[frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would you make ?

Courtney Thomas frers-list@lists.frers33.com
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Dave,

Thanks for your generous attention.

Looking for'd to seein' the picture.

I'll plan on sticking with the rod rigging.

Since my primary interest is cruising in the Caribbean, I've apparently 
happened on the keel that
would have been my preference anyway  :-)  though not realizing it to be 
an odd duck in the community.
On the other hand Frers and Carroll designed and built and installed it, 
so apparently they thought it
was at least OK.

I am a bit familiar with skeg hung rudders and they seem to me to be 
much better protected and was wondering what,
if anything, others might have done to render a Frers33's less 
vulnerable. But hopefully, my concerns are unwarranted.

Cordially,

Courtney



On 8/19/2011 7:53 PM, David Nauber wrote:
> Hi Courtney,
>
> I'll get a photo of my deck tie-down this weekend and send it to you, 
> but it's a pretty simple concept and I don't think it requires much 
> precision. You just want to join the deck and mast in a way that can 
> counter the load of the halyard turning blocks pulling up on the deck 
> as the rig loads up in breeze and waves. If the turning blocks are all 
> on the mast instead of the deck (not a typical arrangement) then you 
> wouldn't need this.
>
> I would stick with the rod rigging and just make sure it's inspected 
> annually to identify potential problems before they fail. We have only 
> replaced two turnbuckles so far (as they began to show stress cracks) 
> so it lasts a long time. I don't think there is a performance benefit 
> from alternatives worth pursuing and we race the boat fairly seriously.
>
> I've never seen a 33 with a wing keel, but I would expect its 
> performance to be compromised as Frank says compared to the fin keel. 
> If you cruise in shallow harbors it might be worth the tradeoff, but 
> if you're looking for better performance, this would be an expensive 
> but beneficial modification to consider.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean about rudder vulnerability. Rudder failure 
> has not been an issue with the design. but I might be misunderstanding 
> the question.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Nauber
> Wolverine
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net>
> *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 3:25 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes 
> would you make ?
>
> Dave,
>
> Thanks for the considered reply.
>
> I fully understand the motives regarding caveats applicable to 
> underbody and rig alteration and will heed.
>
> My boat was described by the seller as a wing keel, on which I've 
> found no specifics. I'd like to know the draft
> with this keel and what others think of it vis-a-vis the standard fin.
>
> I'll plan on a multiply reefable main. Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> What do you think of continuing the rod rigging ? To what other types 
> of standing rigging have others chosen
> and with what results ?
>
> Do you know where I can view a picture [or find the specs] of a 
> properly done "deck tie down"  ?
>
> Advantage of inboard shrouds is gratefully noted.
>
> I had planned on adding a bimini/dodger. Has no one satisfactorily 
> added a bimini ?
>
> Has no one done anything to the stock rudder installation to render it 
> less vulnerable ?
>
> Gratefully,
>
> Courtney
>
> On 8/19/2011 1:06 PM, Dave Nauber wrote:
>> Hi Courtney,
>> I have read the few other replies and thought I would put in my two 
>> cents.
>> As Joyce says, the Frers 33 is a well designed boat that is both 
>> beautiful and seaworthy. I would approach any structural 
>> modifications with caution, especially if they involve the sail plan 
>> or under water appendages.
>> If you shorten the keel to give access to more harbors, consider a 
>> bulb or some means of maintaining the righting moment. Shortening the 
>> rig would not likely be much of an advantage (unless you need to 
>> clear a fixed bridge) because it limits the sail area when you 
>> need/want it. You can always reef and use smaller headsails when over 
>> powered, so I would recommend a mainsail with multiple reef points.
>> Apparently not all boats have a deck tie-down (turnbuckle joining the 
>> front of the mast to the deck inside the cabin) to keep the deck from 
>> flexing in breeze and waves. I would install that if it’s not there.
>> The advantage of the double-spreader rig is that the shrouds are 
>> further inboard at the deck, allowing for a narrower sheeting angle. 
>> Changing this arrangement will compromise your upwind performance, so 
>> I wouldn’t modify it.
>> If I were going to exclusively cruise the boat I would focus on 
>> optimizing for navigation, auto helm, refrigeration, add water 
>> holding capacity and installing a newer stove/oven. I would break 
>> down and add a sleek dodger and come up with a shade to be used at 
>> anchor that could be removed when underway. I think the boom is too 
>> low to do a bimini properly.
>> That’s it for me. Anyone else have ideas or comments?
>> BTW, you /can/ beat a well sailed Frers 36, especially in light air, 
>> but it’s not easy!
>> Regards,
>> Dave Nauber
>> Wolverine
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:*frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com 
>> <mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> 
>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] *On Behalf Of * 
>> joberdorf@optonline.net <mailto:joberdorf@optonline.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:34 P M
>> *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com <mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes 
>> would you make ?
>> Courtney:
>> I will let others speak to the class rules specifically. But suffice 
>> it to say that  to significantly alter the boat would make the frers 
>> a different boat. Barry Carroll got a lot right when he designed it. 
>> It was Boat of the Year at that time. By far, the sweetest sailing 
>> Frers.  This has nothing to do with being a purist-- it has to do 
>> with the design of the boat.
>> However, here is what I know:
>> 1. Running backs have been modified on some boats (placement of on 
>> deck varies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)
>> 2. Keel has been slightly modified on some boats.  Wolverine has a 
>> slightly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence better downwind). 
>> Others, have the standard depth keel.  Boats such as Impetuous, and 
>> Checkmate (which followed Impetuous' lead) faired the trailing edge 
>> and therefore extended it to a fine edge. So you'll see slight 
>> variations. But these are all allowed within class rules.
