[frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?
FRANCIS ALBERT
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Courtney,
=C2=A0
The draft for the wing keel is identified in Sales Brocure on the Frers 33 =
web site as 4' 11"
=C2=A0
Frank
--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would y=
ou make ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 3:25 PM
Dave,
Thanks for the considered reply.
I fully understand the motives regarding caveats applicable to underbody an=
d rig alteration and will heed.
My boat was described by the seller as a wing keel, on which I've found no =
specifics. I'd like to know the draft
with this keel and what others think of it vis-a-vis the standard fin.
I'll plan on a multiply reefable main. Thanks for the suggestion.
What do you think of continuing the rod rigging ? To what other types of st=
anding rigging have others chosen
and with what results ?
Do you know where I can view a picture [or find the specs] of a properly do=
ne "deck tie down"=C2=A0 ?
Advantage of inboard shrouds is gratefully noted.
I had planned on adding a bimini/dodger. Has no one satisfactorily added a =
bimini ?
Has no one done anything to the stock rudder installation to render it less=
vulnerable ?
Gratefully,
Courtney
On 8/19/2011 1:06 PM, Dave Nauber wrote:=20
Hi Courtney,
=C2=A0
I have read the few other replies and thought I would put in my two cents.=
=20
=C2=A0
As Joyce says, the Frers 33 is a well designed boat that is both beautiful =
and seaworthy. I would approach any structural modifications with caution, =
especially if they involve the sail plan or under water appendages.=20
=C2=A0
If you shorten the keel to give access to more harbors, consider a bulb or =
some means of maintaining the righting moment. Shortening the rig would not=
likely be much of an advantage (unless you need to clear a fixed bridge) b=
ecause it limits the sail area when you need/want it. You can always reef a=
nd use smaller headsails when over powered, so I would recommend a mainsail=
with multiple reef points.=20
=C2=A0
Apparently not all boats have a deck tie-down (turnbuckle joining the front=
of the mast to the deck inside the cabin) to keep the deck from flexing in=
breeze and waves. I would install that if it=E2=80=99s not there.
=C2=A0
The advantage of the double-spreader rig is that the shrouds are further in=
board at the deck, allowing for a narrower sheeting angle. Changing this ar=
rangement will compromise your upwind performance, so I wouldn=E2=80=99t mo=
dify it.
=C2=A0
If I were going to exclusively cruise the boat I would focus on optimizing =
for navigation, auto helm, refrigeration, add water holding capacity and in=
stalling a newer stove/oven. I would break down and add a sleek dodger and =
come up with a shade to be used at anchor that could be removed when underw=
ay. I think the boom is too low to do a bimini properly.
=C2=A0
That=E2=80=99s it for me. Anyone else have ideas or comments?
=C2=A0
BTW, you can beat a well sailed Frers 36, especially in light air, but it=
=E2=80=99s not easy!
=C2=A0
Regards,
=C2=A0
Dave Nauber
Wolverine
=C2=A0
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of joberdorf@optonline.net
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:34 P M
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would y=
ou make ?
=C2=A0
Courtney:
=C2=A0
I will let others speak to the class rules specifically. But suffice it to =
say that=C2=A0 to significantly alter the boat would make the frers a diffe=
rent boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right when he designed it. It was Boat o=
f the Year at that time. By far, the sweetest sailing Frers.=C2=A0 This has=
nothing to do with being a purist-- it has to do with the design of the bo=
at.=20
However, here is what I know:
1. Running backs have been modified on some boats (placement of on deck var=
ies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)
2. Keel has been slightly modified on some boats.=C2=A0 Wolverine has a sli=
ghtly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence better downwind). Others, have t=
he standard depth keel.=C2=A0 Boats such as Impetuous, and Checkmate (which=
followed Impetuous' lead) faired the trailing edge and therefore extended =
it to a fine edge. So you'll see slight variations. But these are all allow=
ed within class rules.
3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast.=C2=A0I heard of a Frers 41 ow=
ner LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pain in the butt in light air vis =
a vis the backstay)=C2=A0and another lengthening the mast and keeping the b=
oom. But these were entirely different boats.
4. M ast Steps have been strengthened in nearly every boat, over time. M in=
e was done by prior owner at New England Boatworks.
5. Rudder bearings have been changed in nearly every boat.=C2=A0 For me, tw=
ice so far in 15 yrs.
6. M ost rod rigging is replaced as it wears, but not reconfigured.=C2=A0 I=
n terms of other rigging, I've seen different mainsheet arrangements in ter=
ms of block purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have installed the Harke=
n traveller system.
