[frers-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides
Richard Saunders
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Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:03:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Rod,=A0 =0A=A0=0ARig measurements: Louis Nees, previous owner of Out of Rea=
ch gave me this rig info in Feb '07 including those of Eclipse, a very well=
sailed boat out of Boston at the time.=A0 I haven't measured Out of Reach=
=A0myself,=A0nor are my rig tensions currently the same as I don't have=A0t=
he proper Loos gage.=A0=A0 =0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
Out of Reach=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Eclipse=0A=0AForestay=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 45' 11=
"=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A045' 9"=0ABackstay=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 47' 8"=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 48' 0.5"=0A=0ARig Tension=0AOuter=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 58 lbs=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 65 lbs=0AIntermediate 20=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 16=0ALower=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 20=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 27=0A------------------------------=
------=0A=A0=0ABilge pumps:=A0 Out of Reach has the same problematic Guzzle=
r cockpit manual pump with it's lengthy hose and discharge aft.=A0 The bilg=
e pump is a Jabsco mounted under the head vanity which discharges at just b=
elow the gunwale in the head compartment.=A0 There is a strainer in the inp=
ut hose, but no=A0level switch is used.=A0 The pump is operated=A0by a circ=
uit breaker in the nav station panel.=A0 There is a small Rule pump with fl=
oat switch in the sump under the engine=A0that discharges=A0starboard aft j=
ust below gunwale.=A0 It is controlled by a=A03-way switch (On-Off-Auto) mo=
unted just above the door under the galley sink.=A0 It doesn't work well, a=
s it back flows what's left in the hose, and I never run it in Auto.=0A=A0=
=0ADick Saunders=0AOut of Reach=0A=0A=A0=0A=0A_____________________________=
___=0AFrom: rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca>=0ATo: frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com=0ACc: Neal Melanson <neal.melanson@gmail.com>; Mark Dixon <econmar@s=
bcglobal.net>; Jim Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>; David Nauber <dnauber@ya=
hoo.com>; Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>; fxalbert@prodigy.net=0ASen=
t: Sunday, October 4, 2009 7:09:02 AM=0ASubject: [frers-list]Bilge Pumps an=
d Tuning Guides=0A=0A=0AHi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;=0A=A0=0AHope you all ha=
d a great season.=A0 We've had the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now=
.=A0 I have a few minor changes to finalize it (rig measurements) so if any=
one has any additional suggestions please let me know.=0A=A0=0AThe second i=
tem I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location an=
d operation.=0A=091. The manual bilge pump is located on the port side of t=
he cockpit just aft of the wheel and discharges overboard near the waterlin=
e.=A0 Convenient location but a long haul for the water to get overboard.=
=A0 I seem to be loosing suction.=A0 Difficult area to get to.=A0 Has anyon=
e experienced this problem and if so how did you rectify it?=0A=092. Electr=
ic bilge pump located under the port settee with the discharge port side af=
t just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwhale.=A0 There is a float s=
witch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose before it enters the pump.=A0=
Either the pump is too small, not working properly or the discharge hose i=
s too long.=A0 The result is that even if the bilge is full it takes foreve=
r to empty it using the electric bilge pump.=A0 Wondering if everyone has t=
he same arrangement of if some have moved the bilge pump discharge location=
closer to the pump.=0AThanks in advance for your replies.=0A=A0=0ARod Stri=
ght=0AEquinox
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ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:tahoma, new york, times, serif;font-size=
:10pt"><DIV>=0A<P>Rod, </P>=0A<P> </P>=0A<P>Rig measurements: Lo=
uis Nees, previous owner of Out of Reach gave me this rig info in Feb '07 i=
ncluding those of Eclipse, a very well sailed boat out of Boston at the tim=
e. I haven't measured Out of Reach myself, nor are my rig t=
ensions currently the same as I don't have the proper Loos gage. =
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Out of Reach &n=
bsp; Eclipse<BR><BR>Forestay 45' 11" &nb=
sp; 45' 9"<BR>Backsta=
y 47' 8" &=
nbsp; 48' 0.5"<BR><BR>Rig Tension<BR>Ou=
ter 58 lbs =
; &n=
bsp; 65 lbs<BR>Intermediate 20 &nb=
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16<BR>Lower 20 =
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sp; 27</P>=0A<P>-----------------------------------=
-</P>=0A<P> </P>=0A<P>Bilge pumps: Out of Reach has the same pro=
blematic Guzzler cockpit manual pump with it's lengthy hose and discharge a=
ft. The bilge pump is a Jabsco mounted under the head vanity which di=
scharges at just below the gunwale in the head compartment. There is =
a strainer in the input hose, but no level switch is used. The p=
ump is operated by a circuit breaker in the nav station panel. T=
here is a small Rule pump with float switch in the sump under the engine&nb=
sp;that discharges starboard aft just below gunwale. It is contr=
olled by a 3-way switch (On-Off-Auto) mounted just above the door unde=
r the galley sink. It doesn't work well, as it back flows what's left=
in the hose, and I never run it in Auto.</P>=0A<P> </P>=0A<P>Dick Sau=
nders</P>=0A<P>Out of Reach</P>=0A<P><BR> </P></DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"F=
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2>=0A<HR SIZE=3D1>=0A<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIG=
HT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> rod stright <strightr@eastlink.ca><BR><B><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> frers-list@lists.frers33.co=
m<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> Neal Melanson <=
neal.melanson@gmail.com>; Mark Dixon <econmar@sbcglobal.net>; Jim =
Mormile <jim.mormile@snet.net>; David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com>=
;; Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net>; fxalbert@prodigy.net<BR><B>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, October 4, 2009 =
7:09:02 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [fre=
rs-list]Bilge Pumps and Tuning Guides<BR></FONT><BR>=0A<STYLE></STYLE>=0A=
=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Hi Fellow Frers 33 Sailors;</FONT></=
DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT=
color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Hope you all had a great season. We've had =
the Tuning Guide posted for a few months now. I have a few minor chan=
ges to finalize it (rig measurements) so if anyone has any additional sugge=
stions please let me know.</FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=
=3D2></FONT> </DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>The second i=
tem I have relates to some problem areas relating to bilge pump location an=
d operation.</FONT></DIV>=0A<OL>=0A<LI><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>The m=
anual bilge pump is located on the port side of the cockpit just aft of the=
wheel and discharges overboard near the waterline. Convenient locati=
on but a long haul for the water to get overboard. I seem to be loosi=
ng suction. Difficult area to get to. Has anyone experienced th=
is problem and if so how did you rectify it?</FONT></LI>=0A<LI><FONT color=
=3D#000080 size=3D2>Electric bilge pump located under the port settee with =
the discharge port side aft just above the manual bilge pump near the gunwh=
ale. There is a float switch in the bilge and a strainer in the hose =
before it enters the pump. Either the pump is too small, not working =
properly or the discharge hose is too long. The result is that even i=
f the bilge is full it takes forever to empty it using the electric bilge p=
ump. Wondering if everyone has the same arrangement of if some have m=
oved the bilge pump discharge location closer to the pump.</FONT></LI></OL>=
=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Thanks in advance for your replies.<=
/FONT></DIV>=0A<DIV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>=0A<D=
IV><FONT color=3D#000080 size=3D2>Rod Stright<BR>Equinox</FONT></DIV></DIV>=
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