>> 3. Never heard of anyone shortening the mast. I heard of a Frers 41 
>> owner LENGthening the boom (whichis a real pain in the butt in light 
>> air vis a vis the backstay) and another lengthening the mast and 
>> keeping the boom. But these were entirely different boats.
>> 4. M ast Steps have been strengthened in nearly every boat, over 
>> time. M ine was done by prior owner at New England Boatworks.
>> 5. Rudder bearings have been changed in nearly every boat.  For me, 
>> twice so far in 15 yrs.
>> 6. M ost rod rigging is replaced as it wears, but not reconfigured.  
>> In terms of other rigging, I've seen different mainsheet arrangements 
>> in terms of block purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have 
>> installed the Harken traveller system.
>> 7. Spinnaker poles are now carbon fiber, etc, but not changed otherwise.
>>  I presume you bought the Frers because you actually liked the boat?
>> Joyce (Checkmate owner)
>>
>> ----- Original M essage -----
>> From: Courtney Thomas
>> Date: M onday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm
>> Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes would 
>> you make ?
>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
>>
>> > Ahoy !
>> >
>> > I am about to undertake a complete refit of a Frers33 and would
>> > appreciate all input regarding
>> > changes you would make vis-a-vis the original assemblage, if you
>> > had the
>> > same opportunity.
>> >
>> > Any suggestions regarding materials and technique regarding
>> > typical
>> > maintenance and restorative
>> > procedures are welcome as well, of course.
>> >
>> > In particular... keel reattachment, hull deck joint, deck
>> > reinforcement,
>> > mast support, mast reconfiguration,
>> > and rigging, both standing and running, and rudder
>> > reinstallation... are
>> > of particular concern,
>> > as I'd hate like hell to bear this expense and later come to
>> > grief over
>> > a choice that could easily now be made
>> > that would have made a much more salutary difference in time to come.
>> >
>> > An additional note is that the standing rigging is what I assume
>> > was the
>> > original 'rod' rigging.
>> >
>> > M y primary interest is not racing, rather cruising.
>> >
>> > Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered the original mast ?
>> >
>> > Has anyone gone outboard with the chainplates ?
>> >
>> > Please include intended consequences of any suggested alterations.
>> >
>> > Hoping to not cause a firestorm from Frers purists :-)
>> >
>> > In any case, no alterations have been yet made,...
>> >
>> > Appreciatively,
>> >
>> > Courtney Thomas
>> >
>> > --
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    Dave,<br>
    <br>
    Thanks for your generous attention.<br>
    <br>
    Looking for'd to seein' the picture.<br>
    <br>
    I'll plan on sticking with the rod rigging.<br>
    <br>
    Since my primary interest is cruising in the Caribbean, I've
    apparently happened on the keel that <br>
    would have been my preference anyway  :-)  though not realizing it
    to be an odd duck in the community.<br>
    On the other hand Frers and Carroll designed and built and installed
    it, so apparently they thought it<br>
    was at least OK.<br>
    <br>
    I am a bit familiar with skeg hung rudders and they seem to me to be
    much better protected and was wondering what,<br>
    if anything, others might have done to render a Frers33's less
    vulnerable. But hopefully, my concerns are unwarranted.<br>
    <br>
    Cordially,<br>
    <br>
    Courtney<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    On 8/19/2011 7:53 PM, David Nauber wrote:
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        <div><span>Hi Courtney,</span></div>
        <div><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span>I'll get a photo of my deck tie-down this weekend and
            send it to you, but it's a pretty simple concept and I don't
            think it requires much precision. You just want to join the
            deck and mast in a way that can counter the load of the
            halyard turning blocks pulling up on the deck as the rig
            loads up in breeze and waves. If the turning blocks are all
            on the mast instead of the deck (not a typical arrangement)
            then you wouldn't need this.</span></div>
        <div><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span>I would stick with the rod rigging and just make sure
            it's inspected annually to identify potential problems
            before they fail. We have only replaced two turnbuckles so
            far (as they began to show stress cracks) so it lasts a long
            time. I don't think there is a performance benefit from
            alternatives worth pursuing and we race the boat fairly
            seriously.</span></div>
        <div><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span>I've never seen a 33 with a wing keel, but I would
            expect its performance to be compromised as Frank says
            compared to the fin keel. If you cruise in shallow harbors
            it might be worth the tradeoff, but if you're looking for
            better performance, this would be an expensive but
            beneficial modification to consider.</span></div>
        <div><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span>I'm not sure what you mean about rudder
            vulnerability. Rudder failure has not been an issue with the
            design. but I might be misunderstanding the question.</span></div>
        <div><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div><span>Good luck!</span></div>
        <div><span><br>
          </span></div>
        <div>Regards,</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Dave Nauber</div>
        <div>Wolverine</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'times new roman',
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              <hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
              Courtney Thomas <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net">&lt;courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net&gt;</a><br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
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              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
              Friday, August 19, 2011 3:25 PM<br>
              <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
              Re: [frers-list]complete refit soon underway, what changes
              would you make ?<br>
            </font><br>
            <div id="yiv92727026"> Dave,<br>
              <br>
              Thanks for the considered reply.<br>
              <br>
              I fully understand the motives regarding caveats
