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From: "Allan Heyward" <heyward@chlhf.com>
To: <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:45:32 -0500
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My guess is, the former.
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Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:09 PM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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And as part of that same question, is that transverse member completely
horizontal from settee to settee, or do some angle downward toward the
mast butt? I saw one where it was sloped downward, whereas mine is
completely horizontal. Was that other displaying damage, or was that by
design?
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#55, built 1990.
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Art
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From: Albert, <mailto:francis.albert@navy.mil> Francis X CIV SEA 01=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if
anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what
year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been
built in the same year as mine.
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Thanks,
Frank Albert
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Albert, Francis
X CIV SEA 01
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Bob,
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My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water
getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there
was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would
suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these
discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel
like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out.
That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and
hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is
to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with
5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then
next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by
about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a
couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull
just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.
Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up
being the 5200.
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If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.
=20
Thanks,
Frank Albert
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Bob
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I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've
read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of
things to add, based on my experience:
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The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the
stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the
keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know
for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may
not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a
potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the
hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute
to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge:
the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull,
but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in
the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and
that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the
hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other
thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at
least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the
bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel
bolts.
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Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and
race.
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Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
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-----Original Message-----
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.
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1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats?
2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is
this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?
3) Any questionable electrical to look for?
4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull
design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.
=20
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I live in the Chicago area
Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look
for"
=20
Bob
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<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February =3D
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4:09 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: =3D
[frers-list]questions
on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
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that same =3D
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is that transverse member completely horizontal from settee to settee, =3D
or do
some angle downward toward the mast butt? I saw one where it was =3D
sloped
downward, whereas mine is completely horizontal. Was that other
displaying damage, or was that by design?</span></font></p>
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RE:
[frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
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big
question is where all these boats made the same and if anyone knows of a
different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what year was =3D
your boat
built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been built in the =3D
same year as
mine.</span></font></span></p>
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frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists=3D
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Behalf Of </span></b>Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February =3D
03, 2006
7:09<br>
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frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =3D
[frers-list]questions
on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
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My =3D
boat may have
that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water getting in to =3D
the bilge
area. This fall when they hauled the boat there was a crack right =3D
at the top
of the keel right at where you would suppose the keel to hull joint =3D
would be
(however, in one of these discussions someone mentioned the actual hull =3D
is
lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the =3D
bilge was
seeping out. That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my =3D
yard says the
keel and hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for =3D
this year is
to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =3D
5200,
fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work =3D
then next year they
will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by about 3 =3D
inches. Their
experience with this process has taught them a couple of things. =3D
First most
boats had the keels joined to the hull just this way with a ton of 5200 =3D
spread
over the entire top of the keel. Second, 5200 really does not want=20=
=3D
to let go.
They've had boats in the lift like this for four hours with the only =3D
thing
holding the keel up being the 5200.</span></font></span></p>
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ilStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.=
0pt'>Thanks,</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D class=3D3DEma=
ilStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.=
0pt'>Frank=20
Albert</span></font></span></p>
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ilStyle20><font =20
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0pt'> </span></font></span></p>
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ilStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.=
0pt'> =20
</span></font></span></p>
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ilStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.=
0pt'> </span></font></span></p>
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lor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;co=
lor:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:=
bold'>On=20
Behalf Of </span></b>Allan Heyward<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February=20=
=3D
02, 2006
12:03<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =3D
[frers-list]questions
on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blac=
k'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'>Bob</span></font>=3D
</p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'> </span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'>I=20
have a 1987 =3D
Frers 33
that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I’ve read =3D
Frank’s
response on your question 4 and only have a couple of things to add, =3D
based on
my experience:</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'> </span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'>The=20
construction =3D
of the
transverse stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the
leading edge of the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point =3D
of
transition into the hull. I don’t know for certain if this =3D
will be
true on all boats, as I understand some may not have wood in the =3D
stringers, but
where it exists, it creates a potential structural weak =3D
point. If
the leading edge of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a=20=
=3D
leak
that will not only contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but
provides a path to the bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing =3D
separation
between keel and hull, but a crack in the sump which, over time and load=20=
=3D
can
create a tear in the hull. This is one reason a fix from the =3D
inside is
desirable and that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the =3D
keel at
the hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. =20=
=3D
The
other thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on=20=
=3D
at
least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =3D
bolts and
nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =3D
bolts.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'> </span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'>Other=20
than that, =3D
the boat
is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and race.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D co=
lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'> </span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
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olor=3D3Dnavy =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:navy'>Allan=20
M.
Heyward, Jr.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoAutoSig style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dnavy =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:navy'>COOK,
HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.</span></font></p>
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olor=3D3Dnavy =20
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r:navy'>804-747-4500</spa=3D =20
n></font></p>
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lor=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:na=
vy'> </span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;co=
lor:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight=
:bold'>On=20
Behalf Of </span></b>Stephen, Robert<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, February=20=
=3D
01, 2006
7:02 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> =3D
[frers-list]questions on
a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:blac=
k'> </span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:black'>I=20
am
currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:black'> </span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in'=
><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>1)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dblack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'> &nbs=
p; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Can anyone upda=
te me=20
as to where any specific coring issues =3D
in
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =3D
boats?</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in'=
><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>2)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dblack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'> &nbs=
p; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>If I wanted to=20=
change=20
out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D
this
reasonable or does the installation look like a =3D
morphidite?</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in'=
><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>3)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dblack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'> &nbs=
p; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Any questionabl=
e=20
electrical to look for?</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25in'=
><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>4)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dblack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'> &nbs=
p; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Any concern on=20=
the=20
design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D
design
or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:black'> </span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:black'> </span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:black'>I=20
live
in the Chicago area</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D c=
olor=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;colo=
r:black'>Thanks
for any advice or information anyone can offer on “what to look
for”</span></font></p>
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olor=3D3Dblack =20
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r:black'> </span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
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olor=3D3Dblack =20
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p;
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:32:55 +0000
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Allen,
My yard had to drop the keel last year because of a grounding that looked li=
ke=20
it kicked the keel off to port by about 5 degrees. Additionally I had a crac=
k in=20
the hull just forward of where the leading edge of the keel joins the hull.=20=
They=20
put the hull up on jack stands and they said it normally takes about 5 hour=
s of=20
wailing on the top of the keel bolts with a sledge hammer to loosen it. In m=
y=20
case they took three wacks and it dropped right off. So much for 5200.=20
Frank Wittosch
Pepperke 2.0=20
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> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:08:37 -0500=20
> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
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> Bob,=20
> =3D20=20
> My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water=20=
=3D=20
> getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there=
=3D=20
> was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =3D=20
> suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =3D=20
> discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel=20=
=3D=20
> like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out.=20=
=3D=20
> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel an=
d =3D=20
> hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is=20=
=3D=20
> to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with=
=3D=20
> 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then=20=
=3D=20
> next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by=20=
=3D=20
> about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a=20=
=3D=20
> couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull=20=
=3D=20
> just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel=
. =3D=20
> Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the=20=
=3D=20
> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up=20=
=3D=20
> being the 5200.=20
> =3D20=20
> If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.=20
> =3D20=20
> Thanks,=20
> Frank Albert=20
> =3D20=20
> =3D20=20
> =3D20=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward=20
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> =3D20=20
> Bob=20
> =3D20=20
> I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've=
=3D=20
> read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =3D=20
> things to add, based on my experience:=20
> =3D20=20
> The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the=20=
=3D=20
> stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the=
=3D=20
> keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know=20=
=3D=20
> for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may=
=3D=20
> not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =3D=20
> potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the=
=3D=20
> hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute=
=3D=20
> to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge=
: =3D=20
> the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull,=
=3D=20
> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in=20=
=3D=20
> the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and=20=
=3D=20
> that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the=20=
=3D=20
> hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =3D=20
> thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at=20=
=3D=20
> least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the=20=
=3D=20
> bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel=20=
=3D=20
> bolts.=20
> =3D20=20
> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and=20=
=3D=20
> race.=20
> =3D20=20
> Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.=20
> 804-747-4500=20
> =3D20=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Rober=
t=20
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> =3D20=20
> I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.=20
> =3D20=20
> 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =3D=20
> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats=
?=20
> 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D=20
> this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?=20
> 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?=20
> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D=20
> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.=20
> =3D20=20
> =3D20=20
> I live in the Chicago area=20
> Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look=20=
=3D=20
> for"=20
> =3D20=20
> Bob=20
> =3D20=20
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> Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =3D=20
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original Message-----
> From:=20
> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D3D'font-weight:=
bold'>On=20
Behalf Of Allan Heyward
> Sent: Thursday, February =3D=20
> 02, 2006=20
> 12:03
> To: =3D=20
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: =3D=20
> [frers-list]questions=20
> on a purchase of a frers 33
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob> color=3D3Dblack>>=
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ls =3D=20
> and=20
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> response on your question=20
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=3D=20
> stringer=20
> leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading edge of th=
e =3D=20
> keel=20
> sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition into the=20=
=3D=20
> hull.=20
> I don't know for certain if this will be true on all boats, =3D=20
> as I=20
> understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists=
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> it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =3D=20
> edge=20
> of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that will=20=
=3D=20
> not only=20
> contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path t=
o =3D=20
> the=20
> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel an=
d =3D=20
> hull,=20
> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in=20=
=3D=20
> the=20
> hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D=20
> that you=20
> should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =20=
=3D=20
> The=20
> fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to =3D=20
> check=20
> is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat=20=
=3D=20
> (mine)=20
> there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that cause=
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M. Heyward, =3D=20
> Jr.> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:wi=
ndowtext'><=3D =20
> /p>=20
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &=20=
=3D=20
> FEEHAN,=20
> P.C.> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:=20
> windowtext'>
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-747-4500>=20
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> Message-----
> From:=20
> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D3D'font-weight=
:bold'>On=20
Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, February =3D=20
> 01, 2006=20
> 7:02 AM
> To: =3D=20
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: =3D=20
> [frers-list]questions on=20
> a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D3D'color:=20
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> currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.> color=3D3Dblack>&=
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> > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-=
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> color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring is=
