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You guys on the east coast must have it pretty sweet racing with your soft ratings. Here on Lake michigan we race at 108-and that was moved DOWn from a 11 a few years back. And we havetop race against J 105's olson 30's olson 34's Shoch 35's and express 34's, Beneteau 36.6 and a few Hunter 375's and an occasional Ben First 10 and hobie 33's. I'l be real interested in seeing what you end up with.
Frank Wittosch
Pepperke 2.0
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> 1. RE: PHRF Rating (Albert Francis X NSSC)
> 2. Re: PHRF Rating (JCBlack099@aol.com)
> 3. RE: PHRF Rating (Allan Heyward)
> 4. Re: PHRF Rating (Dan Boyd)
> 5. RE: PHRF Rating (Albert Francis X NSSC)
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> Message: 1
> From: Albert Francis X NSSC
> To: "'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'"
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:32:32 -0400
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> I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot of
> places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the slowest
> boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119. At 120 we'd
> be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to 154.
>
> Frank Albert
> Relentless
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> What's your PHRF rating & where are you located?
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:48:30 -0400
> From: JCBlack099@aol.com
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> GYA 111, only 2 registered. One in New Orleans and Pelirrojas here on
> Chaoctawhatchee Bay.
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> Jerry
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> Message: 3
> From: "Allan Heyward"
> To:
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:52:34 -0400
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> A friend here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who
> raced on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes
> strongly that they should be at least 120. He says he has the data to
> support it which he has offered should we decide to ask for
> reconsideration of the base rating on the Chesapeake. I've been
> reluctant to pursue it since it would affect others and could backfire
> given the lower base ratings elsewhere.
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> Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
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> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
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> 804-747-4500
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis
> X NSSC
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:33 AM
> To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
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> I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot
> of places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the
> slowest boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119.
> At 120 we'd be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to
> 154.
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> Frank Albert
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> Relentless
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
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> What's your PHRF rating & where are you located?
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> >gm
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> From:
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Albert Francis X =
> NSSC
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, =
> 2004 5:33
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> To: =
> 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
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> class=3DEmailStyle16>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I’m on the
> Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot of =
> places but
> still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the slowest boats =
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> From: >gm =
> [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 28, =
> 2004 21:48
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> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF =
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> Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> From: Dan Boyd
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:30:37 -0400
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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> WildThing - New England
> Race: 108, Crusing: 120
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> Note new email address: Dan.Boyd@biogenidec.com
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> Dan Boyd
> Biogen Idec Inc
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> From: Albert Francis X NSSC
> To: "'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'"
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:51:13 -0400
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> I think overall (Kurt you're the class President so chime in here)
> considering the age of the boat, the materials currently being built into
> newer boats (like the new C&C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber including
> the entire mast, a different keel with most of the weight down low which
> allows them to stay on their feet even though they have a substantially
> lower ballast to displacement ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that is
> 31 inches longer and basically a completely different bottom shape) would
> make you want to take a hard look at adjusting the PHRF of the class. If
> you're racing anything other than one design you're struggling. The C&C 9.9
> has a PHRF of 102 which says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the Frers
> 33. It' honestly a lot faster than that (by observation). Or the Frers 33
> is not as fast as it used to be.
>
> My two cents worth.
>
> Frank Albert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allan Heyward [mailto:heyward@chllh.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:53
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
>
> A friend here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who raced
> on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly
> that they should be at least 120. He says he has the data to support it
> which he has offered should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base
> rating on the Chesapeake. I've been reluctant to pursue it since it would
> affect others and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere.
>
> Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
> 804-747-4500
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis X
> NSSC
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:33 AM
> To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
>
> I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot of
> places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the slowest
> boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119. At 120 we'd
> be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to 154.
>
> Frank Albert
> Relentless
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating
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> What's your PHRF rating & where are you located?