              applicable to underbody and rig alteration and will heed.<br>
              <br>
              My boat was described by the seller as a wing keel, on
              which I've found no specifics. I'd like to know the draft<br>
              with this keel and what others think of it vis-a-vis the
              standard fin.<br>
              <br>
              I'll plan on a multiply reefable main. Thanks for the
              suggestion.<br>
              <br>
              What do you think of continuing the rod rigging ? To what
              other types of standing rigging have others chosen<br>
              and with what results ?<br>
              <br>
              Do you know where I can view a picture [or find the specs]
              of a properly done "deck tie down"  ?<br>
              <br>
              Advantage of inboard shrouds is gratefully noted.<br>
              <br>
              I had planned on adding a bimini/dodger. Has no one
              satisfactorily added a bimini ?<br>
              <br>
              Has no one done anything to the stock rudder installation
              to render it less vulnerable ?<br>
              <br>
              Gratefully,<br>
              <br>
              Courtney<br>
              <br>
              On 8/19/2011 1:06 PM, Dave Nauber wrote:
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                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Hi
                        Courtney,</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">I have
                        read the few other replies and thought I would
                        put in my two cents. </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">  </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">As
                        Joyce says, the Frers 33 is a well designed boat
                        that is both beautiful and seaworthy. I would
                        approach any structural modifications with
                        caution, especially if they involve the sail
                        plan or under water appendages. </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">  </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">If you
                        shorten the keel to give access to more harbors,
                        consider a bulb or some means of maintaining the
                        righting moment. Shortening the rig would not
                        likely be much of an advantage (unless you need
                        to clear a fixed bridge) because it limits the
                        sail area when you need/want it. You can always
                        reef and use smaller headsails when over
                        powered, so I would recommend a mainsail with
                        multiple reef points. </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">  </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Apparently
                        not all boats have a deck tie-down (turnbuckle
                        joining the front of the mast to the deck inside
                        the cabin) to keep the deck from flexing in
                        breeze and waves. I would install that if it’s
                        not there.</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">  </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">The
                        advantage of the double-spreader rig is that the
                        shrouds are further inboard at the deck,
                        allowing for a narrower sheeting angle. Changing
                        this arrangement will compromise your upwind
                        performance, so I wouldn’t modify it.</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">  </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">If I
                        were going to exclusively cruise the boat I
                        would focus on optimizing for navigation, auto
                        helm, refrigeration, add water holding capacity
                        and installing a newer stove/oven. I would break
                        down and add a sleek dodger and come up with a
                        shade to be used at anchor that could be removed
                        when underway. I think the boom is too low to do
                        a bimini properly.</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">  </span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">That’s
                        it for me. Anyone else have ideas or comments?</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
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                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">BTW,
                        you <i><span style="font-style:italic;">can</span></i>
                        beat a well sailed Frers 36, especially in light
                        air, but it’s not easy!</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
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                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Regards,</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
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                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
                      face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size:
                        10pt; color: navy; font-family: Arial; ">Dave
                        Nauber</span></font></div>
                  <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font color="navy"
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">Courtney:</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">I will let others speak to
                          the class rules specifically. But suffice it
                          to say that  to significantly alter the boat
                          would make the frers a different boat. Barry
                          Carroll got a lot right when he designed it.
                          It was Boat of the Year at that time. By far,
                          the sweetest sailing Frers.  This has nothing
                          to do with being a purist-- it has to do with
                          the design of the boat. </span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">However, here is what I
                          know:</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">1. Running backs have been
                          modified on some boats (placement of on deck
                          varies, mostly between tiller and wheel boats)</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">2. Keel has been slightly
                          modified on some boats.  Wolverine has a
