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Edgar,=20
I am on the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representing my clu=
b amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet during the o=
ff season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon altera=
tions to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a few ti=
ps I can provide to present to your local PHRF council.=20
First of all, supplying individual race results is the single most importan=
t thing you can do to support your case. Find out from the local council ju=
st how thay want that information presented. Our council has a excel spread=
sheet format, along with the Excel program that they will provide for appe=
llants.=20
Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the fleet skippe=
rs to present your case in person. The fact that you are "buttoned up" with=
numbers and appear in person=C2=A0is important.=20
Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy r protecting the fleet.=
Councils usually have a few boats that they have a lot of history on, and =
whose performance is a known factor. They use these boats to judge your per=
formance rating. In our council, one=C2=A0such boats is the J 35. Any time =
you get to compare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports your=
case, should be highlighted.=20
Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for your rating, partly =
because local councils don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings. Some=
times this reflects a parochial attitude about their council, and other tim=
es because=C2=A0there are significant differences between San Francisco as =
it is=C2=A0known as a high wind venue, and San=C2=A0Diego as a less windy. =
Long Island is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Another i=
ssue is comparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float highe=
r and therefore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater=C2=A0boats.=
=C2=A0Another thing you may want to research for the meeting is the ratings=
of similar boats under the IMS ratings. Although they don't like to admit =
it, the technical sub committee of the councils will often look at comparis=
ons of these ratings compared to similar boats (like the J 35) to determine=
if your rating appears to be in line.=20
Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By the way, my rating is 108=
, which was adjusted downward=C2=A0 before I purchased my boat, from a 114.=
=20
Your secret pal in the Midwest.=20
FW=20
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From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>=20
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0500=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
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The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next =3D=20
meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine =3D=20
review of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but =3D=
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the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile =
=3D=20
for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =3D=
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Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D=
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evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =
=3D=20
rating adjustment.=3D20=20
The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats =3D=
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in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D=
=20
the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D=
=20
I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D=
=20
doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds =
=3D=20
for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall =3D=
=20
standings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or =3D=
=20
more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other =3D=20
competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with an average =3D=
=20
finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and =3D=
=20
average finish of 57th.=3D20=20
I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D=
=20
two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for =
=3D=20
the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D=
=20
separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D=
=20
Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At =
=3D=20
first look, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D=
=20
nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D=
=20
were commensurate. =C2=A0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D=
=20
little tougher)=20
I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF =3D=20
ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =3D=20
from the fleet.=3D20=20
Edgar Smith=20
Pachyderm=3D=20
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The =3D=
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ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meeting =
=3D=20
on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of =3D=
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boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =
=3D=20
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the =3D=
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class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long =3D=
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Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D=
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evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =
=3D=20
rating adjustment. <div><br></div><div>The Frers 33 has do=
ne well =3D=20
in the results, but if you look at the boats in our division who raced =3D=
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more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well =3D=20
distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think this shows =
=3D=20
mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more races =3D=20
than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D=20
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =3D=20
boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, =3D=
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exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive =3D=20
boats with better averages such as the J-27 with an average finish =3D=
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52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with =3D=
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and average finish of 57th. </div><div><div><br></div>&=
lt;div>I'm also =3D=20
working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =3D=20
previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the =
=3D=20
Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of =3D=20
separating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 =3D=
=20
Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At =
=3D=20
first look, I think I can show that our performance against others in =3D=
=20
nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D=
=20
were commensurate. (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D=
=20
little tougher)</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>I'd=
like to collect =3D=20
other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other regions =
=3D=20
and any other ideas for presenting our case from the =3D=20
fleet. </div><div><br><div><div>=20
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Message: 2=20
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)=20
From: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
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Edgar,=20
=3DA0=20
PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult ratin=
=3D=20
g to sail to.=3DA0 I do okay but we sail the=3DA0heck out of that boat and =
the =3D=20
crew work is impeccable.=20
=3DA0=3D20=20
=3DA0=20
Thanks,=20
Frank Albert=20
RELENTLESS=20
--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote=
:=20
From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>=20
Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=20
The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meetin=
=3D=20
g on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of boa=
=3D=20
ts/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can s=
=3D=20
ometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3DA=
0I=3D=20
=C2=A0believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Soun=
d at =3D=20
108/129 and=3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support th=