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> > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tille=
r is=20
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> this=20
> reasonable or does the installation look like a =3D=20
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> /p>=20
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> > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-=
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> color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?>=20
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<=3D >=20
/p>=20
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> color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to=20=
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> color=3D3Dblack=20
> face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
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> Message: 2=20
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:14:30 -0500=20
> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
> To:=20
> Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
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> Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if =3D=20
> anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what=
=3D=20
> year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been=20=
=3D=20
> built in the same year as mine.=20
> =3D20=20
> Thanks,=20
> Frank Albert=20
> =3D20=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Albert, Francis=
=3D=20
> X CIV SEA 01=20
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> =3D20=20
> Bob,=20
> =3D20=20
> My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water=20=
=3D=20
> getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there=
=3D=20
> was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would =3D=20
> suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these =3D=20
> discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel=20=
=3D=20
> like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out.=20=
=3D=20
> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel an=
d =3D=20
> hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is=20=
=3D=20
> to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with=
=3D=20
> 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then=20=
=3D=20
> next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by=20=
=3D=20
> about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a=20=
=3D=20
> couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull=20=
=3D=20
> just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel=
. =3D=20
> Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the=20=
=3D=20
> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up=20=
=3D=20
> being the 5200.=20
> =3D20=20
> If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.=20
> =3D20=20
> Thanks,=20
> Frank Albert=20
> =3D20=20
> =3D20=20
> =3D20=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward=20
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> =3D20=20
> Bob=20
> =3D20=20
> I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've=
=3D=20
> read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =3D=20
> things to add, based on my experience:=20
> =3D20=20
> The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the=20=
=3D=20
> stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the=
=3D=20
> keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know=20=
=3D=20
> for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may=
=3D=20
> not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a =3D=20
> potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the=
=3D=20
> hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute=
=3D=20
> to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge=
: =3D=20
> the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull,=
=3D=20
> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in=20=
=3D=20
> the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and=20=
=3D=20
> that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the=20=
=3D=20
> hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =3D=20
> thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at=20=
=3D=20
> least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the=20=
=3D=20
> bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel=20=
=3D=20
> bolts.=20
> =3D20=20
> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and=20=
=3D=20
> race.=20
> =3D20=20
> Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.=20
> 804-747-4500=20
> =3D20=20
> -----Original Message-----=20
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Rober=
t=20
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
> =3D20=20
> I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.=20
> =3D20=20
> 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in =3D=20
> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats=
?=20
> 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D=20
> this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?=20
> 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?=20
> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D=20
> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.=20
> =3D20=20
> =3D20=20
> I live in the Chicago area=20
> Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look=20=
=3D=20
> for"=20
> =3D20=20
> Bob=20
> =3D20=20
>=20
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D3D'font-weight:=
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Behalf Of Albert, Francis X CIV =3D=20
> SEA 01
> Sent: Friday, February =3D=20
> 03, 2006=20
> 7:09
> To: =3D=20
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: =3D=20
> [frers-list]questions=20
> on a purchase of a frers 33
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> and water from the bilge was seeping out.> yes"> =20
> That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the =3D=20
> keel and=20
> hull joint are right at that crack.> yes"> =20
> Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =3D=20
> then=20
> grind out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =3D=20
> alcohol.> style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> They said if that =3D=20
> doesn't work=20
> then next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the kee=
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> by=20
> about 3 inches. Their =3D=20
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> with this process has taught them a couple of things.>=20
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> yes"> First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =3D=20
> just this=20
> way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.>=20
style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> Second, 5200 really does not =3D=20
> want to=20
> let go. They've had boats =3D=20
> in the=20
> lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up=20=
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> From: =3D=20
> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]> style=3D3D'font-weight:=
bold'>On=20
> Behalf Of Allan Heyward
> Sent: Thursday, February =3D=20
> 02, 2006=20
> 12:03
> To: =3D=20
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: RE: =3D=20
> [frers-list]questions=20
> on a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:wi=
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>=20
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sai=
ls =3D=20
> and=20
> races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've read Frank's =3D=20
> response on your question=20
> 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =3D=20
> experience:> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-colo=
r-alt:windowtext'><=3D =20
> /p>=20
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
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>=20
>=20
> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transve=
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> stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leading=20=
=3D=20
> edge of=20
> the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition=20=
=3D=20
> into the=20
> hull. I don't know for certain if this will be true on all =3D=20
> boats, as I=20
> understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists=
,=20
> it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =3D=20
> edge=20
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=3D=20
> not only=20
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> the=20
> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel an=
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> but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in=20=
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> the=20
> hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D=20
> that you=20
> should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =20=
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> The=20
> fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to =3D=20
> check=20
> is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat=20=
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> (mine)=20
> there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that cause=
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> style=3D3D'font-size:=20
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is st=
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> P.C.> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:=20
> windowtext'>
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> From:=20
> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D=20
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] > style=3D3D'font-weight=
:bold'>On=20
Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
> Sent: Wednesday, February =3D=20
> 01, 2006=20
> 7:02 AM
> To: =3D=20
> frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: =3D=20
> [frers-list]questions on=20
> a purchase of a frers 33> style=3D3D'color:=20
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> color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring is=
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> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =3D=20
> boats?> color=3D3Dblack>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt=
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> /p>=20
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> style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3D3Dblac=
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> > size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial>> style=3D3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
> color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tille=
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> this reasonable=20
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> style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'>> color=3D3Dblac=
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<DIV>Allen,</DIV>
<DIV>My yard had to drop the keel last year because of a grounding that look=
ed=20
like it kicked the keel off to port by about 5 degrees. Additionally I had a=
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crack in the hull just forward of where the leading edge of the keel joins t=
he=20
hull. They put the hull up on jack stands and they said it=20
normally takes about 5 hours of wailing on the top of the keel bolts wi=
th a=20
sledge hammer to loosen it. In my case they took three wacks and it dropped=20
right off. So much for 5200. </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Wittosch</DIV>
<DIV>Pepperke 2.0 </DIV>
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V SEA 01) <BR>> <BR>> -- __--__-- <BR>> <BR>> Message: 1 <BR>&=
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> Date=
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Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:08:37 -0500 <BR>> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=
=20
<FRANCIS.ALBERT@NAVY.MIL><BR>> To: <FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM><BR>>=
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> Bob, <BR>>=20=
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<BR>> My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer wate=
r =3D=20
<BR>> getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat t=
here=20
=3D <BR>> was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you wou=
ld =3D=20
<BR>> suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> discussions someone mentioned the actu
al hull is lower, down the keel =3D <BR>> like about 10 to 12 inches) an=
d=20
water from the bilge was seeping out. =3D <BR>> That lower hull thing see=
ms=20
pretty strange and my yard says the keel and =3D <BR>> hull joint are rig=
ht at=20
that crack. Their suggestion for this year is =3D <BR>> to snug up the ke=
el=20
bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =3D <BR>> 5200, fairi=
ng it=20
using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =3D <BR>> next year th=
ey=20
will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =3D <BR>> about 3=
=20
inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a =3D <BR>> co=
uple=20
of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =3D <BR>> ju=
st=20
this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =3D <BR>=
>=20
Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =3D <B=
R>>=20
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =3D <B=
R>>=20
being the 5200. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> If anyone has
had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>>=
;=20
Thanks, <BR>> Frank Albert <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> =3D20 <=
BR>>=20
-----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com=
=3D=20
<BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heywa=
rd=20
<BR>> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03 <BR>> To:=20
frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on=20=
a=20
purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> I=
have a=20
1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =3D <BR>>=20=
read=20
Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =3D <BR>> t=
hings=20
to add, based on my experience: <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> The construction of=20=
the=20
transverse stringer leaves a void below the =3D <BR>> stringer that exten=
ds to=20
the leading edge of the keel sump to which the =3D <BR>> keel is bolted a=
t the=20
point of transition into the hull. I don't know =3D <BR>> fo
r certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may =3D=20
<BR>> not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at=
the=20
=3D <BR>> hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only=20
contribute =3D <BR>> to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides=20=
a path=20
to the bilge: =3D <BR>> the reason is that you are not seeing separation=20
between keel and hull, =3D <BR>> but a crack in the sump which, over time=
and=20
load can create a tear in =3D <BR>> the hull. This is one reason a fix fr=
om the=20
inside is desirable and =3D <BR>> that you should look carefully at the l=
eading=20
edge of the keel at the =3D <BR>> hull. The fix is not as traumatic as th=
e=20
problem sounds. The other =3D <BR>> thing to check is the keel bolts for=20=
deep=20
crevice corrosion, as on at =3D <BR>> least one boat (mine) there was a=20
mismatch between stainless in the =3D <BR>> bolts and nuts tha
t caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =3D <BR>> bolts. <BR=
>>=20
=3D20 <BR>> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to=
sail=20
and =3D <BR>> race. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> Allan M. Heyward, Jr. <BR>>=
; COOK,=20
HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C. <BR>> 804-747-4500 <BR>> =3D20=
=20
<BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.fr=
ers33.com=20
=3D <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephe=
n,=20
Robert <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM <BR>> To:=20
frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]questions on a=20
purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> I am currently interested in=20
purchasing a frers 33. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> 1) Can anyone update me as to=
where=20
any specific coring issues in =3D <BR>> hull or the deck area that might=20=
be=20
consistent with most of these boats? <BR>> 2) If I wanted to change out t=
he=20
wheel steering to a tiller is =3D <BR>> this reasonabl
e or does the installation look like a morphidite? <BR>> 3) Any question=
able=20
electrical to look for? <BR>> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates=20=
to=20
the keel to hull =3D <BR>> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grou=
nding.=20
<BR>> =3D20 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> I live in the Chicago area <BR>> T=
hanks=20
for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =3D <BR>>=
for"=20
<BR>> =3D20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> <BR>> _______________=
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Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>> frers-list-admin=
@lists.frers33.com=20
=3D <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<B><SPAN <BR>>=20
style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Allan Heyward<BR><BR=
>>=20
<B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, February =3D <BR>> 02, 2006 <BR>>=20
12:03<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>> frers-list@lists.frer=
s33.com<BR><BR>>=20
<B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: =3D <BR>> [frers-list]questions <BR>>=
on a=20
purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>=20
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aras]> <![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>>=20
<BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:=
navy'>Bob</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">&=
gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windo=
wtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> and <BR>> races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've read Frank's=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> response on your question <BR>> 4 and only have a couple of thin=
gs=20
to add, based on my =3D <BR>> experience:</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>>=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:=
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">&=
gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windo=
wtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The construction of the transverse=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> stringer <BR>> leaves a void below the stringer that extends to=20=
the=20
leading edge of the =3D <BR>> keel <BR>> sump to which the keel is bol=
ted at=20
the point of transition into the =3D <BR>> hull. <BR>> I don't k=
now=20
for certain if this will be true on all boats, =3D <BR>> as I <BR>>=20
understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists,=20
<BR>> it creates a potential structural weak point. If the=20
leading =3D <BR>> edge <BR>> of the keel at the hull shows separation=20=
you=20
will get a leak that will =3D <BR>> not only <BR>> contribute to=20
deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to =3D <BR>> the=20
<BR>> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between kee=
l=20
and =3D <BR>> hull, <BR>> but a crack in the sump which, over time=20=
and=20
load can create a tear in =3D <BR>> the <BR>> hull. This is one=20=
reason=20
a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D <BR>> that you <BR>> should=
look=20
carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull. =3D <BR>> Th=
e=20
<BR>> fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thin=
g to=20
=3D <BR>> check <BR>> is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as=
on at=20
least one boat =3D <BR>> (mine) <BR>> there was a mismatch between sta=
inless=20
in the bolts and nuts that caused <BR>> substantial erosion of several of=
the=20
keel bolts.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">&g=
t;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">&=
gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windo=
wtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other than that, the boat is strong=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> as an <BR>> ox and a delight to sail and race.</SPAN></FONT><FON=
T=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">&=
gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windo=
wtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan M. Heyward, =3D <BR>>=20
Jr.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DA=
rial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> FEEHAN, <BR>> P.C.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: <BR>> windowtext'>=
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>>=20
<BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:=
navy'>804-747-4500</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DAr=
ial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">&=
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color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windo=
wtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>> face=3D3DTahoma><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=
;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original=
=20
<BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>>=20
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com]=20
<B><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>St=
ephen,=20
Robert<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February =3D <BR>>=
; 01,=20
2006 <BR>> 7:02 AM<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>>=20
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> =3D <B=
R>>=20
[frers-list]questions on <BR>> a purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT><FON=
T=20
color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color: <BR>> black;mso-col=