                          slightly shorter keel that's "thicker" (hence
                          better downwind). Others, have the standard
                          depth keel.  Boats such as Impetuous, and
                          Checkmate (which followed Impetuous' lead)
                          faired the trailing edge and therefore
                          extended it to a fine edge. So you'll see
                          slight variations. But these are all allowed
                          within class rules.</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">3. Never heard of anyone
                          shortening the mast. I heard of a Frers 41
                          owner LENGthening the boom (whichis a real
                          pain in the butt in light air vis a vis the
                          backstay) and another lengthening the mast and
                          keeping the boom. But these were entirely
                          different boats.</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">4. M ast Steps have been
                          strengthened in nearly every boat, over time.
                          M ine was done by prior owner at New England
                          Boatworks.</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">5. Rudder bearings have
                          been changed in nearly every boat.  For me,
                          twice so far in 15 yrs.</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">6. M ost rod rigging is
                          replaced as it wears, but not reconfigured. 
                          In terms of other rigging, I've seen different
                          mainsheet arrangements in terms of block
                          purchase vs. fine tune, and most boats have
                          installed the Harken traveller system.</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">7. Spinnaker poles are now
                          carbon fiber, etc, but not changed otherwise.</span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;"> I presume you bought the
                          Frers because you actually liked the boat?</span></font></div>
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                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;"> </span></font></div>
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                    <div class="yiv92727026MsoNormal"><font face="Times
                        New Roman" size="3"><span style="
                          font-size:12.0pt;">Joyce (Checkmate owner)</span></font></div>
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                          ----- Original M essage -----<br>
                          From: Courtney Thomas <br>
                          Date: M onday, August 15, 2011 4:15 pm<br>
                          Subject: [frers-list]complete refit soon
                          underway, what changes would you make ?<br>
                          To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" rel="nofollow"
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                          &gt; Ahoy !<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; I am about to undertake a complete refit
                          of a Frers33 and would <br>
                          &gt; appreciate all input regarding<br>
                          &gt; changes you would make vis-a-vis the
                          original assemblage, if you <br>
                          &gt; had the <br>
                          &gt; same opportunity.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Any suggestions regarding materials and
                          technique regarding <br>
                          &gt; typical <br>
                          &gt; maintenance and restorative<br>
                          &gt; procedures are welcome as well, of
                          course.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; In particular... keel reattachment, hull
                          deck joint, deck <br>
                          &gt; reinforcement, <br>
                          &gt; mast support, mast reconfiguration,<br>
                          &gt; and rigging, both standing and running,
                          and rudder <br>
                          &gt; reinstallation... are <br>
                          &gt; of particular concern,<br>
                          &gt; as I'd hate like hell to bear this
                          expense and later come to <br>
                          &gt; grief over <br>
                          &gt; a choice that could easily now be made<br>
                          &gt; that would have made a much more salutary
                          difference in time to come.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; An additional note is that the standing
                          rigging is what I assume <br>
                          &gt; was the <br>
                          &gt; original 'rod' rigging.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; M y primary interest is not racing,
                          rather cruising.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Has anyone shortened or otherwise altered
                          the original mast ?<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Has anyone gone outboard with the
                          chainplates ?<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Please include intended consequences of
                          any suggested alterations.<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Hoping to not cause a firestorm from
                          Frers purists :-)<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; In any case, no alterations have been yet
                          made,...<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Appreciatively,<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; Courtney Thomas<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt; -- <br>
                          &gt; Any people anywhere, being inclined and
                          having the power,<br>
                          &gt; have the right to rise up, and shake off
                          the existing<br>
                          &gt; government, and form a new one that suits
                          them better,<br>
                          &gt; This is a most valuable - a most sacred
                          right - a right,<br>
                          &gt; which we hope and believe, is to liberate
                          the world.<br>
                          &gt; Abraham Lincoln<br>
                          &gt; <br>
                          &gt;
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