> >gm
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> From: Allan Heyward
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, =
> 2004 9:53
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> J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly that they should =
> be at
> least 120. He says he has the data to support it which he has =
> offered
> should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base rating on the
> Chesapeake. I’ve been reluctant to pursue it since it would =
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of Albert Francis X =
> NSSC
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, =
> 2004 5:33
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> To: =
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> class=3Demailstyle16>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’m
> on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot =
> of
> places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the =
> slowest
> boats in the PHRF “A2” class which runs from about 84 to =
> 119. At 120 we’d
> be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to =
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<P>You guys on the east coast must have it pretty sweet racing with your soft ratings. Here on Lake michigan we race at 108-and that was moved DOWn from a 11 a few years back. And we havetop race against J 105's olson 30's olson 34's Shoch 35's and express 34's, Beneteau 36.6 and a few Hunter 375's and an occasional Ben First 10 and hobie 33's. I'l be real interested in seeing what you end up with. </P>
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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>> Send frers-list mailing list submissions to <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit <BR>> http://lists.frers33.com/mailman/listinfo/frers-list <BR>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to <BR>> frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> You can reach the person managing the list at <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific <BR>> than "Re: Contents of frers-list digest..." <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Today's Topics: <BR>> <BR>> 1. RE: PHRF Rating (Albert Francis X NSSC) <BR>> 2. Re: PHRF Rating (JCBlack099@aol.com) <BR>> 3. RE: PHRF Rating (Allan Heyward) <BR>> 4. Re: PHRF Rating (Dan Boyd) <BR>> 5. RE: PHRF Rating (Albert Francis X NSSC) <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 1 <BR>> From: Albert Francis X NSSC <ALBERTFX@NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL><BR>> To: "'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'" <FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM><BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 06:32:32 -0400 <BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand <BR>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45DC4.08D0D636 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> <BR>> I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot of <BR>> places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the slowest <BR>> boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119. At 120 we'd <BR>> be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to 154. <BR>> <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> Relentless <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net] <BR>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> <BR>> What's your PHRF rating & where are you located? <BR>> >gm <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45DC4.08D0D636 <BR>> Content-Type: text/html; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = <BR>> xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = <BR>> xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>gm</SPAN></= <BR>> font><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45DC4.08D0D636-- <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 2 <BR>> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:48:30 -0400 <BR>> From: JCBlack099@aol.com <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> GYA 111, only 2 registered. One in New Orleans and Pelirrojas here on <BR>> Chaoctawhatchee Bay. <BR>> <BR>> Jerry <BR>> Pelirrojas <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 3 <BR>> From: "Allan Heyward" <HEYWARD@CHLLH.COM><BR>> To: <FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM><BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 09:52:34 -0400 <BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. <BR>> <BR>> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C45DBE.D0C494D0 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="us-ascii" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <BR>> <BR>> A friend here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who <BR>> raced on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes <BR>> strongly that they should be at least 120. He says he has the data to <BR>> support it which he has offered should we decide to ask for <BR>> reconsideration of the base rating on the Chesapeake. I've been <BR>> reluctant to pursue it since it would affect others and could backfire <BR>> given the lower base ratings elsewhere. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Allan M. Heyward, Jr. <BR>> <BR>> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C. <BR>> <BR>> 804-747-4500 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis <BR>> X NSSC <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:33 AM <BR>> To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot <BR>> of places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the <BR>> slowest boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119. <BR>> At 120 we'd be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to <BR>> 154. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> <BR>> Relentless <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net] <BR>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> What's your PHRF rating & where are you located? <BR>> <BR>> >gm <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C45DBE.D0C494D0 <BR>> Content-Type: text/html; <BR>> charset="us-ascii" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=#3d0a00 size=3><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A friend here on the = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:navy'>Chesapeake</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00 size=3 ="<BR">> face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> who races J-29s = <BR>> now <BR>> (PHRF 111) but who raced on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the = <BR>> great <BR>> lakes, believes strongly that they should be at least 120. He says = <BR>> he has <BR>> the data to support it which he has offered should we decide to ask for <BR>> reconsideration of the base rating on the </SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3 <BR>> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:navy'>Chesapeake</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00 size=3 ="<BR">> face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>. = <BR>> I’ve been <BR>> reluctant to pursue it since it would affect others and could backfire = <BR>> given <BR>> the lower base ratings elsewhere. </SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> face=3DTahoma><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original = <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Albert Francis X = <BR>> NSSC<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 29, = <BR>> 2004 5:33 <BR>> AM<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: = <BR>> [frers-list]PHRF <BR>> Rating</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> class=3DEmailStyle16><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>I’m on the <BR>> Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot of = <BR>> places but <BR>> still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the slowest boats = <BR>> in the <BR>> PHRF “A2” class which runs from about 84 to 119. At = <BR>> 120 <BR>> we’d be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to = <BR>> 154.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DTahoma><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> >gm = <BR>> [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 28, = <BR>> 2004 21:48<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> [frers-list]PHRF = <BR>> Rating</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>gm</SPAN></F= <BR>> ont></P><BR>> <BR>> </DIV><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C45DBE.D0C494D0-- <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 4 <BR>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> From: Dan Boyd <DAN_BOYD@BIOGEN.COM><BR>> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 08:30:37 -0400 <BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> WildThing - New England <BR>> Race: 108, Crusing: 120 <BR>> <BR>> Note new email address: Dan.Boyd@biogenidec.com <BR>> <BR>> Dan Boyd <BR>> Biogen Idec Inc <BR>> Tel: 1.617.679.2274 <BR>> Fax: 1.617.679.3599 <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ">gm" <BR>> <GARYMOORE@OPTONLINE.NE <BR To:>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> t> cc: <BR>> Sent by: Subject: [frers-list]PHRF <BR>> Rating <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists. <BR>> frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> 28-Jun-2004 09:48 PM <BR>> Please respond to <BR>> frers-list <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> What's your PHRF rating & where are you located? <BR>> >gm <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> --__--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 5 <BR>> From: Albert Francis X NSSC <ALBERTFX@NAVSEA.NAVY.MIL><BR>> To: "'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'" <FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM><BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:51:13 -0400 <BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> <BR>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand <BR>> this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45DF0.E7B3ABA4 <BR>> Content-Type: text/plain; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> <BR>> I think overall (Kurt you're the class President so chime in here) <BR>> considering the age of the boat, the materials currently being built into <BR>> newer boats (like the new C&C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber including <BR>> the entire mast, a different keel with most of the weight down low which <BR>> allows them to stay on their feet even though they have a substantially <BR>> lower ballast to displacement ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that is <BR>> 31 inches longer and basically a completely different bottom shape) would <BR>> make you want to take a hard look at adjusting the PHRF of the class. If <BR>> you're racing anything other than one design you're struggling. The C&C 9.9 <BR>> has a PHRF of 102 which says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the Frers <BR>> 33. It' honestly a lot faster than that (by observation). Or the Frers 33 <BR>> is not as fast as it used to be. <BR>> <BR>> My two cents worth. <BR>> <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: Allan Heyward [mailto:heyward@chllh.com] <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:53 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> <BR>> A friend here on the Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who raced <BR>> on and against (in J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly <BR>> that they should be at least 120. He says he has the data to support it <BR>> which he has offered should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base <BR>> rating on the Chesapeake. I've been reluctant to pursue it since it would <BR>> affect others and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere. <BR>> <BR>> Allan M. Heyward, Jr. <BR>> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C. <BR>> 804-747-4500 <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Albert Francis X <BR>> NSSC <BR>> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:33 AM <BR>> To: 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com' <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> <BR>> I'm on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot of <BR>> places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the slowest <BR>> boats in the PHRF "A2" class which runs from about 84 to 119. At 120 we'd <BR>> be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to 