is=3D=20
=C2=A0and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3D=
A0=3D20=20
The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in =
=3D=20
our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Fr=
=3D=20
ers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3DA0I thi=
nk=3D=20
=C2=A0this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing =
more =3D=20
races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =
=3D=20
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
=3D=20
in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=
=3D=20
n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=
=3D=20
er averages such as the=3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3DA0the Tripp=
36 =3D=20
average finish 55th,=3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=
=3DA0=20
I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two =
=3D=20
previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Br=
=3D=20
anford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separating=
=3D=20
=C2=A0out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =
the F=3D=20
rers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=
=3D=20
hink I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in e=
=3D=20
ach boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =3DA=
0(=3D=20
In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)=20
I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings=
=3D=20
=C2=A0in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=
flee=3D=20
t.=3DA0=20
Edgar Smith=20
Pachyderm=20
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<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
lt =3D=20
rating to sail to. I do okay but we sail the heck out of that bo=
=3D=20
at and the crew work is impeccable.</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>=20
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>=20
<DIV>RELENTLESS<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith <=
;I><edgar@ge=3D=20
omatrixproductions.com></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>=20
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com><BR>Subject: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating<=
BR>To: frers=3D=20
-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM<=
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<DIV>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=
t m=3D=20
eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=
=3D=20
f boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =
=3D=20
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=
=3D=20
. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=
=3D=20
ound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=
=3D=20
upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=
=3D=20
nt. =3D20=20
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<DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
oat=3D=20
s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=
=3D=20
he Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =
=3D=20
;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=
=3D=20
ng more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=
=3D=20
he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
=3D=20
s boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=
=3D=20
xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats w=
=3D=20
ith better averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, =
=3D=20
;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=
=3D=20
nish of 57th. </DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>=20
<DIV>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =
the=3D=20
=C2=A0two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results =
for t=3D=20
he Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separ=
=3D=20
ating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =
=3D=20
the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look=
=3D=20
, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=
=3D=20
=C2=A0in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensu=
rate.=3D=20
=C2=A0 (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&=
lt;/DIV>=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=
ra=3D=20
tings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=
=3D=20
=C2=A0fleet. </DIV>=20
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From: William Thompson <foredeck@videotron.ca>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:32 -0500=20
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
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I race at 114 in Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making =
an additional 180 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley =
Yacht Racing Assoc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 the=
y would have assigned unmodified.=20
William Thompson=20
Sent from my iPad=20
On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:=
=20
>=20
> Edgar,=20
> =C2=A0=20
> PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult rat=
ing to sail to. =C2=A0I do okay but we sail the heck out of that boat and t=
he crew work is impeccable.=20
> =C2=A0=20
> =C2=A0=20
> Thanks,=20
> Frank Albert=20
> RELENTLESS=20
>=20
> --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com> wro=
te:=20
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> From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>=20
> Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com=20
> Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=20
>=20
> The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meet=
ing on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of b=
oats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can=
sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class. I=
believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at =
108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support this a=
nd insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=20
>=20
> The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats i=
n our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the =
Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think=
this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more =
races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =
overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =
in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=
n the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=
er averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 aver=
age finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 57th.=20
>=20
> I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the tw=
o previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the =
Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separati=
ng out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the=
Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I=
think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in=
each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =
=C2=A0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)=20
>=20
> I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratin=
gs in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fl=
eet.=20
>=20
> Edgar Smith=20
> Pachyderm=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html=
; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I race at 114 in=
Montreal, with a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 18=
0 lb over the original keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Ass=
oc. said they were giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have ass=
igned unmodified.<br><br>William Thompson<div>Sent from my iPad<=
;/div></div><div><br>On 2012-11-20, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:fxalbert@prodigy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net</a>>=
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><tabl=
e cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td =
valign=3D"top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><div>Edgar,</div>=20
<div> </div>=20
<div>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
lt rating to sail to. I do okay but we sail the heck out of that=
boat and the crew work is impeccable.</div>=20
<div> </div>=20
<div> </div>=20
<div>Thanks,</div>=20
<div>Frank Albert</div>=20
<div>RELENTLESS<br><br>--- On <b>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith <=
;i><<a href=3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrix=
productions.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>=20
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Edgar Smith <<a href=3D"mailto:=