or-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>>=20
<BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dbla=
ck <BR>>=20
face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:12.0p=
t;color:black'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
<BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>> face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=
=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I am <BR>>=20
currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">&=
gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windo=
wtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>> face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=
=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN><=
/F=3D=20
<BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3D3 <BR>>=20
color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>1)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPA=
N=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> &nb=
sp; =20
=3D <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific corin=
g=20
issues =3D <BR>> in <BR>> hull or the deck area that might be consiste=
nt=20
with most of these =3D <BR>> boats?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>>=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:=
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3D3 <BR>>=20
color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>2)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPA=
N=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> &nb=
sp; =20
=3D <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a=20
tiller is =3D <BR>> this <BR>> reasonable or does the installation loo=
k like=20
a =3D <BR>> morphidite?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><S=
PAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p=
></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3D3 <BR>>=20
color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>3)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPA=
N=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> &nb=
sp; =20
=3D <BR>> </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look=20
for?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'><FONT size=3D3 <BR>>=20
color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>4)</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPA=
N=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 7.0pt;color:black'> &nb=
sp; =20
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face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;=20
<BR>> color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel=
to=20
hull =3D <BR>> design <BR>> or attachment. Separate from a bad=20
grounding.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>>=
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style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
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<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
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style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN><=
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style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
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<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>> face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=
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<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
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style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>I live <BR>>=
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the Chicago area</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black; <BR>> mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></S=
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ck <BR>>=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'>Thanks=20
<BR>> for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> for"</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">=
>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
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/F=3D=20
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style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>> <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
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style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Bob</SPAN></FO=
NT=3D=20
<BR>> ><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
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RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> Date: Fri, 3=20=
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2006 15:14:30 -0500 <BR>> From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>> <BR>> Alright big=20
question is where all these boats made the same and if =3D <BR>> anyone k=
nows=20
of a different version. Allen y our boat was number 14 what =3D <BR>> y=
ear=20
was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been =3D <BR>>=
built=20
in the same year as mine. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Frank Alb=
ert=20
<BR>> =3D20 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From:=20
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com]On=20
Behalf Of Albert, Francis =3D <BR>> X CIV SEA 01 <BR>> Sent: Friday,=20
February 03, 2006 7:09 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>>=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =3D2=
0=20
<BR>> Bob, <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> My boat may have that new crack proble=
m. I=20
noticed last summer water =3D <BR>> getting in to the bilge area. This fa=
ll=20
when they hauled the boat there =3D <BR>> was a crack right at the top of=
the=20
keel right at where you would =3D <BR>> suppose the keel to hull joint wo=
uld be=20
(however, in one of these =3D <BR>> discussions someone mentioned the act=
ual=20
hull is lower , down the keel =3D <BR>> like about 10 to 12 inches) and=
water=20
from the bilge was seeping out. =3D <BR>> That lower hull thing seems pre=
tty=20
strange and my yard says the keel and =3D <BR>> hull joint are right at t=
hat=20
crack. Their suggestion for this year is =3D <BR>> to snug up the keel bo=
lts=20
and then grind out the crack and fill it with =3D <BR>> 5200, fairing it=20=
using=20
alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =3D <BR>> next year they wil=
l=20
remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =3D <BR>> about 3 inch=
es.=20
Their experience with this process has taught them a =3D <BR>> couple of=20
things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =3D <BR>> just=20=
this=20
way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =3D <BR>>=20
Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =3D <B=
R>>=20
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =3D <B=
R>>=20
being the 5200. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> If anyone has had a similar e xper=
ience=20
I'd like to hear about it. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> Thanks, <BR>> Frank Al=
bert=20
<BR>> =3D20 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> -----Original Message-=
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<BR>> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D <BR>>=20
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On Behalf Of Allan Heyward <BR>&g=
t;=20
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03 <BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com=20
<BR>> Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>=
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=3D20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails=
and=20
races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =3D <BR>> read Frank's response on your=
=20
question 4 and only have a couple of =3D <BR>> things to add, based on my=
=20
experience: <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> The construction of the transverse strin=
ger=20
leaves a void below the =3D <BR>> stringer that extends to the leading ed=
ge of=20
the keel sump to which the =3D <BR>> keel is bolted at the point of trans=
ition=20
into the hull. I don't know =3D <BR>> for certain if thi s will be true=
on=20
all boats, as I understand some may =3D <BR>> not have wood in the string=
ers,=20
but where it exists, it creates a =3D <BR>> potential structural weak poi=
nt. If=20
the leading edge of the keel at the =3D <BR>> hull shows separation you w=
ill=20
get a leak that will not only contribute =3D <BR>> to deterioration of th=
e wood=20
stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: =3D <BR>> the reason is that=20=
you=20
are not seeing separation between keel and hull, =3D <BR>> but a crack in=
the=20
sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =3D <BR>> the hull. T=
his is=20
one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D <BR>> that you shou=
ld=20
look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the =3D <BR>> hull. The=
fix=20
is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =3D <BR>> thing to c=
heck=20
is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at =3D <BR>> least on=
e boat=20
(mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =3D <BR>> bolts and=20=
nuts=20
that caused substan tial erosion of several of the keel =3D <BR>> bolts=
.=20
<BR>> =3D20 <BR>> Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a d=
elight=20
to sail and =3D <BR>> race. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=
=20
<BR>> COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C. <BR>> 804-747-4500=
=20
<BR>> =3D20 <BR>> -----Original Message----- <BR>> From:=20
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com]=20
On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert <BR>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:0=
2 AM=20
<BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <BR>> Subject: [frers-list]ques=
tions=20
on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> I am currently intereste=
d in=20
purchasing a frers 33. <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> 1) Can anyone update me as to=
where=20
any specific coring issues in =3D <BR>> hull or the deck area that might=20=
be=20
consistent with most of these boats? <BR>> 2) If I wanted to change out t=
he=20
wheel steering to a tiller is =3D <BR>> this reasonable or does the in =20
stallation look like a morphidite? <BR>> 3) Any questionable electrical t=
o=20
look for? <BR>> 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to=
=20
hull =3D <BR>> design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding. <BR>&=
gt;=20
=3D20 <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> I live in the Chicago area <BR>> Thanks for=
any=20
advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =3D <BR>> for" <B=
R>>=20
=3D20 <BR>> Bob <BR>> =3D20 <BR>> <BR>> ________________________=
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=3D <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<B><SPAN <BR>>=20
style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Albert, Francis X CI=
V =3D=20
<BR>> SEA 01<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Friday, February =3D=20
<BR>> 03, 2006 <BR>> 7:09<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>=
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frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:=20=
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<BR>> boat <BR>> may have that new crack problem.<SPAN yes?> =20=
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when=20
they hauled the =3D <BR>> boat <BR>> there was a crack right at the to=
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the keel right at where you would =3D <BR>> suppose <BR>> the keel to=20=
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joint would be (however, in one of these discussions =3D <BR>> someone <B=
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yes"> <BR>> </SPAN>That lower hull thing seems pretty strange an=
d my=20
yard says the =3D <BR>> keel and <BR>> hull joint are right at that=20
crack.<SPAN =3D" <BR">> yes"> <BR>> </SPAN>Their suggestion=
for=20
this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =3D <BR>> then <BR>> grind=20=
out=20
the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =3D <BR>> alcohol.<SPAN=
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<BR>> doesn't work <BR>> then next year they will remove the bolts and=
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rers33.com]<B><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On <BR>> Behalf Of </SPAN><=
/B>Allan=20
Heyward<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, February =3D <BR>>=
; 02,=20
2006 <BR>> 12:03<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>>=20
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE:=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> [frers-list]questions <BR>> on a purchase of a frers=20
33</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;=
mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
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style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Bob</=
SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
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=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
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<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
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style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I hav=
e a=20
1987 Frers 33 that sails =3D <BR>> and <BR>> races on the Chesapeake=20
Bay. I've read Frank's =3D <BR>> response on your question <BR>>=
4 and=20
only have a couple of things to add, based on my =3D <BR>> experience:</S=
PAN></FONT><FONT=20
<BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
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style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The=20
construction of the transverse <BR>> stringer leaves a void below the=20
stringer that extends to the leading =3D <BR>> edge of <BR>> the keel=20=
sump=20
to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition =3D <BR>> into the=
=20
<BR>> hull. I don't know for certain if this will be true on all=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> boats, as I <BR>> understand some may not have wood in the=20
stringers, but where it exists, <BR>> it creates a potential struct=
ural=20
weak point. If the leading =3D <BR>> edge <BR>> of the keel at t=
he=20
hull shows separation you will get a leak that will =3D <BR>> not only <B=
R>>=20
contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> the <BR>> bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separatio=
n=20
between keel and =3D <BR>> hull, <BR>> but a crack in the sump which
, over time and load can create a tear in =3D <BR>> the <BR>> hull.&n=
bsp;=20
This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D <BR>> that=20=
you=20
<BR>> should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the=20
hull. =3D <BR>> The <BR>> fix is not as traumatic as the problem=
=20
sounds. The other thing to =3D <BR>> check <BR>> is the keel bol=
ts for=20
deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat =3D <BR>> (mine) <BR>>=
there=20
was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused <BR>>=20
substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>>=
;=20
color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:=
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Other=
than=20
that, the boat is strong =3D <BR>> as an <BR>> ox and a delight to sai=
l and=20
race.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
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=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Allan=
M.=20
Heyward, =3D <BR>> Jr.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SP=
AN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p=
></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>COOK,=
=20
HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & =3D <BR>> FEEHAN, <BR>> P.C.</SPAN></FONT><=
FONT=20
color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: <B=
R>>=20
windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>804-7=
47-4500</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
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=3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> =
;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
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face=3D3DTahoma><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Tahoma;color:black'>-----Original=20
<BR>> Message-----<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>>=20
frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com =3D <BR>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com]=20
<B><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>St=
ephen,=20
Robert<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, February =3D <BR>>=
; 01,=20
2006 <BR>> 7:02 AM<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>>=20
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>> <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> =3D <B=
R>>=20
[frers-list]questions on <BR>> a purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT><FON=
T=20
color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color: <BR>> black;mso-col=
or-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>>=20
<BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
=20
face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:12.0p=
t;color:black'> </SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
<BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'>I=20
am <BR>> currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</SPAN></FONT><FON=
T=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN></F=3D=20
<BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-inden=
t:-.25in'><FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>> color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>1)</=
SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
7.0pt;color:black'> =3D <BR>>=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><S=
PAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>>=20
color:black'>Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> in <BR>> hull or the deck area that might be consistent with mos=
t of=20
these =3D <BR>> boats?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SP=
AN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p=
></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-inden=
t:-.25in'><FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>> color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>2)</=
SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
7.0pt;color:black'> =3D <BR>>=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><S=
PAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>>=20
color:black'>If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> this reasonable <BR>> or does the installation look like a=20
morphidite?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">&g=
t;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-inden=
t:-.25in'><FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>> color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>3)</=
SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
7.0pt;color:black'> =3D <BR>>=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><S=
PAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>>=20
color:black'>Any questionable electrical to look for?</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
<BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-inden=
t:-.25in'><FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>> color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>> color:black'>4)</=
SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>>=20
7.0pt;color:black'> =3D <BR>>=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><S=
PAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>>=20
color:black'>Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> design <BR>> or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.</SPAN=
></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN <BR>> style=3D3D'color:black;mso-c=
olor-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN></F=3D=20
<BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
=20
face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN></F=3D=20
<BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
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face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'>I=20
live <BR>> in the Chicago area</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'color:black; <BR>> mso-color-alt:windowtext'>=
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>>=20
<BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
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face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'>Thanks=20
<BR>> for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look=20=
=3D=20
<BR>> for"</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">=
>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
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face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'> </SPAN></F=3D=20
<BR>> ont><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<BR">> color=3D3Dblack <BR>>=
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face=3D3DArial><SPAN =3D"<BR">> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:Arial;color:black'>Bob</SPAN></FONT=3D=20
<BR>> ><FONT <BR>> color=3D3Dblack><SPAN =3D"<BR">>=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
><=3D=20
<BR>> /p> <BR>> <BR>>=20
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<BR>> p; <BR>>=20
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From: "Allan Heyward" <<A href=3D"mailto:heyward%40chlhf.com">heyward@chl=
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:45:32 -0500
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My guess is, the former.