7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc, but not changed otherwise.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0I presume you bought the Frers because you actually liked the boat?
=C2=A0
Joyce (Checkmate owner)
----- Original M essage -----
From: Courtney Thomas=20
Date: M onday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm
Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you m=
ake ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Ahoy !
>=20
> I am about to undertake a complete refit of a Frers33 and would=20
> appreciate all input regarding
> changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you=20
> had the=20
> same opportunity.
>=20
> Any suggestions regarding materials and technique regarding=20
> typical=20
> maintenance and restorative
> procedures are welcome as well, of course.
>=20
> In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck=20
> reinforcement,=20
> mast support, mast reconfiguration,
> and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder=20
> reinstallation... are=20
> of particular concern,
> as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to=20
> grief over=20
> a choice that could easily now be made
> that would have made a much more salutary difference in time to come.
>=20
> An additional note is that the standing rigging is what I assume=20
> was the=20
> original 'rod' rigging.
>=20
> M y primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.
>=20
> Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?
>=20
> Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?
>=20
> Please include intended consequences of any suggested alterations.
>=20
> Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists :-)
>=20
> In any case, no alterations have been yet made,...
>=20
> Appreciatively,
>=20
> Courtney Thomas
>=20
> --=20
> Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power,
> have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing
> government, and form a new one that suits them better,
> This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,
> which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.
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<DIV>The draft for the wing keel is identified in Sales Brocure on the Frer=
s 33 web site as 4' 11"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Frank<BR><BR>--- On <B>Fri, 8/19/11, Courtney Thomas <I><courtneyct=
homas@bellsouth.net></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsou=
th.net><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what c=
hanges would you make ?<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Friday=
, August 19, 2011, 3:25 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1795087548>Dave,<BR><BR>Thanks for the considered reply.<BR><B=
R>I fully understand the motives regarding caveats applicable to underbody =
and rig alteration and will heed.<BR><BR>My boat was described by the selle=
r as a wing keel, on which I've found no specifics. I'd like to know the dr=
aft<BR>with this keel and what others think of it vis-a-vis the standard fi=
n.<BR><BR>I'll plan on a multiply reefable main. Thanks for the suggestion.=
<BR><BR>What do you think of continuing the rod rigging ? To what other typ=
es of standing rigging have others chosen<BR>and with what results ?<BR><BR=
>Do you know where I can view a picture [or find the specs] of a properly d=
one "deck tie down" ?<BR><BR>Advantage of inboard shrouds is grateful=
ly noted.<BR><BR>I had planned on adding a bimini/dodger. Has no one satisf=
actorily added a bimini ?<BR><BR>Has no one done anything to the stock rudd=
er installation to render it less vulnerable
?<BR><BR>Gratefully,<BR><BR>Courtney<BR><BR>On 8/19/2011 1:06 PM, Dave Nau=
ber wrote:=20
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hi Courtne=
y,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
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<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">I have rea=
d the few other replies and thought I would put in my two cents. </SPAN></F=
ONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">As Joyce s=
ays, the Frers 33 is a well designed boat that is both beautiful and seawor=
thy. I would approach any structural modifications with caution, especially=
if they involve the sail plan or under water appendages. </SPAN></FONT></D=
IV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If you sho=
rten the keel to give access to more harbors, consider a bulb or some means=
of maintaining the righting moment. Shortening the rig would not likely be=
much of an advantage (unless you need to clear a fixed bridge) because it =
limits the sail area when you need/want it. You can always reef and use sma=
ller headsails when over powered, so I would recommend a mainsail with mult=
iple reef points. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Apparently=
not all boats have a deck tie-down (turnbuckle joining the front of the ma=
st to the deck inside the cabin) to keep the deck from flexing in breeze an=
d waves. I would install that if it=E2=80=99s not there.</SPAN></FONT></DIV=
>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">The advant=
age of the double-spreader rig is that the shrouds are further inboard at t=
he deck, allowing for a narrower sheeting angle. Changing this arrangement =
will compromise your upwind performance, so I wouldn=E2=80=99t modify it.</=
SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">If I were =
going to exclusively cruise the boat I would focus on optimizing for naviga=
tion, auto helm, refrigeration, add water holding capacity and installing a=
newer stove/oven. I would break down and add a sleek dodger and come up wi=
th a shade to be used at anchor that could be removed when underway. I thin=
k the boom is too low to do a bimini properly.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">That=E2=80=
=99s it for me. Anyone else have ideas or comments?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">BTW, you <=
I><SPAN style=3D"FONT-STYLE: italic">can</SPAN></I> beat a well sailed Frer=
