[frers-list]Re: rudder delamination
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Keith,=20
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One thing I forgot to mention, you may already know this, is to make sure t=
hat whatever foam you use is that it is closed cell.=C2=A0=20
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You may actually find it easier to=C2=A0get some rigid foam, rough it out t=
o the shape in the void; =C2=A0Hot coat (with epoxy)=C2=A0 all areas you ar=
e working on, then=C2=A0apply some thicken epoxy (thicken with cabosil - Co=
lloidal Silica) to the area, then place in the foam.=20
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If you have any questions please feel free to give me a call at 781-635-739=
3, and I apologize if this is all information you already know.=20
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Regards,=20
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Thanks Ed=20
I had a feeling I'd have to make my own templates. Luckily only half the=20
rudder was affected.=20
Thanks for the help.=20
Keith=20
On 11/20/2011 12:42 AM, edputnam@comcast.net wrote:=20
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> Hi Keith,=20
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> The most common foam I've use for building rudders is Divinycell H-80=20
> which has a weight of 5lbs. =C2=A0We also use higher density foam such as=
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> a800 or a1200 which have a weight of 8 & 12lbs respectively for high=20
> performance rudders and or rudders which are highly loaded. =C2=A0My gues=
s=20
> is the lighter of the two would suffice for the Frers 33, as long as=20
> you can achieve a clean and well prepped bonding surfaces to the=20
> existing rudder skin, remaining foam and post.=20
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> If you have any cavities under the skin, where you have dug out the=20
> foam I would suggest drilling a small hole at the closed end of the=20
> cavity, so that when you pour the expanding foam into the void the=20
> resulting gas and air will have a place to escape.=20
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> If you can't find a template for the rudder, hopefully you still have=20
> one side of the rudder intact, and then you can scribe a=20
> template from the area opposite of the delamination. =C2=A0Another way=20
> would be to use a ships curve or batten to reshape/fair your rudder.=20
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> Hope this was helpful.=20
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> Regards,=20
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> Ed Putnam=20
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> I found some rudder delamination and opened it up to see what was going=
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> on and found a big void where the foam has rotted away. =C2=A0I am planni=
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> on filling the void with urethane foam, shaping it then re-glassing it.=
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> does anyone have a suggestion on what weight foam to use (8lb or 16lb)?=
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> Also does any know where to get templates for shaping the rudder?=20
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<p>Hi Keith,</p>=20
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<p>The most common foam=C2=A0I've use f=
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igh performance rudders and=20
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=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0existing rudder skin, remaining=C2=
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d opened it up to see what=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0was going <br>=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on and found a big void where the f=
oam has rotted away. =C2=A0I am=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0planning <br>=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0on filling the void with urethane f=
oam, shaping it then=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0re-glassing it. =C2=A0<br>=20
=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0does anyone have a suggestion on wh=
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div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'><P>Keith,=
</P>
<P> </P>
<P>One thing I forgot to mention, you may already know this, is to make sur=
e that whatever foam you use is that it is closed cell. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>You may actually find it easier to get some rigid foam, rough it ou=
t to the shape in the void; Hot coat (with epoxy) all areas you=
are working on, then apply some thicken epoxy (thicken with cabosil -=
Colloidal Silica) to the area, then place in the foam.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>If you have any questions please feel free to give me a call at 781-635-=