edgar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrixproductions.com</a>>&l=
t;br>Subject: [<span>frers</span>-list]ECSA class rating<br>To: &l=
t;a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</a><br>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM<br><br>=20
<div id=3D"yiv249185265">=20
<div>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=
t meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine revie=
w of boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the revi=
ew can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the cl=
ass. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Islan=
d Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence t=
o support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjus=
tment. =20
<div><br></div>=20
<div>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
oats in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats=
) the Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&n=
bsp;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and =
doing more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds fo=
r the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall stand=
ings boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races=
, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boat=
s with better averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&n=
bsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average=
finish of 57th. </div>=20
<div>=20
<div><br></div>=20
<div>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =
the two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results fo=
r the Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of se=
parating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac =
vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first l=
ook, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 ra=
ces in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensura=
te. (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)<=
;/div>=20
<div><br></div>=20
<div>=20
<div>=20
<div>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=
ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from =
the fleet. </div>=20
<div><br>=20
<div>=20
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e-span">=20
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al; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px=
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-style-span">=20
<div style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word"><font class=3D"yiv249185265Apple=
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<div>Edgar Smith</div>=20
<div>Pachyderm</div></font></div></span></div></span>&=
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)=20
From: Scott Marino <scottamarino@yahoo.com>=20
Subject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=20
To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" <frers-list@lists.frers33.com>=20
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Don't sail here, it's worse...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A_________________________=
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=3D0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT <fxalbert@prodigy.net>=3D0ATo: frers-list@list=
s.frers=3D=20
33.com =3D0ASent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:15 PM=3D0ASubject: Re: [frer=
s-li=3D=20
st]ECSA class rating=3D0A=3D0AEdgar,=3D0A=3D0APHRF of the Chesapeake rates =
the Frer=3D=20
s 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.=3DA0 I do okay but we s=
ai=3D=20
l the=3DA0heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D0A=3DA0 =
=3D0A=3D0A=3D=20
Thanks,=3D0AFrank Albert=3D0ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &l=
t;edgar=3D=20
@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:=3D0A=3D0A>From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geo=
matrixp=3D=20
roductions.com>=3D0A>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D0A>To: frers-=
list=3D=20
@lists.frers33.com=3D0A>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D0A>=3D=
0A>=3D0A=3D=20
>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their next meeti=
=3D=20
ng on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of bo=
=3D=20
ats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review can =
=3D=20
sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3D=
A0=3D=20
I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at=
=3D=20
=C2=A0108/129 and=3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to supp=
ort thi=3D=20
s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3DA0 =
=3D0A=3D=20
>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in=
=3D=20
=C2=A0our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) =
the F=3D=20
rers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3DA0I th=
in=3D=20
k this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more=
=3D=20
=C2=A0races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the=
ECSA=3D=20
=C2=A0overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =
boats=3D=20
=C2=A0in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exa=
ctly =3D=20
in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bet=
=3D=20
ter averages such as the=3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3DA0the Trip=
p 36=3D=20
=C2=A0average finish 55th,=3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish of 5=
7th.=3DA0=3D=20
=3D0A>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. th=
e =3D=20
two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for th=
=3D=20
e Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separa=
=3D=20
ting out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=
=3D=20
he Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look,=
=3D=20
=C2=A0I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 r=
aces =3D=20
in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =
=3D=20
=3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)=3D0A>I'=
d li=3D=20
ke to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in ot=
=3D=20
her regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet.=3DA=
0=3D=20
=3D0A>Edgar Smith=3D0A>Pachyderm=20
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lt;SPAN style=3D=20
=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> frers-list@lists.frers33.com =
<BR><B><=3D=20
SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, November=
20, 201=3D=20
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<DIV id=3D3Dyiv989608804>=20
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<DIV>Edgar,</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficu=
lt =3D=20
rating to sail to. I do okay but we sail the heck out of that bo=
=3D=20
at and the crew work is impeccable.</DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV> </DIV>=20
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>=20
<DIV>Frank Albert</DIV>=20
<DIV>RELENTLESS<WBR><WBR>--- On <B>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &=
lt;I><edgar@=3D=20
geomatrixproductions.com></I></B> wrote:<WBR></DIV>=20
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LE=
FT: 5=3D=20
px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Edgar Smith <edgar@geomatrixproductio=
ns.=3D=20
com><BR>Subject: [<SPAN>frers</SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating<=
BR>To: frers=3D=20
-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM<=
;BR><B=3D=20
R>=20
<DIV id=3D3Dyiv989608804>=20
<DIV>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at their nex=
t m=3D=20
eeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=
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f boats/classes that have done well in the previous season, but the review =
=3D=20
can sometimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=
=3D=20
. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island S=
=3D=20
ound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to s=
=3D=20
upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustme=
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nt. =3D20=20
<DIV><WBR></DIV>=20
<DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the b=
oat=3D=20
s in our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=
=3D=20
he Frers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =
=3D=20
;I think this shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=
=3D=20
ng more races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=
=3D=20
he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
=3D=20
s boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, e=
=3D=20
xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats w=
=3D=20
ith better averages such as the J-27 with an average finish 52nd, =