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Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
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-----Original Message-----
From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-adm=
in@lists.frers33.com</A>
[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-a=
dmin@lists.frers33.com</A>] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 4:09 PM
To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com</A>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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And as part of that same question, is that transverse member completely
horizontal from settee to settee, or do some angle downward toward the
mast butt? I saw one where it was sloped downward, whereas mine is
completely horizontal. Was that other displaying damage, or was that by
design?
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#55, built 1990.
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Art
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From: Albert, <<A href=3D"mailto:francis.albert%40navy.mil">mailto:franci=
s.albert@navy.mil</A>> Francis X CIV SEA 01=20
To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com</A>=20
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if
anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14 what
year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been
built in the same year as mine.
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Thanks,
Frank Albert
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From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-adm=
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[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5dOn">mailto:frers-l=
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X CIV SEA 01
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09
To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com</A>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Bob,
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My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer water
getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat there
was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would
suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these
discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel
like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping out.
That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the keel and
hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year is
to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with
5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then
next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by
about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a
couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull
just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.
Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up
being the 5200.
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If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.
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Thanks,
Frank Albert
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From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-adm=
in@lists.frers33.com</A>
[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5dOn">mailto:frers-l=
ist-admin@lists.frers33.com]On</A> Behalf Of Allan Heyward
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03
To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com</A>
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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Bob
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I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've
read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of
things to add, based on my experience:
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The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the
stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which the
keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't know
for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may
not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a
potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at the
hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contribute
to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the bilge:
the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and hull,
but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear in
the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and
that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the
hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other
thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at
least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the
bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel
bolts.
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Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and
race.
=20
Allan M. Heyward, Jr.
COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.
804-747-4500
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From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-adm=
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[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-a=
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Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM
To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com</A>
Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33
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I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.
=20
1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these boats?
2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is
this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?
3) Any questionable electrical to look for?
4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull
design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.
=20
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I live in the Chicago area
Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look
for"
=20
Bob
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nt-size:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle21><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3D"#993366" face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt'>Frank=20
Albert</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle21><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3D"#993366" face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'fo=
nt-size:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p&g=
t;
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tah=
oma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b&g=
t; <a href=3D3D"<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5=
cx22%3efrers-list-admin%40lists%3d">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co=
m">frers-list-admin@lists=3D</A>
.frers33.com</a>
[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5d%3cb%3e%3cspan">ma=
ilto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<b><span</A> =3D style=3D3=
D'font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b&g=
t; Friday, February =3D
03, 2006
7:09<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>=
=3D
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A><br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></=
b> RE: =3D
[frers-list]questions
on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
3 =3D face=3D3D"Times=20
New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span&=
gt;</font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>Bob,</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10=
.0pt'>My =3D
boat may have
that new crack problem.&nbsp; I noticed last summer water getting in to=20=
=3D
the bilge
area.&nbsp; This fall when they hauled the boat there was a crack right=20=
=3D
at the top
of the keel right at where you would suppose the keel to hull joint =3D
would be
(however, in one of these discussions someone mentioned the actual hull =3D
is
lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the =3D
bilge was
seeping out.&nbsp; That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my=20=
=3D
yard says the
keel and hull joint are right at that crack.&nbsp; Their suggestion for=20=
=3D
this year is
to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =3D
5200,
fairing it using alcohol.&nbsp;&nbsp; They said if that doesn't work=
=3D
then next year they
will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by about 3 =3D
inches.&nbsp; Their
experience with this process has taught them a couple of things.&nbsp;=20=
=3D
First most
boats had the keels joined to the hull just this way with a ton of 5200 =3D
spread
over the entire top of the keel.&nbsp; Second, 5200 really does not want=
=3D
to let go.&nbsp;
They've had boats in the lift like this for four hours with the only =3D
thing
holding the keel up being the 5200.</span></font></span>&l=
t;/p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10=
.0pt'>If =3D
anyone has had a
similar experience I'd like to hear about it.</span></font></=
span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>Thanks,</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>Frank=20
Albert</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =3D clas=
s=3D3DEmailStyle20><font =20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></span></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tah=
oma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b&g=
t;
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> =3D
[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5d%3cb%3e%3cspan">ma=
ilto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<b><span</A> style=3D3D'fo=
nt-weight:bold'>On=20
Behalf Of </span></b>Allan Heyward<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b&g=
t; Thursday, February =3D
02, 2006
12:03<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>=
=3D
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A><br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></=
b> RE: =3D
[frers-list]questions
on a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
3 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;colo=
r:black'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>Bob</span></font>=3D
</p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>I=20
have a 1987 =3D
Frers 33
that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve read=20=
=3D
Frank&#8217;s
response on your question 4 and only have a couple of things to add, =3D
based on
my experience:</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>The=20
construction =3D
of the
transverse stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the
leading edge of the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point =3D
of
transition into the hull. &nbsp;I don&#8217;t know for certain if th=
is =3D
will be
true on all boats, as I understand some may not have wood in the =3D
stringers, but
where it exists, &nbsp;it creates a potential structural weak =3D
point.&nbsp; If
the leading edge of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a=20=
=3D
leak
that will not only contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but
provides a path to the bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing =3D
separation
between keel and hull, but a crack in the sump which, over time and load=20=
=3D
can
create a tear in the hull.&nbsp; This is one reason a fix from the =3D
inside is
desirable and that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the =3D
keel at
the hull.&nbsp; The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds.&n=
bsp; =3D
The
other thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on=20=
=3D
at
least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =3D
bolts and
nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =3D
bolts.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>Other=20
than that, =3D
the boat
is strong as an ox and a delight to sail and race.</span></font>=
</p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoAutoSig style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3=
D3 =3D color=3D3Dnavy =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:navy'>Allan=20
M.
Heyward, Jr.</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoAutoSig style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:navy'>COOK,
HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &amp; FEEHAN, P.C.</span></font></p&=
gt;
<p class=3D3DMsoAutoSig style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:navy'>804-747-4500</spa=3D =20
n></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D=
2 =3D color=3D3Dnavy=20
face=3D3DArial><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;co=
lor:navy'>&nbsp;</span></fo=3D =20
nt></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DTahoma><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tah=
oma;color:black'>-----Original
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b&g=
t;
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> =3D
[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-a=
dmin@lists.frers33.com</A>] <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'&=
gt;On=20
Behalf Of </span></b>Stephen, Robert<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b&g=
t; Wednesday, February =3D
01, 2006
7:02 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>=
=3D
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A><br>
<b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></=
b> =3D
[frers-list]questions on
a purchase of a frers 33</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D3 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;colo=
r:black'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>I=20
am
currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</span></font><=
/p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25=
in'><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>1)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dbl=
ack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
amp;nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DAria=
l><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Can anyone u=
pdate me=20
as to where any specific coring issues =3D
in
hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these =3D
boats?</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25=
in'><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>2)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dbl=
ack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
amp;nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DAria=
l><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>If I wanted=20=
to change=20
out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D
this
reasonable or does the installation look like a =3D
morphidite?</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25=
in'><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>3)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dbl=
ack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
amp;nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DAria=
l><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Any question=
able=20
electrical to look for?</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:1.5in;text-indent:-.25=
in'><font=20
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; =20
color:black'>4)</span></font><font size=3D3D1 color=3D3Dbl=
ack><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size: 7.0pt;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
amp;nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D
</span></font><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DAria=
l><span =3D =20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; color:black'>Any concern=20=
on the=20
design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D
design
or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.</span></font></=
p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>I=20
live
in the Chicago area</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>Thanks
for any advice or information anyone can offer on &#8220;what to look
for&#8221;</span></font></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>&nbsp;</span></f=3D =20
ont></p>
<p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3D3=
D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>Bob</span></font=3D =20
></p>
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D2 =3D color=3D3Dblack =20
face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Aria=
l;color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=3D
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
;nbsp;
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Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:32:55 +0000
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Allen,
My yard had to drop the keel last year because of a grounding that looked li=
ke=20
it kicked the keel off to port by about 5 degrees. Additionally I had a crac=