154. <BR>> <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> Relentless <BR>> <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: >gm [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net] <BR>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 21:48 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]PHRF Rating <BR>> <BR>> What's your PHRF rating & where are you located? <BR>> >gm <BR>> <BR>> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C45DF0.E7B3ABA4 <BR>> Content-Type: text/html; <BR>> charset="iso-8859-1" <BR>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = <BR>> xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = <BR>> xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I= <BR>> think <BR>> overall (Kurt you’re the class President so chime in here) = <BR>> considering the age <BR>> of the boat, the materials currently being built into newer boats (like = <BR>> the new <BR>> C&C 9.9 which has a lot of carbon fiber including the entire mast, = <BR>> a <BR>> different keel with most of the weight down low which allows them to = <BR>> stay on <BR>> their feet even though they have a substantially lower ballast to = <BR>> displacement <BR>> ratio than the Frers 33, a water line that is 31 inches longer and = <BR>> basically a <BR>> completely different bottom shape) would make you want to take a hard = <BR>> look at <BR>> adjusting the PHRF of the class.<SPAN ="<BR">> yes"> <BR>> </SPAN>If you’re racing anything other than one design = <BR>> you’re struggling.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The C&C 9.9 has a PHRF of = <BR>> 102 which <BR>> says it is 12 seconds a mile faster than the Frers 33.<SPAN <BR>> style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It’ honestly a lot = <BR>> faster than that (by <BR>> observation).<SPAN yes?> </SPAN>Or the = <BR>> Frers 33 is <BR>> not as fast as it used to be.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><= <BR>> ![if = <BR>> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>= <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>M= <BR>> y two <BR>> cents worth.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><= <BR>> ![if = <BR>> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>= <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>F= <BR>> rank <BR>> Albert <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'><= <BR>> ![if = <BR>> !supportEmptyParas]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>= <BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DTahoma><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> Allan Heyward <BR>> [mailto:heyward@chllh.com]<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 29, = <BR>> 2004 9:53<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: = <BR>> [frers-list]PHRF Rating</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>A friend here = <BR>> on the <BR>> Chesapeake who races J-29s now (PHRF 111) but who raced on and against = <BR>> (in <BR>> J-29s) Frers 33s on the great lakes, believes strongly that they should = <BR>> be at <BR>> least 120. He says he has the data to support it which he has = <BR>> offered <BR>> should we decide to ask for reconsideration of the base rating on the <BR>> Chesapeake. I’ve been reluctant to pursue it since it would = <BR>> affect others <BR>> and could backfire given the lower base ratings elsewhere. = <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></F= <BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M. <BR>> Heyward, Jr.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black; <BR>> mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, <BR>> HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500</SP= <BR>> an></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></F= <BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DTahoma><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com = <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <B><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Albert Francis X = <BR>> NSSC<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, June 29, = <BR>> 2004 5:33 <BR>> AM<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> 'frers-list@lists.frers33.com'<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: = <BR>> [frers-list]PHRF <BR>> Rating</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: <BR>> windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> class=3Demailstyle16><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’m <BR>> on the Chesapeake Bay and our PHRF here is 114. Higher than a lot = <BR>> of <BR>> places but still 120 would be better. At 114 we are one of the = <BR>> slowest <BR>> boats in the PHRF “A2” class which runs from about 84 to = <BR>> 119. At 120 we’d <BR>> be one of the faster boats and that class runs from 119 to = <BR>> 154.</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> class=3Demailstyle16><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Frank <BR>> Albert</SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black; <BR>> mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> class=3Demailstyle16><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Relentless <BR>> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN><FONT color=#3d0a00><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: <BR>> windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN ="<BR">> class=3Demailstyle16><FONT <BR>> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN>= <BR>> <FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DTahoma><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original <BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> >gm <BR>> [mailto:garymoore@optonline.net]<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Monday, June 28, = <BR>> 2004 21:48<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> = <BR>> [frers-list]PHRF Rating</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3Dblack><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3 ="<BR">> color=3Dblack <BR>> face=3DArial><SPAN ="<BR">> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>What's <BR>> your PHRF rating & where are you located?</SPAN></FONT><FONT ="<BR">> color=3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>= <BR>> </P><BR>> <BR>>
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