=3D=20
;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=
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nish of 57th. </DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV><WBR></DIV>=20
<DIV>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. =
the=3D=20
=C2=A0two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results =
for t=3D=20
he Branford summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separ=
=3D=20
ating out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =
=3D=20
the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look=
=3D=20
, I think I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=
=3D=20
=C2=A0in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensu=
rate.=3D=20
=C2=A0 (In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&=
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<DIV><WBR></DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>=20
<DIV>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF=
ra=3D=20
tings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=
=3D=20
=C2=A0fleet. </DIV>=20
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</P>
<P> </P>
<P>I am on the local PHRF council, which shall go unnamed, representing my =
club amongst the many in our local race venues. We routinely meet during th=
e off season to assign handicaps to new boats, re-rate boats based upon alt=
erations to rigs and sails, and hear appeals of ratings. So there are a few=
tips I can provide to present to your local PHRF council. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>First of all, supplying individual race results is the single most impor=
tant thing you can do to support your case. Find out from the local council=
just how thay want that information presented. Our council has a excel spr=
ead sheet format, along with the Excel program that they will provide for a=
ppellants. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Second, If they will let you attend, try to bring a few of the fleet ski=
ppers to present your case in person. The fact that you are "buttoned up" w=
ith numbers and appear in person is important. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Third, realize that most councils have a philosophy r protecting the fle=
et. Councils usually have a few boats that they have a lot of history on, a=
nd whose performance is a known factor. They use these boats to judge your =
performance rating. In our council, one such boats is the J 35. Any ti=
me you get to compare your results against the J 35, assuming it supports y=
our case, should be highlighted. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Fourth, Try not to use other venues as a rationale for your rating, part=
ly because local councils don't like comparing or averaging PHRF ratings. S=
ometimes this reflects a parochial attitude about their council, and other =
times because there are significant differences between San Francisco =
as it is known as a high wind venue, and San Diego as a less wind=
y. Long Island is known-at least in my council-as a light wind area. Anothe=
r issue is comparing salt water ratings vs fresh water. Your boats float hi=
gher and therefore have somewhat less wetted area than freshwater boat=
s. Another thing you may want to research for the meeting is the ratin=
gs of similar boats under the IMS ratings. Although they don't like to admi=
t it, the technical sub committee of the councils will often look at compar=
isons of these ratings compared to similar boats (like the J 35) to determi=
ne if your rating appears to be in line. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Let me know if I can be of further assistance. By the way, my rating is =
108, which was adjusted downward before I purchased my boat, from a 1=
14.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Your secret pal in the Midwest.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>FW</P>
<P> </P>
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rers-list digest..."<BR><BR><BR>Today's Topics:<BR><BR> 1. ECSA=
class rating (Edgar Smith)<BR> 2. Re: ECSA class rating (FRANC=
IS ALBERT)<BR> 3. Re: ECSA class rating (William Thompson)<BR>&=
nbsp; 4. Re: ECSA class rating (Scott Marino)<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><B=
R>Message: 1<BR>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com>=
;<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 11:10:47 -0500<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.=
com<BR>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists=
.frers33.com<BR><BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-2--688990298<BR>Content-Transfer-Encod=
ing: quoted-printable<BR>Content-Type: text/plain;<BR> &nb=
sp; charset=3Dus-ascii<BR><BR>The ECSA is reviewing =
the ratings of a number of boats at their next =3D<BR>meeting on January 22=
, 2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine =3D<BR>review of boats/class=
es that have done well in the previous season, but =3D<BR>the review can so=
metimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile =3D<BR>for the clas=
s. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern =3D<BR>Long Islan=
d Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to present =3D<BR>evidence=
to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative =3D<BR>rat=
ing adjustment.=3D20<BR><BR>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but =
if you look at the boats =3D<BR>in our division who raced more than 2 or mo=
re races in 2011, (21 boats) =3D<BR>the Frers 33s are well distributed acro=
ss the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. =3D<BR>I think this shows mainly that ther=
e are far more Frers 33s racing and =3D<BR>doing more races than any other =
boat type in Div 1. The same story holds =3D<BR>for the ECSA overall result=
s at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall =3D<BR>standings boats in the =
class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or =3D<BR>more races, exactly i=
n the 50th percentile. This compares with other =3D<BR>competitive boats wi=
th better averages such as the J-27 with an average =3D<BR>finish 52nd, the=
Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 with and =3D<BR>average fini=
sh of 57th.=3D20<BR><BR>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races i=
n Pachyderm vs. the =3D<BR>two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using =
the recorded results for =3D<BR>the Branford summer series. I think this sh=
ould be an objective way of =3D<BR>separating out all other factors to comp=
are the ratings of the the J-29 =3D<BR>Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fract=
ional rating is not under review. At =3D<BR>first look, I think I can show =
that our performance against others in =3D<BR>nearly 30 races in each boat =
remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings =3D<BR>were commensurate. =
(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D<BR>little tougher)<BR><B=
R>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF =3D<B=
R>ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our case =3D<=
BR>from the fleet.=3D20<BR><BR>Edgar Smith<BR>Pachyderm=3D<BR><BR>--Apple-M=
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;body style=3D3D"word-wrap: break-word; =3D<BR>-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -w=
ebkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The =3D<BR>ECSA is reviewing the =
ratings of a number of boats at their next meeting =3D<BR>on January 22, 20=
13. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of =3D<BR>boats/classes t=
hat have done well in the previous season, but the review =3D<BR>can someti=
mes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the =3D<BR>class.&a=
mp;nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long =3D<BR>=
Island Sound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present =
=3D<BR>evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted nega=
tive =3D<BR>rating adjustment.&nbsp;&lt;div>&lt;br>&l=
t;/div>&lt;div>The Frers 33 has done well =3D<BR>in the results, =
but if you look at the boats in our division who raced =3D<BR>more than 2 o=
r more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well =3D<BR>distributed =
across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp;I think this shows =3D<BR>mai=
nly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more races =3D<BR>th=
an any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D<BR>o=
verall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings =3D<BR>=
boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, =3D=
<BR>exactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive =
=3D<BR>boats with better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an average=
finish =3D<BR>52nd,&nbsp;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;th=
e Evelyn 32-2 with =3D<BR>and average finish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/div=
>&lt;div>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;div=
>I'm also =3D<BR>working on a graph of two years of races in Pachyderm v=
s. the two =3D<BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded =
results for the =3D<BR>Branford summer series. I think this should be an ob=
jective way of =3D<BR>separating out all other factors to compare the ratin=
gs of the the J-29 =3D<BR>Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating =
is not under review. At =3D<BR>first look, I think I can show that our perf=
ormance against others in =3D<BR>nearly 30 races in each boat remained unch=
anged, suggesting the ratings =3D<BR>were commensurate. &nbsp;(In fact,=
if anything the Frers 33 rating is a =3D<BR>little tougher)&lt;/div>=
;&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;div>=
;&lt;div>I'd like to collect =3D<BR>other supporting data such as IR=
C ratings, PHRF ratings in other regions =3D<BR>and any other ideas for pre=
senting our case from the =3D<BR>fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/div>&lt;di=
v>&lt;br>&lt;div>&lt;div><BR>&lt;span class=3D3=
D"Apple-style-span" style=3D3D"border-collapse: separate; =3D<BR>color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-family: Verdana; font-style: normal; =3D<BR>font-variant: n=
ormal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =3D<BR>line-height: nor=
mal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: =3D<BR>0px; text-tr=
ansform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =3D<BR>0px; -w=
ebkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; =3D<BR>-webkit-border-vertical-spacin=
g: 0px; =3D<BR>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-=
adjust: =3D<BR>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "&g=
t;&lt;span =3D<BR>class=3D3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D3D"border-collap=
se: separate; color: =3D<BR>rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spac=
ing: normal; line-height: =3D<BR>normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text=
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cing: 0px; =3D<BR>-webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-si=
ze-adjust: =3D<BR>auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; ">&lt;div st=
yle=3D3D"word-wrap: =3D<BR>break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-li=
ne-break: =3D<BR>after-white-space; ">&lt;span class=3D3D"Apple-styl=
e-span" =3D<BR>style=3D3D"border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); f=
ont-variant: =3D<BR>normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; or=
phans: 2; =3D<BR>text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: norma=
l; widows: 2; =3D<BR>word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: =
0px; =3D<BR>-webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; =3D<BR>-webkit-text-decor=
ations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =3D<BR>auto; -webkit-text=
-stroke-width: 0px; ">&lt;div style=3D3D"word-wrap: =3D<BR>break-wor=
d; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =3D<BR>after-white-space; =
">&lt;font class=3D3D"Apple-style-span" =3D<BR>face=3D3D"Arial">&=
amp;lt;div>Edgar =3D<BR>Smith&lt;/div>&lt;div>Pachyderm&am=
p;lt;/div>&lt;/font>&lt;/div>&lt;/span>&lt;/div=
>&lt;/span>&lt;/span>&lt;/d=3D<BR>iv>&lt;/div&g=
t;&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/=
body>&lt;/html>=3D<BR><BR>--Apple-Mail-2--688990298--<BR><BR><BR>=
--__--__--<BR><BR>Message: 2<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:15:20 -0800 (PST)=
<BR>From: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net><BR>Subject: Re: [=
frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Reply-T=
o: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=
=3D:24309<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Tran=
sfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Edgar,<BR>=3DA0<BR>PHRF of the Chesa=
peake rates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult ratin=3D<BR>g to sail =
to.=3DA0 I do okay but we sail the=3DA0heck out of that boat and the =3D<BR=
>crew work is impeccable.<BR>=3DA0=3D20<BR>=3DA0<BR>Thanks,<BR>Frank Albert=
<BR>RELENTLESS<BR><BR>--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geoma=
trixproductions.com> wrote:<BR><BR><BR>From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@g=
eomatrixproductions.com><BR>Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>To=
: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 A=
M<BR><BR><BR><BR>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of boats at =
their next meetin=3D<BR>g on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this is a fair=
ly routine review of boa=3D<BR>ts/classes that have done well in the previo=
us season, but the review can s=3D<BR>ometimes result in an adjustment of u=
p to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3DA0I=3D<BR> believe that the Frers=
33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at =3D<BR>108/129 and=3DA0=
plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support this=3D<BR> a=
nd insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3DA0=3D20=
<BR><BR><BR>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look at t=
he boats in =3D<BR>our division who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011=
, (21 boats) the Fr=3D<BR>ers 33s are well distributed across the group 1, =
2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3DA0I think=3D<BR> this shows mainly that there are f=
ar more Frers 33s racing and doing more =3D<BR>races than any other boat ty=
pe in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA =3D<BR>overall results at 2,=
18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats =3D<BR>in the class a=
verage 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly i=3D<BR>n the 5=
0th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with bett=3D<BR>=
er averages such as the=3DA0J-27 with an average finish 52nd,=3DA0the Tripp=
36 =3D<BR>average finish 55th,=3DA0the Evelyn 32-2 with and average finish=
of 57th.=3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR>I'm also working on a graph of two years of r=
aces in Pachyderm vs. the two =3D<BR>previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi =
using the recorded results for the Br=3D<BR>anford summer series. I think t=
his should be an objective way of separating=3D<BR> out all other fact=
ors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the F=3D<BR>rers 33. The=
J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first look, I t=3D<BR>hink =
I can show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races in e=3D<B=
R>ach boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. =
=3DA0(=3D<BR>In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)<=
BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC ra=
tings, PHRF ratings=3D<BR> in other regions and any other ideas for pr=
esenting our case from the flee=3D<BR>t.=3DA0<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Ed=
gar Smith<BR>Pachyderm<BR>---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D:24309<BR>Co=
ntent-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: q=
uoted-printable<BR><BR>&lt;table cellspacing=3D3D"0" cellpadding=3D3D"0=
" border=3D3D"0" >&lt;tr>&lt;td valign=3D3D"=3D<BR>top" style=
=3D3D"font: inherit;">&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;D=
IV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake r=
ates the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult =3D<BR>rating to sail to.&=
;nbsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;heck out of that bo=3D<BR>at and =
the crew work is impeccable.&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp; &=
amp;lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV=
>Thanks,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;/DIV><=
BR>&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt;BR>&lt;BR>--- On &lt;B>=
;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;I>&lt;edgar@ge=3D<BR>omatrixprod=
uctions.com&gt;&lt;/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;BR>&lt=
;/DIV><BR>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px =
solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: E=
dgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.=3D<BR>com&gt;&lt;BR&=
gt;Subject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating&=
amp;lt;BR>To: frers=3D<BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Tue=
