[frers-list]Sailing Up-wind

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Junius,

I agree, have new sails, Kevlar/Mylar North and UK.  Have a professionally
finished bottom painted with VC Offshore with Teflon and then wet sanded
with 600 until it had a high gloss finish.  Have reduced some weight in the
boat around 100 excess pounds including that big oven/stove which I replaced
with a 2 burner stove only job.  Will look for more to remove from the boat.

One thing that I have that more and more I know is not right is an extender
on the forestay which extends it an additional 5 inches.  This acts to
increase the mast rake and I'm pretty sure Mr. Frers didn't design that into
the boat and Carroll Marine didn't build it into the boat.

Thanks,
Frank 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brown, Junius {PCNA} [mailto:Junius.Brown@pepsi.com]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 16:08
To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Sailing Up-wind

Sounds stupid, but start with making sure your bottom is fair, sails are
new, and the boat is light.  In my first season I suffered from a serious
boat speed problem that was amazingly fixed by these three things!

Agree that apparent wind should be between 26-28 once you are up to speed.
You should outpoint all of the competition, always gaining height even if
you are giving up some speed - if you have VMG instrument, use it.  Agree on
Hiking!  Also - Don't underestimate the importance of the main to powering
the boat.  Agree on the outboard leads (and forward), but I still havent
completely cracked the code off the wind, though I suspect sailing lower
than predicted by the curves is faster.
-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Black
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 12:37 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]Sailing Up-wind
I'm still struggling also, and against slower competition.  One thing I have
found is that as soon as we are not hard on the wind it pays big time to
move the jib lead to the rail from the track.  Also in heavy air (20+kts)
I'll put the #3 lead on the rail, I give up a few degrees pointing but the
main traveller can then be played down quite a bit and the helm is much
lighter. When we do hit the groove the boat really moves.

I just found some polars based on IMS for the boat that shows up-wind
apparent wind angle of 26 deg. for pretty much all wind speeds and with a
full crew on the rail.

Jerry Black
Pelirrojas 42222

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gloss
finish.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>Have reduced =
some weight
in the boat around 100 excess pounds including that big oven/stove =
which I
replaced with a 2 burner stove only job.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;
</span>Will look for more to remove from the =
boat.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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pretty sure Mr.
Frers didn&#8217;t design that into the boat and Carroll Marine =
didn&#8217;t build it into
the boat.<o:p></o:p>

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Brown, Junius =
{PCNA}
[mailto:Junius.Brown@pepsi.com]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, June 04, =
2004 16:08<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
[frers-list]Sailing
Up-wind</span></font></p>

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color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Sounds stupid, =
but start
with making sure your bottom is fair, sails are new, and the boat is
light.&nbsp; In my first season I suffered from a serious boat speed =
problem
that was amazingly fixed by these three things!</span></font><font =
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color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Agree that =
apparent wind
should be between 26-28 once you are up to speed.&nbsp; You should =
outpoint all
of the competition, always gaining height even if you are giving up =
some speed
- if you have VMG instrument, use it.&nbsp; Agree on Hiking!&nbsp; Also =
- Don't
underestimate the importance of the main to powering the boat.&nbsp; =
Agree on
the outboard leads (and forward), but&nbsp;I still havent completely =
cracked
the code off the wind, though I suspect sailing lower than predicted by =
the
curves is faster.</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span =
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Jerry Black<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, June 03, =
2004
12:37 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> =
[frers-list]Sailing
Up-wind</span></font><font color=3Dblack><span =
style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

I'm still struggling also, and =
against slower
competition.&nbsp; One thing I have found is that as soon as we are not =
hard on
the wind it pays big time to move the jib lead to the rail from the
track.&nbsp; Also in heavy air (20+kts) I'll put the #3 lead on the =
rail, I
give up a few degrees pointing but the main traveller can then be =
played down
quite a bit and the helm is much lighter. When we do hit the groove the =
boat
really moves.<o:p></o:p>

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I just found some polars based on =
IMS for
the boat that shows up-wind apparent wind angle of 26 deg. for pretty =
much all
wind speeds and with a full crew on the rail.<o:p></o:p>=

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Pelirrojas =
42222</span></font><font
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