75 Years 
Social Security Death Index [ROOTSWEB.com] Although these are public
domain records, they are not 'attached' to families-So for privacy on
this list, I'm not going to include the SS number. 
Clifford Shelby - gives birthdate as -19 Jul 1909, died June
1985 
Does Indiana ring any bells? Could Martin have been a middle name that he
could have gone by? This is the only census [1910] I find Martin and Anna
on an Index&nbsp; I mention this, because there is a chance they
could be on an actual census, and either missed by the indexer, or the
name spelled wrong. 
On the 1900 census for Cincinnati is this, taken 4 June: I didn't copy
all info- [The 1900 census day was 1 June] 
Elizabeth Karl, 48, widow, born WV 
Minnie, dau age 27 b WV 
Charles, son, 21, b WV 
Anna, dau, 10, b March 1890 WV -- Keep in mind, census ages vary
depending on when it was taken and who gave the information 
Could this be Anna?????? Found this on ANCESTRY.com - With this info you
could write the courthouse for this record- It may contain more
data.. 
Death certificate # 
Anna Shelby, died 14 April 1966, Reading, Hamilton Co, OH; age 78;
widowed 
&nbsp; This places her birth date as about 1888. She's not on the Social
Security Death Index files 
Suggest posting queries to the various on line message boards-they are
all free 
You know that Hazel Shelby, born 11 Aug 1919, died Feb 1986 in
Cincinnati, and married a FIFE, was Martin's sister -right? 
It will cost- but you can get a copy of her social security application -
It will name her parents-including the mother's maiden name. And may also
include where the parents were born -and other data re-family that may
provide more clues. Do the same for your father... 
Hopefully this will give you a jump start... 
PS - privacy issue...I have limited info given here, although all of the
above was taken from Internet sources, they are not attached to living
families..no point in making it easy for scamers :-) 
Also, this mail list archives are available on line to anyone 
Judy 
At 11:32 PM 4/9/05, you wrote: 
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">people, 
I guess the subject is kinda vague &amp; somewhat misleading, as I really
don't have much family history to share. gotta admit, for most of my
life, I wasn't really concerned about it. as I grow older, it seems,
somehow, not just more important, but very important, to find out about
my roots, as these are the roots MY children will, one day, want to touch
&amp; know. 
my name is robert earl shelby, b. 2 sept 1947, in cincinnati, oh. 
my father was clifford charles (buck) shelby, sr. b. 7 jul 1909 or 1910,
in cincinnati, d. 10 jun 1985 in monroe, oh. 
my mother was lakiebird (mitchell) shelby, b. 10 oct 1921, in parkersburg
wv. d. 9 jun 1985 in monroe oh. both of my parents are buried in
arlington cemetary, mt healthy, oh. 
my paternal grandparents were martin shelby &amp; anna (karl) shelby.
they both died during my early childhood, &amp; I know little about
either, except that they lived &amp; died in cincinnati, &amp; that my
grandmother was either all or part indian. this was mentioned a number of
times during my childhood, but I never bothered to nail down a complete
story. 
my maternal grandparents were isaac oda (sp) mitchell &amp; cora (bush)
mitchell. they were married in wv prior, I believe, to WWI, &amp; moved
to cincinnati in the very early 30's. Both lived their later years &amp;
died in maud, oh. I have no specific knowledge of dates or places of
burial for any of my grandparents. although my mother was at least in
contact with her siblings, my father, for reasons never made clear to me,
rarely spoke to or spoke off his siblings. my mother's siblings, all born
in wv before the depression, &amp; living in southwest oh after WWII,
were james mitchell, earl mithell, junior arly mitchell &amp; laura
(mitchell) lavely. if she had other siblings, I'm not aware of them. I'm
a good deal less certain of my father's siblings. these names I do know:
virgil shelby, earl shelby, margeret shelby, hazel (shelby) fife &amp;
virginia shelby. all were born in cincinnati prior to WWI, &amp; lived
their lives there. to the best of my knowledge, all of these have passed
away, but I have no certain dates. 
I had three brothers, all born in cincinnati. 
lawrence edward shelby b. 22 aug 1946 d. ? nov 1996; clifford charles
(chuck) shelby, jr b. 14 may 1949; &amp; joseph lee shelby b. 9 may 1954
d. ? oct 2000 - for whatever reason, I cannot recall the exact dates of
my brothers deaths........ 
but, that is what I know of my family's history. I know I've tossed in a
lot of stuff that may be meaningless, as well as left a lot of holes that
may be critical, but I'm hoping some of what I've shared will strike a
chord with another member of the shelby family. feel free to contact
me. 
thanx, 
robb shelby 
&lt; <a href=3D"mailto:robbshelby@fuse.net">robbshelby@fuse.net</a>
&gt;</blockquote>
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hoberta@hilconet.com 
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