sday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt;BR>&lt;B=3D<BR>R><BR>&am=
p;lt;DIV id=3D3Dyiv249185265><BR>&lt;DIV>The ECSA is reviewing th=
e ratings of a number of boats at their next m=3D<BR>eeting on January 22, =
2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=3D<BR>f boats/classes=
that have done well in the previous season, but the review =3D<BR>can some=
times result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=3D<BR>.=
&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Islan=
d S=3D<BR>ound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present=
evidence to s=3D<BR>upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted neg=
ative rating adjustme=3D<BR>nt.&nbsp;=3D20<BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR=
>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the re=
sults, but if you look at the boat=3D<BR>s in our division who raced more t=
han 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=3D<BR>he Frers 33s are well distr=
ibuted across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp=3D<BR>;I think this sh=
ows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=3D<BR>ng more r=
aces than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=3D<BR>he=
ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
=3D<BR>s boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more r=
aces, e=3D<BR>xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other compe=
titive boats w=3D<BR>ith better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an =
average finish 52nd,&nbsp=3D<BR>;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&=
nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=3D<BR>nish of 57th.&nbsp;&=
lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR>&lt;/DIV=
><BR>&lt;DIV>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races in=
Pachyderm vs. the=3D<BR> two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi us=
ing the recorded results for t=3D<BR>he Branford summer series. I think thi=
s should be an objective way of separ=3D<BR>ating out all other factors to =
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =3D<BR>the Frers 33. The J-29 f=
ractional rating is not under review. At first look=3D<BR>, I think I can s=
how that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=3D<BR> in e=
ach boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate.=3D<B=
R> &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little tou=
gher)&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&=
amp;lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I'd like to collect oth=
er supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ra=3D<BR>tings in other region=
s and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=3D<BR> fleet.&a=
mp;nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;BR><BR>&lt;DIV>=
;<BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none=
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pan><BR>&lt;DIV style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;SPAN st=
yle=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WI=3D<BR>DOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-=
VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORD=3D<BR>ER-COLLAPSE: separate; WHITE-=
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amp;lt;DIV style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;FONT class=3D3Dyiv2=
49185265Apple-style-=3D<BR>span face=3D3DArial><BR>&lt;DIV>Edgar =
Smith&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Pachyderm&lt;/DIV>&lt;/F=
ONT>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&a=
mp;lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/D=3D<BR>IV>&=
lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>=
&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE>&lt;/td>&lt;/tr>&lt;/table><BR>=
---643335624-2068849514-1353449720=3D:24309--<BR><BR>--__--__--<BR><BR>Mess=
age: 3<BR>Cc: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frers=
33.com><BR>From: William Thompson &lt;foredeck@videotron.ca><BR>S=
ubject: Re: [frers-list]ECSA class rating<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:31:3=
2 -0500<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-list@lists.frer=
s33.com><BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR><BR>--Boundary=
_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9DkzQ)<BR>Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCI=
I<BR>Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT<BR><BR>I race at 114 in Montreal, with=
a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 180 lb over the o=
riginal keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. said they w=
ere giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assigned unmodifie=
d.<BR><BR>William Thompson<BR>Sent from my iPad<BR><BR>On 2012-11-20, at 5:=
15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net> wrote:<BR><BR>> <=
BR>> Edgar,<BR>> <BR>> PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frer=
s 33 at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to. I do okay but we =
sail the heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.<BR>> &nb=
sp;<BR>> <BR>> Thanks,<BR>> Frank Albert<BR>> RELENTLESS<=
BR>> <BR>> --- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixp=
roductions.com> wrote:<BR>> <BR>> From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@=
geomatrixproductions.com><BR>> Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=
<BR>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR>> Date: Tuesday, November 2=
0, 2012, 11:10 AM<BR>> <BR>> The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a n=
umber of boats at their next meeting on January 22, 2013. I'm told that thi=
s is a fairly routine review of boats/classes that have done well in the pr=
evious season, but the review can sometimes result in an adjustment of up t=
o 3 seconds/mile for the class. I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated=
in Eastern Long Island Sound at 108/129 and plan to go to the meeting to p=
resent evidence to support this and insure we don't get an unwarranted nega=
tive rating adjustment. <BR>> <BR>> The Frers 33 has done well in the=
results, but if you look at the boats in our division who raced more than =
2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s are well distributed acro=
ss the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21. I think this shows mainly that there are f=
ar more Frers 33s racing and doing more races than any other boat type in D=
iv 1. The same story holds for the ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 7=
5, 108, 116. In overall standings boats in the class average 58th among 116=
boats racing 2 or more races, exactly in the 50th percentile. This compare=
s with other competitive boats with better averages such as the J-27 with a=
n average finish 52nd, the Tripp 36 average finish 55th, the Evelyn 32-2 wi=
th and average finish of 57th. <BR>> <BR>> I'm also working on a grap=
h of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two previous two years in our =
J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Branford summer series. I th=
ink this should be an objective way of separating out all other factors to =
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fraction=
al rating is not under review. At first look, I think I can show that our p=
erformance against others in nearly 30 races in each boat remained unchange=
d, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. (In fact, if anything th=
e Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)<BR>> <BR>> I'd like to collect=
other supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in other regions a=
nd any other ideas for presenting our case from the fleet. <BR>> <BR>>=
; Edgar Smith<BR>> Pachyderm<BR><BR>--Boundary_(ID_tR3sjQBV9Wic6t0+R9Dkz=
Q)<BR>Content-type: text/html; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCII<BR>Content-transfer-encod=
ing: 7BIT<BR><BR>&lt;html>&lt;head>&lt;meta http-equiv=3D=
"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">&lt;/head>&=
amp;lt;body dir=3D"auto">&lt;div>I race at 114 in Montreal, with =
a keel shortened to 5'8" and a bulb making an additional 180 lb over the or=
iginal keel weight. The St Lawrence Valley Yacht Racing Assoc. said they we=
re giving me 3 sec. a mile over the 111 they would have assigned unmodified=
.&lt;br>&lt;br>William Thompson&lt;div>Sent from my iP=
ad&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;div>&lt;br>On 2012-11-2=
0, at 5:15 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;&lt;a href=3D"mailto:fxalbert@pro=
digy.net">fxalbert@prodigy.net&lt;/a>&gt; wrote:&lt;br>=