k in=20
the hull just forward of where the leading edge of the keel joins the hull.=20=
They=20
put the hull up on jack stands and they said it normally takes about 5 hour=
s of=20
wailing on the top of the keel bolts with a sledge hammer to loosen it. In m=
y=20
case they took three wacks and it dropped right off. So much for 5200.=20
Frank Wittosch
Pepperke 2.0=20
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&gt; 1. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert, Francis X CIV=
SEA 01)=20
&gt; 2. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert, Francis X CIV=
SEA 01)=20
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&gt; Message: 1=20
&gt; Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
&gt; Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:08:37 -0500=20
&gt; From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
&gt; To:=20
&gt; Reply-To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-l=
ist@lists.frers33.com</A>=20
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&gt; Bob,=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer wate=
r =3D=20
&gt; getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat t=
here =3D=20
&gt; was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would=20=
=3D=20
&gt; suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these=20=
=3D=20
&gt; discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the ke=
el =3D=20
&gt; like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping ou=
t. =3D=20
&gt; That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the kee=
l and =3D=20
&gt; hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year=20=
is =3D=20
&gt; to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it=20=
with =3D=20
&gt; 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then=
=3D=20
&gt; next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel=
by =3D=20
&gt; about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them=20=
a =3D=20
&gt; couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull=
=3D=20
&gt; just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the=20=
keel. =3D=20
&gt; Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in t=
he =3D=20
&gt; lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel=20=
up =3D=20
&gt; being the 5200.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Thanks,=20
&gt; Frank Albert=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; -----Original Message-----=20
&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers=
-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5dOn">mailt=
o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On</A> Behalf Of Allan Heyward=20
&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03=20
&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com</A>=20
&gt; Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Bob=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay.=20=
I've =3D=20
&gt; read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of=20=
=3D=20
&gt; things to add, based on my experience:=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the=
=3D=20
&gt; stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which=
the =3D=20
&gt; keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't kn=
ow =3D=20
&gt; for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some=
may =3D=20
&gt; not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a=20=
=3D=20
&gt; potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at=
the =3D=20
&gt; hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contri=
bute =3D=20
&gt; to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the b=
ilge: =3D=20
&gt; the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and h=
ull, =3D=20
&gt; but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear=
in =3D=20
&gt; the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and=
=3D=20
&gt; that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at t=
he =3D=20
&gt; hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other=20=
=3D=20
&gt; thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on=20=
at =3D=20
&gt; least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the=
=3D=20
&gt; bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the ke=
el =3D=20
&gt; bolts.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail=20=
and =3D=20
&gt; race.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
&gt; COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.=20
&gt; 804-747-4500=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; -----Original Message-----=20
&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers=
-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">mailto:fre=
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&gt; Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM=20
&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@li=
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&gt; Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in=20=
=3D=20
&gt; hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these b=
oats?=20
&gt; 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D=20
&gt; this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?=20
&gt; 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?=20
&gt; 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D=20
&gt; design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; I live in the Chicago area=20
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&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'&gt;-----Original Message=
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&gt; From:=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-=
admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5d%26gt">ma=
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Behalf Of Allan Heyward
&gt; Sent: Thursday, February =3D=20
&gt; 02, 2006=20
&gt; 12:03
&gt; To: =3D=20
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&gt; Subject: RE: =3D=20
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&gt; Message-----
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admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
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Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, February =3D=20
&gt; 01, 2006=20
&gt; 7:02 AM
&gt; To: =3D=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.=
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&gt; Subject: =3D=20
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&gt; a purchase of a frers 33&gt; style=3D3D'color:=20
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&gt; Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
&gt; Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:14:30 -0500=20
&gt; From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
&gt; To:=20
&gt; Reply-To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-l=
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&gt; Alright big question is where all these boats made the same and if=20=
=3D=20
&gt; anyone knows of a different version. Allen your boat was number 14=20=
what =3D=20
&gt; year was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have bee=
n =3D=20
&gt; built in the same year as mine.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Thanks,=20
&gt; Frank Albert=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; -----Original Message-----=20
&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers=
-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5dOn">mailt=
o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On</A> Behalf Of Albert, Francis =3D=20
&gt; X CIV SEA 01=20
&gt; Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:09=20
&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com</A>=20
&gt; Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Bob,=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last summer wate=
r =3D=20
&gt; getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled the boat t=
here =3D=20
&gt; was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you would=20=
=3D=20
&gt; suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these=20=
=3D=20
&gt; discussions someone mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the ke=
el =3D=20
&gt; like about 10 to 12 inches) and water from the bilge was seeping ou=
t. =3D=20
&gt; That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the kee=
l and =3D=20
&gt; hull joint are right at that crack. Their suggestion for this year=20=
is =3D=20
&gt; to snug up the keel bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it=20=
with =3D=20
&gt; 5200, fairing it using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then=
=3D=20
&gt; next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel=
by =3D=20
&gt; about 3 inches. Their experience with this process has taught them=20=
a =3D=20
&gt; couple of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull=
=3D=20
&gt; just this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the=20=
keel. =3D=20
&gt; Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in t=
he =3D=20
&gt; lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel=20=
up =3D=20
&gt; being the 5200.=20
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&gt; If anyone has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it.=20
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&gt; Thanks,=20
&gt; Frank Albert=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; -----Original Message-----=20
&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers=
-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5dOn">mailt=
o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On</A> Behalf Of Allan Heyward=20
&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03=20
&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com</A>=20
&gt; Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Bob=20
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&gt; I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay.=20=
I've =3D=20
&gt; read Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of=20=
=3D=20
&gt; things to add, based on my experience:=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; The construction of the transverse stringer leaves a void below the=
=3D=20
&gt; stringer that extends to the leading edge of the keel sump to which=
the =3D=20
&gt; keel is bolted at the point of transition into the hull. I don't kn=
ow =3D=20
&gt; for certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some=
may =3D=20
&gt; not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it creates a=20=
=3D=20
&gt; potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of the keel at=
the =3D=20
&gt; hull shows separation you will get a leak that will not only contri=
bute =3D=20
&gt; to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to the b=
ilge: =3D=20
&gt; the reason is that you are not seeing separation between keel and h=
ull, =3D=20
&gt; but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear=
in =3D=20
&gt; the hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and=
=3D=20
&gt; that you should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at t=
he =3D=20
&gt; hull. The fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other=20=
=3D=20
&gt; thing to check is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on=20=
at =3D=20
&gt; least one boat (mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the=
=3D=20
&gt; bolts and nuts that caused substantial erosion of several of the ke=
el =3D=20
&gt; bolts.=20
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&gt; Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a delight to sail=20=
and =3D=20
&gt; race.=20
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&gt; Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
&gt; COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER & FEEHAN, P.C.=20
&gt; 804-747-4500=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; -----Original Message-----=20
&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers=
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&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">mailto:fre=
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&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@li=
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&gt; Subject: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; I am currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; 1) Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring issues in=20=
=3D=20
&gt; hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these b=
oats?=20
&gt; 2) If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller is =3D=20
&gt; this reasonable or does the installation look like a morphidite?=20
&gt; 3) Any questionable electrical to look for?=20
&gt; 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to hull =3D=20
&gt; design or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; I live in the Chicago area=20
&gt; Thanks for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to l=
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&gt; =3D20=20
&gt; Bob=20
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&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'&gt;-----Original Message=
-----
&gt; From:=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-=
admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5d%26gt">ma=
ilto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]&gt</A>; style=3D3D'font-weight:=
bold'&gt;On=20
Behalf Of Albert, Francis X CIV =3D=20
&gt; SEA 01
&gt; Sent: Friday, February =3D=20
&gt; 03, 2006=20
&gt; 7:09
&gt; To: =3D=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.=
frers33.com</A>
&gt; Subject: RE: =3D=20
&gt; [frers-list]questions=20
&gt; on a purchase of a frers 33
&gt;=20
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&gt; boat=20
&gt; may have that new crack problem. =3D=20
&gt; I=20
&gt; noticed last summer water getting in to the bilge area.&gt;=20
style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; This fall when they hauled the =3D=20
&gt; boat=20
&gt; there was a crack right at the top of the keel right at where you w=
ould =3D=20
&gt; suppose=20
&gt; the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one of these discussio=
ns =3D=20
&gt; someone=20
&gt; mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to=20=
12 =3D=20
&gt; inches)=20
&gt; and water from the bilge was seeping out.&gt; yes"&gt; =20
&gt; That lower hull thing seems pretty strange and my yard says the=20=
=3D=20
&gt; keel and=20
&gt; hull joint are right at that crack.&gt; yes"&gt; =20
&gt; Their suggestion for this year is to snug up the keel bolts and=20=
=3D=20
&gt; then=20
&gt; grind out the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =3D=20
&gt; alcohol.&gt; style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; They said=20=
if that =3D=20
&gt; doesn't work=20
&gt; then next year they will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the=
keel =3D=20
&gt; by=20
&gt; about 3 inches. Their =3D=20
&gt; experience=20
&gt; with this process has taught them a couple of things.&gt;=20
style=3D3D"mso-spacerun:=20
&gt; yes"&gt; First most boats had the keels joined to the hull=20=
=3D=20
&gt; just this=20
&gt; way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel.&=
gt;=20
style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; Second, 5200 really does not =3D=20
&gt; want to=20
&gt; let go. They've had boats =3D=20
&gt; in the=20
&gt; lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel=20=
up =3D=20
&gt; being the=20
&gt; 5200.
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&gt; anyone=20
&gt; has had a similar experience I'd like to hear about =3D=20
&gt; it.
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pan=20
&gt; style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt; =3D=20
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&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'&gt;-----Original Message=
-----
&gt; From: =3D=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-=
admin@lists.frers33.com</A>=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5d%26gt">ma=
ilto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]&gt</A>; style=3D3D'font-weight:=
bold'&gt;On=20
&gt; Behalf Of Allan Heyward
&gt; Sent: Thursday, February =3D=20
&gt; 02, 2006=20
&gt; 12:03
&gt; To: =3D=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.=
frers33.com</A>
&gt; Subject: RE: =3D=20
&gt; [frers-list]questions=20
&gt; on a purchase of a frers 33&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;mso-colo=
r-alt:windowtext'&gt;<=3D =20
> /p&gt;=20
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&gt; Roman"&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'&=
;gt;&gt;=20
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&gt;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<=3D > /p&am=
p;gt;=20
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&gt;=20
&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;Bob&gt; color=3D3Db=
lack&gt;&gt;=20