7393, and I apologize if this is all information you already know.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Regards,</P>
<P>Ed </P>
<P>
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<P><B>From: </B>frers-list-request@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>To: </B>frers-li=
st@lists.frers33.com<BR><B>Sent: </B>Monday, November 21, 2011 1:02:03 AM<B=
R><B>Subject: </B>frers-list digest, Vol 1 #510 - 1 msg<BR><BR>Send frers-l=
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R><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:31:26 -0500=
<BR>From: Keith Bradley &lt;kbradley@fairpoint.net><BR>To: frers-lis=
t@lists.frers33.com<BR>Subject: [frers-list]Re: frers-list digest, Vol 1 #5=
08 - 1 msg - Rudder Delamination<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<=
BR><BR>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.<BR>--------------080900=
030907020706030507<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3DUTF-8; format=3Df=
lowed<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit<BR><BR>Thanks Ed<BR><BR>I had a fe=
eling I'd have to make my own templates. Luckily only half the <BR>rudder w=
as affected.<BR><BR>Thanks for the help.<BR>Keith<BR><BR>On 11/20/2011 12:4=
2 AM, edputnam@comcast.net wrote:<BR>><BR>> Hi Keith,<BR>><BR>>=
The most common foam I've use for building rudders is Divinycell H-80 <BR>=
> which has a weight of 5lbs. We also use higher density foam such=
as <BR>> a800 or a1200 which have a weight of 8 & 12lbs respectivel=
y for high <BR>> performance rudders and or rudders which are highly loa=
ded. My guess <BR>> is the lighter of the two would suffice for th=
e Frers 33, as long as <BR>> you can achieve a clean and well prepped bo=
nding surfaces to the <BR>> existing rudder skin, remaining foam and pos=
t.<BR>><BR>> If you have any cavities under the skin, where you have =
dug out the <BR>> foam I would suggest drilling a small hole at the clos=
ed end of the <BR>> cavity, so that when you pour the expanding foam int=
o the void the <BR>> resulting gas and air will have a place to escape.<=
BR>><BR>> If you can't find a template for the rudder, hopefully you =
still have <BR>> one side of the rudder intact, and then you can scribe =
a <BR>> template from the area opposite of the delamination. Anoth=
er way <BR>> would be to use a ships curve or batten to reshape/fair you=
r rudder.<BR>><BR>> Hope this was helpful.<BR>><BR>> Regards,<B=
R>><BR>> Ed Putnam<BR>><BR>> ----------------------------------=
--------------------------------------<BR>><BR>> *From: *frers-list-r=
equest@lists.frers33.com<BR>> *To: *frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>>=
*Sent: *Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:02:01 AM<BR>> *Subject: *frers-li=
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t; Today's Topics:<BR>><BR>> 1. Rudder delamination (Kei=
th Bradley)<BR>><BR>> -- __--__-- <BR>><BR>> Message: 1<BR>>=
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:30:45 -0500<BR>> From: Keith Bradley &lt;=
kbradley@fairpoint.net><BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>>=
Subject: [frers-list]Rudder delamination<BR>> Reply-To: frers-list@list=
s.frers33.com<BR>><BR>> I found some rudder delamination and opened i=
t up to see what was going<BR>> on and found a big void where the foam h=
as rotted away. I am planning<BR>> on filling the void with uretha=
ne foam, shaping it then re-glassing it.<BR>> does anyone have a suggest=
ion on what weight foam to use (8lb or 16lb)?<BR>> Also does any know wh=
ere to get templates for shaping the rudder?<BR>><BR>> Thanks<BR>>=
Keith Bradley<BR>><BR>><BR>> -- __--__-- <BR>><BR>> _______=
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amp;lt;br><BR> I had a feeling I'd have to make my own=
templates. Luckily only half<BR> the rudder was affected=
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On 11/20/2011 12:42 AM, &lt;a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=
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p; &lt;p> &lt;/p><BR> &n=
bsp; &lt;p>The most common foam I've use for build=
ing rudders is<BR> Divinycell H-80 w=
hich has a weight of 5lbs. We also use<BR> &n=
bsp; higher density foam such as a800 or a1200 which have a we=
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st. &lt;/p><BR> &lt;p> &=
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any cavities under the skin, where you have dug<BR> &nbs=
p; out the foam I would suggest drilling a small hole at =
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&lt;p>If you can't find a templ=
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p;still have one side of the rudder intact, and then you can<BR>  =
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p; reshape/fair your rudder.&lt;/p><BR>&nbs=
p; &lt;p> &lt;/p><BR> &nb=
sp; &lt;p>Hope this was helpful.&lt;/p><B=
R> &lt;p> &lt;/p><BR>&nb=
sp; &lt;p>Regards,&lt;/p><BR> =
&lt;p>Ed Putnam&lt;br><BR> &n=
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