s 36, especially in light air, but it=E2=80=99s not easy!</SPAN></FONT></DI=
V>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT color=3Dnavy size=3D2 face=3DArial>=
<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
AN></FONT></DIV>
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Regards,</=
SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt"> </SP=
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Dave Naube=
r</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Wolverine<=
/SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make =
?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Courtney:</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
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SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">I will let others speak to the class rules s=
pecifically. But suffice it to say that to significantly alter the bo=
at would make the frers a different boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right whe=
n he designed it. It was Boat of the Year at that time. By far, the sweetes=
t sailing Frers. This has nothing to do with being a purist-- it has =
to do with the design of the boat. </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">However, here is what I know:</SPAN></FONT><=
/DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">1. Running backs have been modified on some =
boats (placement of on deck varies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)<=
/SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">2. Keel has been slightly modified on some b=
oats. Wolverine has a slightly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence b=
etter downwind). Others, have the standard depth keel. Boats such as =
Impetuous, and Checkmate (which followed Impetuous' lead) faired the traili=
ng edge and therefore extended it to a fine edge. So you'll see slight vari=
ations. But these are all allowed within class rules.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></=
DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast=
. I heard of a Frers 41 owner LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pai=
n in the butt in light air vis a vis the backstay) and another lengthe=
ning the mast and keeping the boom. But these were entirely different boats=
.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">4. M ast Steps have been strengthened in nea=
rly every boat, over time. M ine was done by prior owner at New England Boa=
tworks.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">5. Rudder bearings have been changed in near=
ly every boat. For me, twice so far in 15 yrs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></D=
IV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">6. M ost rod rigging is replaced as it wears=
, but not reconfigured. In terms of other rigging, I've seen differen=
t mainsheet arrangements in terms of block purchase vs. fine tune, and most=
boats have installed the Harken traveller system.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV=
>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc=
, but not changed otherwise.</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3Dyiv1795087548MsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><=
SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> I presume you bought the Frers because=
you actually liked the boat?</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Joyce (Checkmate owner)</SPAN></FONT></DIV><=
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SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><BR>----- Original M essage -----<BR>From: C=
ourtney Thomas <BR>Date: M onday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm<BR>Subject: [frer=
s-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?<BR>To: <=
A class=3Dyiv1795087548moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=3D"http://us.mc811.mai=
l.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Dfrers-list@lists.frers33.com" rel=3Dnofollow ta=
rget=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com</A><BR><BR>> Ahoy !<BR>> <BR>> I am about to under=
take a complete refit of a Frers33 and would <BR>> appreciate all input =
regarding<BR>> changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage,=
if you <BR>> had the <BR>> same opportunity.<BR>> <BR>> Any su=
ggestions regarding materials and technique regarding <BR>> typical <BR>=
> maintenance and restorative<BR>> procedures are welcome as well, of
course.<BR>> <BR>> In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joi=
nt, deck <BR>> reinforcement, <BR>> mast support, mast reconfiguratio=
n,<BR>> and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder <BR>> rein=
stallation... are <BR>> of particular concern,<BR>> as I'd hate like =
hell to bear this expense and later come to <BR>> grief over <BR>> a =
choice that could easily now be made<BR>> that would have made a much mo=
re salutary difference in time to come.<BR>> <BR>> An additional note=
is that the standing rigging is what I assume <BR>> was the <BR>> or=
iginal 'rod' rigging.<BR>> <BR>> M y primary interest is not racing, =
rather cruising.<BR>> <BR>> Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered=
the original mast ?<BR>> <BR>> Has anyone gone outboard with the cha=
inplates ?<BR>> <BR>> Please include intended consequences of any sug=
gested alterations.<BR>> <BR>> Hoping to not cause a firestorm
from Frers purists :-)<BR>> <BR>> In any case, no alterations have b=
een yet made,...<BR>> <BR>> Appreciatively,<BR>> <BR>> Courtney=
Thomas<BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> Any people anywhere, being inclined an=
d having the power,<BR>> have the right to rise up, and shake off the ex=
isting<BR>> government, and form a new one that suits them better,<BR>&g=
t; This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right,<BR>> which w=
e hope and believe, is to liberate the world.<BR>> Abraham Lincoln<BR>&g=
t; <BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> frers-l=
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