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p;gt;=20
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&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;I have a 1987 Frers 33=20=
that sails =3D=20
&gt; and=20
&gt; races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've read Frank's =3D=20
&gt; response on your question=20
&gt; 4 and only have a couple of things to add, based on my =3D=20
&gt; experience:&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'colo=
r:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<=3D =20
> /p&gt;=20
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&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;The construction of the=
transverse=20
&gt; stringer leaves a void below the stringer that extends to the leadi=
ng =3D=20
&gt; edge of=20
&gt; the keel sump to which the keel is bolted at the point of transitio=
n =3D=20
&gt; into the=20
&gt; hull. I don't know for certain if this will be true on all =3D=20
&gt; boats, as I=20
&gt; understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it ex=
ists,=20
&gt; it creates a potential structural weak point. If the leading =3D=20
&gt; edge=20
&gt; of the keel at the hull shows separation you will get a leak that w=
ill =3D=20
&gt; not only=20
&gt; contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a pa=
th to =3D=20
&gt; the=20
&gt; bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation between kee=
l and =3D=20
&gt; hull,=20
&gt; but a crack in the sump which, over time and load can create a tear=
in =3D=20
&gt; the=20
&gt; hull. This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and=20=
=3D=20
&gt; that you=20
&gt; should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull.=20=
=3D=20
&gt; The=20
&gt; fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other thing to=20=
=3D=20
&gt; check=20
&gt; is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one bo=
at =3D=20
&gt; (mine)=20
&gt; there was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that c=
aused=20
&gt; substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.&gt; color=3D3=
Dblack&gt;&gt;=20
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&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;Other than that, the bo=
at is strong=20
=3D=20
&gt; as an=20
&gt; ox and a delight to sail and race.&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;&=
amp;gt;=20
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p;gt;=20
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&gt;=20
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&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;Allan M. Heyward, =3D=20
&gt; Jr.&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;=
mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<=3D =20
> /p&gt;=20
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&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOP=
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&gt; FEEHAN,=20
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&gt; windowtext'&gt;
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&gt; face=3D3DTahoma&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:Tahoma;color:black'&gt;-----Original=20
&gt; Message-----
&gt; From:=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-=
admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">mailto:fre=
rs-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>] &gt; style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'&a=
mp;gt;On=20
Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, February =3D=20
&gt; 01, 2006=20
&gt; 7:02 AM
&gt; To: =3D=20
&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.=
frers33.com</A>
&gt; Subject: =3D=20
&gt; [frers-list]questions on=20
&gt; a purchase of a frers 33&gt; style=3D3D'color:=20
&gt; black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;
&gt;=20
&gt;=20
&gt; color=3D3Dblack=20
&gt; face=3D3D"Times New Roman"&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:12.=
0pt;color:black'&gt;=20
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&gt; face=3D3DArial&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
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am=20
&gt; currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.&gt; color=3D3Dbl=
ack&gt;&gt;=20
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p;gt;=20
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&gt; color=3D3Dblack=20
&gt; face=3D3DArial&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial;color:black'&gt;=20
&gt; ont&gt;&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'colo=
r:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<=3D =20
> /p&gt;=20
&gt;=20
&gt;=20
&gt; style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;&gt; co=
lor=3D3Dblack=20
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&gt; color:black'&gt;1)&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
&gt; 7.0pt;color:black'&gt; =3D=20
&gt; &gt; size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;&gt;=20=
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
&gt; color:black'&gt;Can anyone update me as to where any specific c=
oring issues=20
=3D=20
&gt; in=20
&gt; hull or the deck area that might be consistent with most of these=20=
=3D=20
&gt; boats?&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'color:bla=
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> /p&gt;=20
&gt;=20
&gt;=20
&gt; style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;&gt; co=
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&gt; color:black'&gt;2)&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=20
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&gt; color:black'&gt;If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to=
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&gt; this reasonable=20
&gt; or does the installation look like a morphidite?&gt; color=3D3D=
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&gt; color:black'&gt;Any questionable electrical to look for?&gt=
;=20
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&gt; style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;&gt; co=
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style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
&gt; color:black'&gt;Any concern on the design as it relates to the=20=
keel to hull=20
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&gt; design=20
&gt; or attachment. Separate from a bad grounding.&gt; color=3D3Dbla=
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&gt; in the Chicago area&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;=20
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&gt; face=3D3DArial&gt;&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
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&gt; for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look=20=
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<DIV>Allen,</DIV>
<DIV>My yard had to drop the keel last year because of a grounding tha=
t looked=20
like it kicked the keel off to port by about 5 degrees. Additionally I had a=
=20
crack in the hull just forward of where the leading edge of the keel joins t=
he=20
hull. They&nbsp;put the hull up on jack stands&nbsp;&nbsp;and th=
ey said it=20
normally takes about 5 hours of wailing on the top of the keel bolts&nbs=
p;with a=20
sledge hammer to loosen it. In my case they took three wacks and it dropped=20
right off. So much for 5200. </DIV>
<DIV>Frank Wittosch</DIV>
<DIV>Pepperke 2.0&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; When replying, plea=
se edit=20
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ts of=20
frers-list digest..." <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&g=
t; Today's Topics: <BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; 1. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert, Fra=
ncis X CIV SEA=20
01) <BR>&gt; 2. RE: questions on a purchase of a frers 33 (Albert,=
Francis X CI
V SEA 01) <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -- __--__-- <BR>&=
;gt; <BR>&gt; Message: 1 <BR>&gt;=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>&am=
p;gt; Date:=20
Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:08:37 -0500 <BR>&gt; From: "Albert, Francis X C=
IV SEA 01"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:FRANCIS.ALBERT%40NAVY.MIL">FRANCIS.ALBERT@NAVY.MIL</A>=
><BR>&gt; To: <<A href=3D"mailto:FRERS-LIST%40LISTS.FRERS33.=
COM">FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM</A>><BR>&gt;=20
Reply-To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists=
.frers33.com</A> <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This is a multi-part=20
message in MIME format. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ------_=3D_Nex=
tPart_001_01C628BA.90344C94=20
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so-8859-1" <BR>&gt;=20
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>&gt; <BR>&am=
p;gt; Bob, <BR>&gt; =3D20=20
<BR>&gt; My boat may have that new crack problem. I noticed last s=
ummer water =3D=20
<BR>&gt; getting in to the bilge area. This fall when they hauled=20=
the boat there=20
=3D <BR>&gt; was a crack right at the top of the keel right at whe=
re you would =3D=20
<BR>&gt; suppose the keel to hull joint would be (however, in one=20=
of these =3D=20
<BR>&gt; discussions someone mentioned the actu
al hull is lower, down the keel =3D <BR>&gt; like about 10 to 12=20=
inches) and=20
water from the bilge was seeping out. =3D <BR>&gt; That lower hull=
thing seems=20
pretty strange and my yard says the keel and =3D <BR>&gt; hull joi=
nt are right at=20
that crack. Their suggestion for this year is =3D <BR>&gt; to snug=
up the keel=20
bolts and then grind out the crack and fill it with =3D <BR>&gt; 5=
200, fairing it=20
using alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =3D <BR>&gt; ne=
xt year they=20
will remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =3D <BR>&g=
t; about 3=20
inches. Their experience with this process has taught them a =3D <BR>&=
amp;gt; couple=20
of things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =3D <BR>&=
amp;gt; just=20
this way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =3D <=
BR>&gt;=20
Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =3D &l=
t;BR>&gt;=20
lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =3D &l=
t;BR>&gt;=20
being the 5200. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; If anyone has
had a similar experience I'd like to hear about it. <BR>&gt;=20=
=3D20 <BR>&gt;=20
Thanks, <BR>&gt; Frank Albert <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&=
amp;gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt;=20
-----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-=
list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D=20
<BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5=
dOn">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On</A> Behalf Of Allan Heywar=
d=20
<BR>&gt; Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03 <BR>&gt=
; To:=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A> <BR>&gt; Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a=20
purchase of a frers 33 <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; Bob <B=
R>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; I have a=20
1987 Frers 33 that sails and races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =3D <BR>=
;&gt; read=20
Frank's response on your question 4 and only have a couple of =3D <BR>=
&gt; things=20
to add, based on my experience: <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt;=20=
The construction of the=20
transverse stringer leaves a void below the =3D <BR>&gt; stringer=20=
that extends to=20
the leading edge of the keel sump to which the =3D <BR>&gt; keel i=
s bolted at the=20
point of transition into the hull. I don't know =3D <BR>&gt; fo
r certain if this will be true on all boats, as I understand some may =3D=20
<BR>&gt; not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists, it c=
reates a =3D=20
<BR>&gt; potential structural weak point. If the leading edge of t=
he keel at the=20
=3D <BR>&gt; hull shows separation you will get a leak that will n=
ot only=20
contribute =3D <BR>&gt; to deterioration of the wood stringer, but=
provides a path=20
to the bilge: =3D <BR>&gt; the reason is that you are not seeing s=
eparation=20
between keel and hull, =3D <BR>&gt; but a crack in the sump which,=
over time and=20
load can create a tear in =3D <BR>&gt; the hull. This is one reaso=
n a fix from the=20
inside is desirable and =3D <BR>&gt; that you should look carefull=
y at the leading=20
edge of the keel at the =3D <BR>&gt; hull. The fix is not as traum=
atic as the=20
problem sounds. The other =3D <BR>&gt; thing to check is the keel=20=
bolts for deep=20
crevice corrosion, as on at =3D <BR>&gt; least one boat (mine) the=
re was a=20
mismatch between stainless in the =3D <BR>&gt; bolts and nuts tha
t caused substantial erosion of several of the keel =3D <BR>&gt;=20=
bolts. <BR>&gt;=20
=3D20 <BR>&gt; Other than that, the boat is strong as an ox and a=20=
delight to sail=20
and =3D <BR>&gt; race. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt;=
Allan M. Heyward, Jr. <BR>&gt; COOK,=20
HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &amp; FEEHAN, P.C. <BR>&gt; 804-747-4500=20=
<BR>&gt; =3D20=20
<BR>&gt; -----Original Message----- <BR>&gt; From: <A hr=
ef=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.fr=
ers33.com</A>=20
=3D <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.c=
om">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>] On Behalf Of Stephen,=20
Robert <BR>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:02 AM <BR&=
gt;&gt; To:=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A> <BR>&gt; Subject: [frers-list]questions on a=20
purchase of a frers 33 <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; I am curr=
ently interested in=20
purchasing a frers 33. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; 1) Can an=
yone update me as to where=20
any specific coring issues in =3D <BR>&gt; hull or the deck area t=
hat might be=20
consistent with most of these boats? <BR>&gt; 2) If I wanted to ch=
ange out the=20
wheel steering to a tiller is =3D <BR>&gt; this reasonabl
e or does the installation look like a morphidite? <BR>&gt; 3) An=
y questionable=20
electrical to look for? <BR>&gt; 4) Any concern on the design as i=
t relates to=20
the keel to hull =3D <BR>&gt; design or attachment. Separate from=20=
a bad grounding.=20
<BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; I live=20=
in the Chicago area <BR>&gt; Thanks=20
for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =3D <BR&g=
t;&gt; for"=20
<BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; Bob <BR>&gt; =3D20 <=
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=3D"<BR">&gt; yes"&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; </SPAN&=
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e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
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=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:bla=
ck'&gt;-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN=
></B> <BR>&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists=
.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>=20
=3D <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.c=
om%5d%3cB%3e%3cSPAN">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<B><=
SPAN</A> <BR>&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'&gt;On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Alla=
n Heyward<BR><BR>&gt;=20
<B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, February =3D <=
;BR>&gt; 02, 2006 <BR>&gt;=20
12:03<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></=
B> =3D <BR>&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.co=
m">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A><BR><BR>&gt;=20
<B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: =3D <BR>&=
gt; [frers-list]questions <BR>&gt; on a=20
purchase of a frers 33</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>&gt;=
<BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D'3D"Times' size=3D3 Roman? New&=
gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 12.0pt'&gt;<![if =3D <BR=
>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;&l=
t;o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial co=
lor=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font=
-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;Bob</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT=
><FONT =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;ms=
o-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;I have a 1987 Frers 33 that sail=
s =3D=20
<BR>&gt; and <BR>&gt; races on the Chesapeake Bay.&n=
bsp; I've read Frank's =3D=20
<BR>&gt; response on your question <BR>&gt; 4 and only h=
ave a couple of things=20
to add, based on my =3D <BR>&gt; experience:</SPAN></FONT=
><FONT <BR>&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'color:bla=
ck;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN><=
/FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT=
><FONT =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;ms=
o-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;The construction of the transver=
se =3D=20
<BR>&gt; stringer <BR>&gt; leaves a void below the strin=
ger that extends to the=20
leading edge of the =3D <BR>&gt; keel <BR>&gt; sump to w=
hich the keel is bolted at=20
the point of transition into the =3D <BR>&gt; hull. <BR>&=
;gt; &nbsp;I don't know=20
for certain if this will be true on all boats, =3D <BR>&gt; as I &=
lt;BR>&gt;=20
understand some may not have wood in the stringers, but where it exists,=20
<BR>&gt; &nbsp;it creates a potential structural weak point.&a=
mp;nbsp; If the=20
leading =3D <BR>&gt; edge <BR>&gt; of the keel at the hu=
ll shows separation you=20
will get a leak that will =3D <BR>&gt; not only <BR>&gt;=
contribute to=20
deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to =3D <BR>&am=
p;gt; the=20
<BR>&gt; bilge: the reason is that you are not seeing separation b=
etween keel=20
and =3D <BR>&gt; hull, <BR>&gt; but a crack in the su=
mp which, over time and=20
load can create a tear in =3D <BR>&gt; the <BR>&gt; hull=
.&nbsp; This is one reason=20
a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D <BR>&gt; that you <B=
R>&gt; should look=20
carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the hull.&nbsp; =3D <BR&=
gt;&gt; The=20
<BR>&gt; fix is not as traumatic as the problem sounds.&nbsp;=20=
The other thing to=20
=3D <BR>&gt; check <BR>&gt; is the keel bolts for deep c=
revice corrosion, as on at=20
least one boat =3D <BR>&gt; (mine) <BR>&gt; there was a=20=
mismatch between stainless=20
in the bolts and nuts that caused <BR>&gt; substantial erosion of=20=
several of the=20
keel bolts.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt; color=3D3Db=
lack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&=
gt;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT=
><FONT =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;ms=
o-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;Other than that, the boat is str=
ong =3D=20
<BR>&gt; as an <BR>&gt; ox and a delight to sail and rac=
e.</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT=
><FONT =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;ms=
o-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;Allan M. Heyward, =3D <BR>=
&gt;=20
Jr.</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&=
;gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&=
gt;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &=
amp; =3D=20
<BR>&gt; FEEHAN, <BR>&gt; P.C.</SPAN></FONT>=
<FONT color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt: <BR>&=
;gt; windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=
;/P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; <P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial c=
olor=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font=
-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;804-747-4500</SPAN></FONT><F=
ONT=20
<BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT=
><FONT =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;ms=
o-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack <BR>&gt; face=3D3DTahoma&a=
mp;gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'&gt;-----Orig=
inal=20
<BR>&gt; Message-----<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPA=
N>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>&gt;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> =3D <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admi=
n%40lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>]=20
<B><SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'&gt;On=20=
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Stephen,=20
Robert<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN>&l=
t;/B> Wednesday, February =3D <BR>&gt; 01,=20
2006 <BR>&gt; 7:02 AM<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPA=
N>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A><BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN>=
;</B> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
[frers-list]questions on <BR>&gt; a purchase of a frers 33</SPA=
N></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'color: <BR=
>&gt; black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p>&=
lt;/SPAN></FONT></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 =3D"<=
BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack <BR>&gt;=20
face=3D3D"Times New Roman"&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3=
D'font-size:12.0pt;color:black'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT>&=
lt;FONT=20
<BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack <BR>&gt; face=3D3DArial&am=
p;gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'&gt;I am <B=
R>&gt;=20
currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</SPAN></FONT><=
FONT =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;ms=
o-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack <BR>&gt; face=3D3DArial&am=
p;gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'&gt;&nbsp;=
</SPAN></F=3D=20
<BR>&gt; ont&gt;<FONT <BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&am=
p;gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&=
gt;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;<FONT size=3D3 &l=
t;BR>&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=
=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>&gt; color:black'&gt;1)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20=
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 7.0pt;color=
:black'&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
=3D <BR>&gt; </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt;=
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>&gt; color:black'&gt;Can anyone update me as to where any=20=
specific coring=20
issues =3D <BR>&gt; in <BR>&gt; hull or the deck area th=
at might be consistent=20
with most of these =3D <BR>&gt; boats?</SPAN></FONT>&l=
t;FONT <BR>&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'color:bla=
ck;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN><=
/FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;<FONT size=3D3 &l=
t;BR>&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=
=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>&gt; color:black'&gt;2)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20=
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 7.0pt;color=
:black'&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
=3D <BR>&gt; </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt;=
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>&gt; color:black'&gt;If I wanted to change out the wheel s=
teering to a=20
tiller is =3D <BR>&gt; this <BR>&gt; reasonable or does=20=
the installation look like=20
a =3D <BR>&gt; morphidite?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <B=
R>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&=
;gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20=
class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;<FONT size=3D3 &l=
t;BR>&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=
=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
<BR>&gt; color:black'&gt;3)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20=
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 7.0pt;color=
:black'&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
=3D <BR>&gt; </SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt;=
size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dblack=20
face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;=20
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<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; -- __--__-- <BR>&gt; <BR=
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RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>&gt; Dat=
e: Fri, 3 Feb=20
2006 15:14:30 -0500 <BR>&gt; From: "Albert, Francis X CIV SEA 01"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:FRANCIS.ALBERT%40NAVY.MIL">FRANCIS.ALBERT@NAVY.MIL</A>=
><BR>&gt; To: <<A href=3D"mailto:FRERS-LIST%40LISTS.FRERS33.=
COM">FRERS-LIST@LISTS.FRERS33.COM</A>><BR>&gt;=20
Reply-To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists=
.frers33.com</A> <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This is a multi-part=20
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tPart_001_01C628FE.708DCEC6=20
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so-8859-1" <BR>&gt;=20
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <BR>&gt; <BR>&am=
p;gt; Alright big=20
question is where all these boats made the same and if =3D <BR>&gt=
; anyone knows=20
of a different version. Allen y our boat was number 14 what =3D <BR>=
&gt; year=20
was your boat built? Wild thing was number 37 and may have been =3D <BR&g=
t;&gt; built=20
in the same year as mine. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; Thanks=
, <BR>&gt; Frank Albert=20
<BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; -----Original Message----- <B=
R>&gt; From:=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> =3D <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admi=
n%40lists.frers33.com%5dOn">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]On</A>=
=20
Behalf Of Albert, Francis =3D <BR>&gt; X CIV SEA 01 <BR>&=
;gt; Sent: Friday,=20
February 03, 2006 7:09 <BR>&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%4=
0lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A> <BR>&gt;=20
Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>&am=
p;gt; =3D20=20
<BR>&gt; Bob, <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; My boat=20=
may have that new crack problem. I=20
noticed last summer water =3D <BR>&gt; getting in to the bilge are=
a. This fall=20
when they hauled the boat there =3D <BR>&gt; was a crack right at=20=
the top of the=20
keel right at where you would =3D <BR>&gt; suppose the keel to hul=
l joint would be=20
(however, in one of these =3D <BR>&gt; discussions someone mention=
ed the actual=20
hull is lower , down the keel =3D <BR>&gt; like about 10 to 12 i=
nches) and water=20
from the bilge was seeping out. =3D <BR>&gt; That lower hull thing=
seems pretty=20
strange and my yard says the keel and =3D <BR>&gt; hull joint are=20=
right at that=20
crack. Their suggestion for this year is =3D <BR>&gt; to snug up t=
he keel bolts=20
and then grind out the crack and fill it with =3D <BR>&gt; 5200, f=
airing it using=20
alcohol. They said if that doesn't work then =3D <BR>&gt; next yea=
r they will=20
remove the bolts and lift the boat off the keel by =3D <BR>&gt; ab=
out 3 inches.=20
Their experience with this process has taught them a =3D <BR>&gt;=20=
couple of=20
things. First most boats had the keels joined to the hull =3D <BR>&=
;gt; just this=20
way with a ton of 5200 spread over the entire top of the keel. =3D <BR>=
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Second, 5200 really does not want to let go. They've had boats in the =3D &l=
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lift like this for four hours with the only thing holding the keel up =3D &l=
t;BR>&gt;=20
being the 5200. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; If anyone has ha=
d a similar e xperience=20
I'd like to hear about it. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; Thank=
s, <BR>&gt; Frank Albert=20
<BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; =3D20 &=
lt;BR>&gt; -----Original Message-----=20
<BR>&gt; From: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.=
com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
[<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com%5dOn">mailto:frers-l=
ist-admin@lists.frers33.com]On</A> Behalf Of Allan Heyward <BR>&gt=
;=20
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:03 <BR>&gt; To: <A href=3D"ma=
ilto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</A>=20
<BR>&gt; Subject: RE: [frers-list]questions on a purchase of a fre=
rs 33 <BR>&gt;=20
=3D20 <BR>&gt; Bob <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; I h=
ave a 1987 Frers 33 that sails and=20
races on the Chesapeake Bay. I've =3D <BR>&gt; read Frank's respon=
se on your=20
question 4 and only have a couple of =3D <BR>&gt; things to add, b=
ased on my=20
experience: <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; The construction of=20=
the transverse stringer=20
leaves a void below the =3D <BR>&gt; stringer that extends to the=20=
leading edge of=20
the keel sump to which the =3D <BR>&gt; keel is bolted at the poin=
t of transition=20
into the hull. I don't know =3D <BR>&gt; for certain if thi s wi=
ll be true on=20
all boats, as I understand some may =3D <BR>&gt; not have wood in=20=
the stringers,=20
but where it exists, it creates a =3D <BR>&gt; potential structura=
l weak point. If=20
the leading edge of the keel at the =3D <BR>&gt; hull shows separa=
tion you will=20
get a leak that will not only contribute =3D <BR>&gt; to deteriora=
tion of the wood=20
stringer, but provides a path to the bilge: =3D <BR>&gt; the reaso=
n is that you=20
are not seeing separation between keel and hull, =3D <BR>&gt; but=20=
a crack in the=20
sump which, over time and load can create a tear in =3D <BR>&gt; t=
he hull. This is=20
one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D <BR>&gt; tha=
t you should=20
look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at the =3D <BR>&gt;=
hull. The fix=20
is not as traumatic as the problem sounds. The other =3D <BR>&gt;=20=
thing to check=20
is the keel bolts for deep crevice corrosion, as on at =3D <BR>&gt=
; least one boat=20
(mine) there was a mismatch between stainless in the =3D <BR>&gt;=20=
bolts and nuts=20
that caused substan tial erosion of several of the keel =3D <BR>&=
;gt; bolts.=20
<BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; Other than that, the boat is str=
ong as an ox and a delight=20
to sail and =3D <BR>&gt; race. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>=
&gt; Allan M. Heyward, Jr.=20
<BR>&gt; COOK, HEYWARD, LEE, HOPPER &amp; FEEHAN, P.C. <BR&=
gt;&gt; 804-747-4500=20
<BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; -----Original Message----- <B=
R>&gt; From:=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> =3D <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admi=
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On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert <BR>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, February 01=
, 2006 7:02 AM=20
<BR>&gt; To: <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">fre=
rs-list@lists.frers33.com</A> <BR>&gt; Subject: [frers-list]questi=
ons=20
on a purchase of a frers 33 <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; I am=
currently interested in=20
purchasing a frers 33. <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; 1) Can an=
yone update me as to where=20
any specific coring issues in =3D <BR>&gt; hull or the deck area t=
hat might be=20
consistent with most of these boats? <BR>&gt; 2) If I wanted to ch=
ange out the=20
wheel steering to a tiller is =3D <BR>&gt; this reasonable or does=
the in =20
stallation look like a morphidite? <BR>&gt; 3) Any questionable el=
ectrical to=20
look for? <BR>&gt; 4) Any concern on the design as it relates to t=
he keel to=20
hull =3D <BR>&gt; design or attachment. Separate from a bad ground=
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=3D20 <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; I live in the Chicago area=
<BR>&gt; Thanks for any=20
advice or information anyone can offer on "what to look =3D <BR>&g=
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=3D20 <BR>&gt; Bob <BR>&gt; =3D20 <BR>&gt; <=
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e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3D"#993366" <BR>&gt; face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"&l=
t;BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: <BR>=
;&gt;=20
Arial'&gt;Alright big question is where all these boats made the same an=
d =3D=20
<BR>&gt; if <BR>&gt; anyone knows of a different version=
.<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
yes"&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; </SPAN>Allen your boat was n=
umber 14 what year was your=20
boat built?<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;=
&nbsp; </SPAN>Wild=20
thing was number 37 and =3D <BR>&gt; may have <BR>&gt; b=
een built in the same year=20
as mine.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P=
><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
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e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
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mp;nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
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<BR>&gt;=20
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e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3D"#993366" <BR>&gt; face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"&l=