;&lt;br>&lt;/div>&lt;blockquote type=3D"cite">&lt;=
div>&lt;table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0">&a=
mp;lt;tbody>&lt;tr>&lt;td valign=3D"top" style=3D"font: inher=
it;">&lt;div>Edgar,&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&nbsp;&=
amp;lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>PHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frers 33=
at 114 which is a difficult rating to sail to.&nbsp; I do okay but we =
sail the&nbsp;heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.&am=
p;lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&nbsp; &lt;/div><BR>&lt;div&=
gt;&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>Thanks,&lt;/div><BR>=
&lt;div>Frank Albert&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>RELENTLESS&am=
p;lt;br>&lt;br>--- On &lt;b>Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &am=
p;lt;i>&lt;&lt;a href=3D"mailto:edgar@geomatrixproductions.com"&=
gt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&lt;/a>&gt;&lt;/i>&l=
t;/b> wrote:&lt;br>&lt;/div><BR>&lt;blockquote style=
=3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: =
5px">&lt;br>From: Edgar Smith &lt;&lt;a href=3D"mailto:ed=
gar@geomatrixproductions.com">edgar@geomatrixproductions.com&lt;/a&g=
t;&gt;&lt;br>Subject: [&lt;span>frers&lt;/span>-li=
st]ECSA class rating&lt;br>To: &lt;a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@l=
ists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;/a>&lt;br&g=
t;Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt;br>&lt;br><BR=
>&lt;div id=3D"yiv249185265"><BR>&lt;div>The ECSA is reviewin=
g the ratings of a number of boats at their next meeting on January 22, 201=
3. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review of boats/classes that have=
done well in the previous season, but the review can sometimes result in a=
n adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.&nbsp;I believe that=
the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at 108/129 and&a=
mp;nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support this and i=
nsure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.&nbsp; <BR=
>&lt;div>&lt;br>&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>The Frers =
33 has done well in the results, but if you look at the boats in our divisi=
on who raced more than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) the Frers 33s ar=
e well distributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp;I think th=
is shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doing more rac=
es than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA ove=
rall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats in =
the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exactly in t=
he 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boats with better =
averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an average finish 52nd,&nbsp;th=
e Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average f=
inish of 57th.&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div&=
gt;&lt;br>&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>I'm also working on a g=
raph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the two previous two years in o=
ur J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for the Branford summer series. I=
think this should be an objective way of separating out all other factors =
to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs the Frers 33. The J-29 fract=
ional rating is not under review. At first look, I think I can show that ou=
r performance against others in nearly 30 races in each boat remained uncha=
nged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate. &nbsp;(In fact, if anyt=
hing the Frers 33 rating is a little tougher)&lt;/div><BR>&lt;di=
v>&lt;br>&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div><B=
R>&lt;div>I'd like to collect other supporting data such as IRC rati=
ngs, PHRF ratings in other regions and any other ideas for presenting our c=
ase from the fleet.&nbsp;&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>&lt;br&=
gt;<BR>&lt;div><BR>&lt;div>&lt;span style=3D"WIDOWS: 2; T=
EXT-TRANSFORM: none; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: med=
ium Verdana; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR=
: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D"yiv249185265Apple-style-span">=
&lt;span style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none;=
FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPSE: separate; WHITE-S=
PACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-S=
PACING: 0px" class=3D"yiv249185265Apple-style-span"><BR>&lt;div styl=
e=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;span style=3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; W=
IDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BOR=
DER-COLLAPSE: separate; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: no=
rmal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D"yiv249185265Apple-styl=
e-span"><BR>&lt;div style=3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;font =
class=3D"yiv249185265Apple-style-span" face=3D"Arial"><BR>&lt;div>=
;Edgar Smith&lt;/div><BR>&lt;div>Pachyderm&lt;/div>&am=
p;lt;/font>&lt;/div>&lt;/span>&lt;/div>&lt;/spa=
n>&lt;/span>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&=
lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>&lt;/div>=
&lt;/blockquote>&lt;/td>&lt;/tr>&lt;/tbody>&=
;lt;/table>&lt;/div>&lt;/blockquote>&lt;/body>&=
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_--<BR><BR>Message: 4<BR>Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:19:03 -0800 (PST)<BR>Fro=
m: Scott Marino &lt;scottamarino@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [frers-l=
ist]ECSA class rating<BR>To: "frers-list@lists.frers33.com" &lt;frers-l=
ist@lists.frers33.com><BR>Reply-To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com<BR><BR>=
---375072337-321145529-1353467943=3D:8112<BR>Content-Type: text/plain; char=
set=3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable<BR><BR>Don'=
t sail here, it's worse...=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A=3D0A_____________________________=
___=3D<BR>=3D0AFrom: FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net>=3D0ATo=
: frers-list@lists.frers=3D<BR>33.com =3D0ASent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012=
5:15 PM=3D0ASubject: Re: [frers-li=3D<BR>st]ECSA class rating=3D0A=3D0AEdg=
ar,=3D0A=3D0APHRF of the Chesapeake rates the Frer=3D<BR>s 33 at 114 which =
is a difficult rating to sail to.=3DA0 I do okay but we sai=3D<BR>l the=3DA=
0heck out of that boat and the crew work is impeccable.=3D0A=3DA0 =3D0A=3D0=
A=3D<BR>Thanks,=3D0AFrank Albert=3D0ARELENTLESS--- On Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar =
Smith &lt;edgar=3D<BR>@geomatrixproductions.com> wrote:=3D0A=3D0A>=
;From: Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixp=3D<BR>roductions.com>=3D0A&g=
t;Subject: [frers-list]ECSA class rating=3D0A>To: frers-list=3D<BR>@list=
s.frers33.com=3D0A>Date: Tuesday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM=3D0A>=
=3D0A>=3D0A=3D<BR>>The ECSA is reviewing the ratings of a number of b=
oats at their next meeti=3D<BR>ng on January 22, 2013. I'm told that this i=
s a fairly routine review of bo=3D<BR>ats/classes that have done well in th=
e previous season, but the review can =3D<BR>sometimes result in an adjustm=
ent of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class.=3DA0=3D<BR>I believe that the Fr=
ers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Island Sound at=3D<BR> 108/129 =
and=3DA0plan to go to the meeting to present evidence to support thi=3D<BR>=
s and insure we don't get an unwarranted negative rating adjustment.=3DA0 =
=3D0A=3D<BR>>The Frers 33 has done well in the results, but if you look =
at the boats in=3D<BR> our division who raced more than 2 or more race=
s in 2011, (21 boats) the F=3D<BR>rers 33s are well distributed across the =
group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.=3DA0I thin=3D<BR>k this shows mainly that there a=
re far more Frers 33s racing and doing more=3D<BR> races than any othe=
r boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for the ECSA=3D<BR> overall=
results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standings boats=3D<BR>&=
nbsp;in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more races, exac=
tly =3D<BR>in the 50th percentile. This compares with other competitive boa=
ts with bet=3D<BR>ter averages such as the=3DA0J-27 with an average finish =
52nd,=3DA0the Tripp 36=3D<BR> average finish 55th,=3DA0the Evelyn 32-2=
with and average finish of 57th.=3DA0=3D<BR>=3D0A>I'm also working on a=
graph of two years of races in Pachyderm vs. the =3D<BR>two previous two y=
ears in our J-29 Wasabi using the recorded results for th=3D<BR>e Branford =
summer series. I think this should be an objective way of separa=3D<BR>ting=
out all other factors to compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs t=3D<=
BR>he Frers 33. The J-29 fractional rating is not under review. At first lo=
ok,=3D<BR> I think I can show that our performance against others in n=
early 30 races =3D<BR>in each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratin=
gs were commensurate. =3D<BR>=3DA0(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating=
is a little tougher)=3D0A>I'd li=3D<BR>ke to collect other supporting d=
ata such as IRC ratings, PHRF ratings in ot=3D<BR>her regions and any other=
ideas for presenting our case from the fleet.=3DA0=3D<BR>=3D0A>Edgar Sm=
ith=3D0A>Pachyderm <BR>---375072337-321145529-1353467943=3D:8112<BR>Cont=
ent-Type: text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1<BR>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quo=
ted-printable<BR><BR>&lt;html>&lt;body>&lt;div style=3D3D=
"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=3D<BR>mes new roman, new=
york, times, serif;font-size:12pt">&lt;div style=3D3D"RIGHT: =3D<BR=
>auto">&lt;SPAN style=3D3D"RIGHT: auto">Don't sail here, it's wor=
se...&lt;VAR id=3D3Dy=3D<BR>ui-ie-cursor>&lt;/VAR>&lt;BR =
style=3D3D"RIGHT: auto" class=3D3Dyui-cursor>&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/d=
i=3D<BR>v><BR>&lt;div>&lt;BR>&lt;/div><BR>&lt;D=
IV style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SI=
=3D<BR>ZE: 12pt"><BR>&lt;DIV style=3D3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman=
, new york, times, serif; FONT-SI=3D<BR>ZE: 12pt"><BR>&lt;DIV dir=3D=
3Dltr>&lt;FONT size=3D3D2 face=3D3DArial><BR>&lt;DIV style=3D=
3D"BORDER-BOTTOM: #ccc 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; P=3D<BR>ADDI=
NG-BOTTOM: 0px; LINE-HEIGHT: 0; MARGIN: 5px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PAD=3D<=
BR>DING-RIGHT: 0px; HEIGHT: 0px; FONT-SIZE: 0px; BORDER-TOP: #ccc 1px solid=
; B=3D<BR>ORDER-RIGHT: #ccc 1px solid; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class=3D3Dhr conte=
ntEditable=3D<BR>=3D3Dfalse readonly=3D3D"true">&lt;/DIV>&lt;=
B>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:=3D<BR>&lt;/SPA=
N>&lt;/B> FRANCIS ALBERT &lt;fxalbert@prodigy.net&gt;&=
;lt;BR>&lt;B>&lt;SPAN style=3D<BR>=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">=
;To:&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> frers-list@lists.frers33.com &lt;BR=
>&lt;B>&lt;=3D<BR>SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:=
&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> Tuesday, November 20, 201=3D<BR>2 5:15 PM&a=
mp;lt;BR>&lt;B>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subj=
ect:&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/B> Re: [=3D<BR>frers-list]ECSA class ratin=
g&lt;BR>&lt;/FONT>&lt;/DIV>&lt;WBR><BR>&lt;=
DIV id=3D3Dyiv989608804><BR>&lt;TABLE border=3D3D0 cellSpacing=3D3D0=
cellPadding=3D3D0><BR>&lt;TBODY><BR>&lt;TR><BR>&lt;TD=
vAlign=3D3Dtop><BR>&lt;DIV>Edgar,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV=
>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>PHRF of the Chesapeake rat=
es the Frers 33 at 114 which is a difficult =3D<BR>rating to sail to.&n=
bsp; I do okay but we sail the&nbsp;heck out of that bo=3D<BR>at and th=
e crew work is impeccable.&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp; &am=
p;lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV&g=
t;Thanks,&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Frank Albert&lt;/DIV><BR=
>&lt;DIV>RELENTLESS&lt;WBR>&lt;WBR>--- On &lt;B>=
;Tue, 11/20/12, Edgar Smith &lt;I>&lt;edgar@=3D<BR>geomatrixprod=
uctions.com&gt;&lt;/I>&lt;/B> wrote:&lt;WBR>&l=
t;/DIV><BR>&lt;BLOCKQUOTE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px=
solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5=3D<BR>px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">&lt;BR>From: =
Edgar Smith &lt;edgar@geomatrixproductions.=3D<BR>com&gt;&lt;BR=
>Subject: [&lt;SPAN>frers&lt;/SPAN>-list]ECSA class rating=
&lt;BR>To: frers=3D<BR>-list@lists.frers33.com&lt;BR>Date: Tu=
esday, November 20, 2012, 11:10 AM&lt;BR>&lt;B=3D<BR>R><BR>&a=
mp;lt;DIV id=3D3Dyiv989608804><BR>&lt;DIV>The ECSA is reviewing t=
he ratings of a number of boats at their next m=3D<BR>eeting on January 22,=
2013. I'm told that this is a fairly routine review o=3D<BR>f boats/classe=
s that have done well in the previous season, but the review =3D<BR>can som=
etimes result in an adjustment of up to 3 seconds/mile for the class=3D<BR>=
.&nbsp;I believe that the Frers 33 is fairly rated in Eastern Long Isla=
nd S=3D<BR>ound at 108/129 and&nbsp;plan to go to the meeting to presen=
t evidence to s=3D<BR>upport this and insure we don't get an unwarranted ne=
gative rating adjustme=3D<BR>nt.&nbsp;=3D20<BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;W=
BR>&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>The Frers 33 has done well in the =
results, but if you look at the boat=3D<BR>s in our division who raced more=
than 2 or more races in 2011, (21 boats) t=3D<BR>he Frers 33s are well dis=
tributed across the group 1, 2, 6, 9, 13, 21.&nbsp=3D<BR>;I think this =
shows mainly that there are far more Frers 33s racing and doi=3D<BR>ng more=
races than any other boat type in Div 1. The same story holds for t=3D<BR>=
he ECSA overall results at 2, 18, 41, 47, 75, 108, 116. In overall standing=
=3D<BR>s boats in the class average 58th among 116 boats racing 2 or more r=
aces, e=3D<BR>xactly in the 50th percentile. This compares with other compe=
titive boats w=3D<BR>ith better averages such as the&nbsp;J-27 with an =
average finish 52nd,&nbsp=3D<BR>;the Tripp 36 average finish 55th,&=
nbsp;the Evelyn 32-2 with and average fi=3D<BR>nish of 57th.&nbsp;&=
lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/DI=
V><BR>&lt;DIV>I'm also working on a graph of two years of races i=
n Pachyderm vs. the=3D<BR> two previous two years in our J-29 Wasabi u=
sing the recorded results for t=3D<BR>he Branford summer series. I think th=
is should be an objective way of separ=3D<BR>ating out all other factors to=
compare the ratings of the the J-29 Frac vs =3D<BR>the Frers 33. The J-29 =
fractional rating is not under review. At first look=3D<BR>, I think I can =
show that our performance against others in nearly 30 races=3D<BR> in =
each boat remained unchanged, suggesting the ratings were commensurate.=3D<=
BR> &nbsp;(In fact, if anything the Frers 33 rating is a little to=
ugher)&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR>&lt;/DIV><BR=
>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>I'd like to collect o=
ther supporting data such as IRC ratings, PHRF ra=3D<BR>tings in other regi=
ons and any other ideas for presenting our case from the=3D<BR> fleet.=
&nbsp;&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;WBR><BR>&lt;DIV=
><BR>&lt;DIV>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D"WIDOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: n=
one; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORD=3D<BR>ER-COLLAPSE: separate; FONT: medium Verda=
na; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: =3D<BR>2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLOR: =
rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3Dyi=3D<BR>v989608804Apple-style-spa=
n>&lt;SPAN style=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WIDOWS: 2; T=3D<BR>EXT-TR=
ANSFORM: none; FONT-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORDER-COLLAPS=3D<BR=
>E: separate; WHITE-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: normal; COLO=
R=3D<BR>: rgb(0,0,0); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3Dyiv989608804Apple-style-=
span><BR>&lt;DIV style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;SPAN s=
tyle=3D3D"LINE-HEIGHT: normal; WI=3D<BR>DOWS: 2; TEXT-TRANSFORM: none; FONT=
-VARIANT: normal; TEXT-INDENT: 0px; BORD=3D<BR>ER-COLLAPSE: separate; WHITE=
-SPACE: normal; ORPHANS: 2; LETTER-SPACING: nor=3D<BR>mal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0=
); WORD-SPACING: 0px" class=3D3Dyiv989608804Apple-style-=3D<BR>span><BR>=
&lt;DIV style=3D3D"WORD-WRAP: break-word">&lt;FONT class=3D3Dyiv=
989608804Apple-style-=3D<BR>span face=3D3DArial><BR>&lt;DIV>Edgar=
Smith&lt;/DIV><BR>&lt;DIV>Pachyderm&lt;/DIV>&lt;/=
FONT>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/SPAN>&=
amp;lt;/SPAN>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/D=3D<BR>IV>&=
;lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>&lt;/DIV>=
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