t;BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: <BR>=
;&gt;=20
Arial'&gt;Thanks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></S=
PAN></P><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle21><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3D"#993366" <BR>&gt; face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"&l=
t;BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: <BR>=
;&gt;=20
Arial'&gt;Frank Albert<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT>&=
lt;/SPAN></P><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
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e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
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t;BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family: <BR>=
;&gt;=20
Arial'&gt;<![if =3D <BR>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&a=
mp;nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FON=
T></SPAN></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DTahoma color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:bla=
ck'&gt;-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN=
></B> <BR>&gt; <A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists=
.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</A>=20
=3D <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.c=
om%5d%3cB%3e%3cSPAN">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com]<B><=
SPAN</A> <BR>&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'&gt;On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Albe=
rt, Francis X CIV =3D=20
<BR>&gt; SEA 01<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>S=
ent:</SPAN></B> Friday, February =3D=20
<BR>&gt; 03, 2006 <BR>&gt; 7:09<BR><BR>&=
gt; <B><SPAN>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A><BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN>=
;</B> RE: =3D=20
<BR>&gt; [frers-list]questions <BR>&gt; on a purchase of=
a frers=20
33</SPAN></FONT></P><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D'3D"Times' size=3D3 Roman? New&=
gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 12.0pt'&gt;<![if =3D <BR=
>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;&l=
t;o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailSt=
yle20><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR=
>&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial'&gt;Bo=3D=20
<BR>&gt; b,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></S=
PAN></P><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <P=20
class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT size=3D3=20=
=3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;<!=
=3D =20
<BR>&gt; [if =3D <BR>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&am=
p;nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; <P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailSt=
yle20><FONT size=3D3=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR=
>&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-fami=
ly:Arial'&gt;My=3D=20
<BR>&gt; boat <BR>&gt; may have that new crack problem.&=
lt;SPAN yes?>&nbsp; =3D=20
<BR>&gt; </SPAN>I <BR>&gt; noticed last summer wat=
er getting in to the bilge=20
area.<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&n=
bsp; </SPAN>This fall when=20
they hauled the =3D <BR>&gt; boat <BR>&gt; there was a c=
rack right at the top of=20
the keel right at where you would =3D <BR>&gt; suppose <BR>&=
amp;gt; the keel to hull=20
joint would be (however, in one of these discussions =3D <BR>&gt;=20=
someone <BR>&gt;=20
mentioned the actual hull is lower, down the keel like about 10 to 12 =3D &l=
t;BR>&gt;=20
inches) <BR>&gt; and water from the bilge was seeping out.<SPAN=
=3D"<BR">&gt;=20
yes"&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&gt; </SPAN>That lower hull thing=
seems pretty strange and my=20
yard says the =3D <BR>&gt; keel and <BR>&gt; hull joint=20=
are right at that=20
crack.<SPAN =3D" <BR">&gt; yes"&gt;&nbsp; <BR>&=
amp;gt; </SPAN>Their suggestion for=20
this year is to snug up the keel bolts and =3D <BR>&gt; then <B=
R>&gt; grind out=20
the crack and fill it with 5200, fairing it using =3D <BR>&gt; alc=
ohol.<SPAN=20
<BR>&gt; style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
</SPAN>They said if that =3D=20
<BR>&gt; doesn't work <BR>&gt; then next year they will=20=
remove the bolts and=20
lift the boat off the keel =3D <BR>&gt; by <BR>&gt; abou=
t 3 inches.<SPAN=20
yes?>&nbsp; </SPAN>Their =3D <BR>&gt; experience <=
BR>&gt; with this process has=20
taught them a couple of things.<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D"m=
so-spacerun: <BR>&gt;=20
yes"&gt;&nbsp; </SPAN>First most boats had the keels joined to=
the hull =3D=20
<BR>&gt; just this <BR>&gt; way with a ton of 5200 sprea=
d over the entire top of=20
the keel.<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&gt;&a=
mp;nbsp; </SPAN>Second,=20
5200 really does not =3D <BR>&gt; want to <BR>&gt; let g=
o.<SPAN yes?>&nbsp;=20
</SPAN>They've had boats =3D <BR>&gt; in the <BR>&=
gt; lift like this for four=20
hours
with the only thing holding the keel up =3D <BR>&gt; being the &=
lt;BR>&gt;=20
5200.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>=
;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;<!=
=3D =20
<BR>&gt; [if =3D <BR>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&am=
p;nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;If=3D=20
<BR>&gt; anyone <BR>&gt; has had a similar experience I'=
d like to hear about =3D=20
<BR>&gt; it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></=
SPAN></P><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;<!=
=3D =20
<BR>&gt; [if =3D <BR>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&am=
p;nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;Th=3D=20
<BR>&gt; anks,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=
;/SPAN></P><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;Fr=3D=20
<BR>&gt; ank <BR>&gt; Albert<o:p></o:p></=
SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;<!=
=3D =20
<BR>&gt; [if =3D <BR>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&am=
p;nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;<S=
=3D=20
<BR>&gt; pan <BR>&gt; style=3D3D"mso-spacerun: yes"&=
gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; =3D <BR>&gt;=20
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&=
lt;/P><BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3D3DEmailStyle20><FONT siz=
e=3D3 =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'=
font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'&gt;<!=
=3D =20
<BR>&gt; [if =3D <BR>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&am=
p;nbsp;&lt;![endif]&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT=
></SPAN></P><BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DTahoma color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:bla=
ck'&gt;-----Original=20
Message-----<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>From:</SPAN=
></B> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40=
lists.frers33.com%5d%3cB%3e%3cSPAN">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.co=
m]<B><SPAN</A>=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'&gt;On <BR>&am=
p;gt; Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Allan=20
Heyward<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN>&=
lt;/B> Thursday, February =3D <BR>&gt; 02,=20
2006 <BR>&gt; 12:03<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN&=
gt;To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A><BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN>=
;</B> RE: =3D=20
<BR>&gt; [frers-list]questions <BR>&gt; on a purchase of=
a frers=20
33</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN <BR>&=
amp;gt; style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p>&=
lt;/o:p></SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D'3D"Times' color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3 New=3D"<BR">&gt;=20
Roman"&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:=
black'&gt;<![if =3D =20
<BR>&gt; !supportEmptyParas]&gt;&nbsp;&lt;![endif]&=
;gt;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
<BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;Bob</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;I have a=20
1987 Frers 33 that sails =3D <BR>&gt; and <BR>&gt; races=
on the Chesapeake=20
Bay.&nbsp; I've read Frank's =3D <BR>&gt; response on your que=
stion <BR>&gt; 4 and=20
only have a couple of things to add, based on my =3D <BR>&gt; expe=
rience:</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
<BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;The=20
construction of the transverse <BR>&gt; stringer leaves a void bel=
ow the=20
stringer that extends to the leading =3D <BR>&gt; edge of <BR&g=
t;&gt; the keel sump=20
to which the keel is bolted at the point of transition =3D <BR>&gt=
; into the=20
<BR>&gt; hull. &nbsp;I don't know for certain if this will be=20=
true on all =3D=20
<BR>&gt; boats, as I <BR>&gt; understand some may not ha=
ve wood in the=20
stringers, but where it exists, <BR>&gt; &nbsp;it creates a po=
tential structural=20
weak point.&nbsp; If the leading =3D <BR>&gt; edge <BR>&=
amp;gt; of the keel at the=20
hull shows separation you will get a leak that will =3D <BR>&gt; n=
ot only <BR>&gt;=20
contribute to deterioration of the wood stringer, but provides a path to=20=
=3D=20
<BR>&gt; the <BR>&gt; bilge: the reason is that you are=20=
not seeing separation=20
between keel and =3D <BR>&gt; hull, <BR>&gt; but a crack=
in the sump which
, over time and load can create a tear in =3D <BR>&gt; the <BR=
>&gt; hull.&nbsp;=20
This is one reason a fix from the inside is desirable and =3D <BR>&=
;gt; that you=20
<BR>&gt; should look carefully at the leading edge of the keel at=20=
the=20
hull.&nbsp; =3D <BR>&gt; The <BR>&gt; fix is not as=20=
traumatic as the problem=20
sounds.&nbsp; The other thing to =3D <BR>&gt; check <BR>=
&gt; is the keel bolts for=20
deep crevice corrosion, as on at least one boat =3D <BR>&gt; (mine=
) <BR>&gt; there=20
was a mismatch between stainless in the bolts and nuts that caused <BR>=
;&gt;=20
substantial erosion of several of the keel bolts.</SPAN></FONT>&=
lt;FONT <BR>&gt;=20
color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'color:bla=
ck;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p></SPAN><=
/FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;Other than=20
that, the boat is strong =3D <BR>&gt; as an <BR>&gt; ox=20=
and a delight to sail and=20
race.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dbl=
ack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&=
gt;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size: <BR>&gt; 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy=
'&gt;&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
t;</SPAN></FONT>&lt;=3D=20
<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
<P class=3D3DMsoAutoSig><FONT face=3D3DArial color=3D#3d0a00 size=
=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
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<BR>&gt; Message-----<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPA=
N>From:</SPAN></B> <BR>&gt;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com</A> =3D <BR>&gt; [<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admi=
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<B><SPAN <BR>&gt; style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'&gt;On=20=
Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Stephen,=20
Robert<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>Sent:</SPAN>&l=
t;/B> Wednesday, February =3D <BR>&gt; 01,=20
2006 <BR>&gt; 7:02 AM<BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPA=
N>To:</SPAN></B> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
<A href=3D"mailto:frers-list%40lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</A><BR><BR>&gt; <B><SPAN>Subject:</SPAN>=
;</B> =3D <BR>&gt;=20
[frers-list]questions on <BR>&gt; a purchase of a frers 33</SPA=
N></FONT><FONT=20
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face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'&gt;I=20
am <BR>&gt; currently interested in purchasing a frers 33.</SPA=
N></FONT><FONT=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN <BR>&gt; s=
tyle=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&g=
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=3D3Dblack <BR>&gt;=20
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=3D=20
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<P class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'margin-left:1.0=
in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;<FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <BR>&gt; color:blac=
k'&gt;1)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
7.0pt;color:black'&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; =3D <BR>&gt;=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt; size=3D3D2 color=3D3Db=
lack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <B=
R>&gt;=20
color:black'&gt;Can anyone update me as to where any specific coring iss=
ues =3D=20
<BR>&gt; in <BR>&gt; hull or the deck area that might be=
consistent with most of=20
these =3D <BR>&gt; boats?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR=
>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&gt;<SPAN=20
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<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
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in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;<FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">&gt;=20
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k'&gt;2)</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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&nbsp; =3D <BR>&gt;=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt; size=3D3D2 color=3D3Db=
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=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <B=
R>&gt;=20
color:black'&gt;If I wanted to change out the wheel steering to a tiller=
is =3D=20
<BR>&gt; this reasonable <BR>&gt; or does the installati=
on look like a=20
morphidite?</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt; color=3D3Db=
lack&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt;=20
style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&=
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<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
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in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;<FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">&gt;=20
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color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
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&nbsp; =3D <BR>&gt;=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt; size=3D3D2 color=3D3Db=
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=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <B=
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color:black'&gt;Any questionable electrical to look for?</SPAN><=
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<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
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in;text-indent:-.25in'&gt;<FONT=20
size=3D3 <BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN=20=
=3D"<BR">&gt;=20
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color=3D#3d0a00 size=3D3><SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font=
-size: <BR>&gt;=20
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&nbsp; =3D <BR>&gt;=20
</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt; size=3D3D2 color=3D3Db=
lack face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial; <B=
R>&gt;=20
color:black'&gt;Any concern on the design as it relates to the keel to h=
ull =3D=20
<BR>&gt; design <BR>&gt; or attachment. Separate from a=20=
bad grounding.</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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<BR>&gt; ont&gt;<FONT <BR>&gt; color=3D3Dblack&am=
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style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&=
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<BR>&gt; /p&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
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=3D3Dblack <BR>&gt;=20
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style=3D3D'color:black;mso-color-alt:windowtext'&gt;<o:p></o:p&=
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face=3D3DArial&gt;<SPAN =3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'&gt;I=20
live <BR>&gt; in the Chicago area</SPAN></FONT><FON=
T color=3D#3d0a00><SPAN=20
=3D"<BR">&gt; style=3D3D'color:black; <BR>&gt; mso-color=
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'&gt;Thanks=20
<BR>&gt; for any advice or information anyone can offer on "what t=
o look =3D=20
<BR>&gt; for"</SPAN></FONT><FONT <BR>&gt;=
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