[frers-list]stay with rod rigging or switch to wire ?
ARTHUR KELLEY
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Sun, 07 Oct 2012 12:16:55 -0400 (EDT)
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Courtney,
I agree with Frank on the rigging.
The spars were originally painted with Awlgrip, white being their
Topcoat Matterhorn White. I bought a small touch up kit and those spots
have held up well (with probably poor prep) for 10 years. I think at
the time I bought it through Hall Spars. The bottle has an Awlgrip part
number of G8003, but I remember it being very expensive.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote:
Courtney,
If you're not going to race the boat then wire is less expensive.
However, since the standard on a Frers 33 was and is rod then the boat
would loose some resale value with wire. IF the Rod has been just
sitting not on the boat for five years then that's five years of extra
life. You could take the rod to a rigger and have him inspect it for
elongation. If there is none you could replace the compressed end piece
(that's where rod mostly fails just before that compression) and use
that rod. They will cut off a few inches of rod and do a cold press at
the end of end effectively giving you a new end piece.
If the welder says he can fix it it's likely it will be fine. My first
boat had a diagonal slice in the bottom of the mast about 5 inches long.
Hit by a lawn mower blade while being stored on the ground at a house.
The slightest pull on the mast would cause the slice to start to open.
I had it welded and the weld was so good you couldn't even tell where it
was. The boat sailed fine after that for two years, no problems.
I would not go with Kevlar. It is way too much money. Even I don't
have Kevlar standing rigging and I have just about the most expensive
stuff you can put on the boat.
Can't help you with the mast paint. I painted my mast about 5 years ago
with an interlux one part polyurethane but to be honest I can't recall.
I wish I could remember as it has held up like steel. Just go on line
and look at the interlux paints you should be able to find one that will
meet your needs.
Good luck
Frank Albert
Relentless 41621
--- On Sat, 10/6/12, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
From: Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [ frers -list]stay with rod rigging or switch to wire ?
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Date: Saturday, October 6, 2012, 2:04 PM
Do group members recommend any particular service to 'check out' their
rod rigging ? I presently have
rod but am unaware of it's history, though I'm told very little use but
now over 5 years old. The mast's
existence basically has been in storage on saw horses.
The starboard upper spreader tip has been damaged but I'm told by a
local welder that he can 'fix it'.
Thoughts ?
What's the consensus regarding wire, rod or kevlar ?
I should add that racing is not my objective but rather extensive
coastal cruising.
What mast paint has been durable and cost competitive ?
Any other suggestions and recommendations for a refurb would be
appreciated,
C.Thomas
ccthomas01@yahoo.com
<http://us.mc829.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ccthomas01@yahoo.com>
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<DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LET=
TERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"> Courtney,</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Ve=
rdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br><=
/FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#00000=
0" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">I agree with Frank on the rigging.</FO=
NT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=
=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" =
SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">The spars we=
re originally painted with Awlgrip, white being their Topcoat Matterhorn Wh=
ite. I bought a small touch up kit and those spots have held up well =
(with probably poor prep) for 10 years. I think at the time I bought =
it through Hall Spars. The bottle has an Awlgrip part number of G8003=
, but I remember it being very expensive.</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana=
" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT=
><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KE=
RNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" =
LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D=
"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALI=
GN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACI=
NG=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:05 PM, FRANCIS ALBERT wrote=
:</FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPA=
CING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verda=
na" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"> <F=
ONT SIZE=3D"3">Courtney, </FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=
=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"=
> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=
=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"=
>If you're not going to race the boat then wire is less expensive. Ho=
wever, since the standard on a Frers 33 was and is rod then the boat would =
loose some resale value with wire. IF the Rod has been just sit=
ting not on the boat for five years then that's five years of extra life.&n=
bsp; You could take the rod to a rigger and have him inspect it for elongat=
ion. If there is none you could replace the compressed end piece (tha=
t's where rod mostly fails just before that compression) and use that rod.&=
nbsp; They will cut off a few inches of rod and do a cold press at the end =
of end effectively giving you a new end piece. <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FO=
NT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FO=
NT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#00=
0000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">If the welder says he can fix it it=
's likely it will be fine. My first boat had a diagonal slice in the =
bottom of the mast about 5 inches long. Hit by a lawn mower blade whi=
le being stored on the ground at a house. The slightest pull on the m=
ast would cause the slice to start to open. I had it welded and the w=
eld was so good you couldn't even tell where it was. The boat sailed =
fine after that for two years, no problems. <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT><=
/FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"=
#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT><=
/FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"=
#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">I would not go with Kevlar. =
; It is way too much money. Even I don't have Kevlar standing rigging=
and I have just about the most expensive stuff you can put on the boat. <F=
ONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdan=
a" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"> <F=
ONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdan=
a" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Can't hel=
p you with the mast paint. I painted my mast about 5 years ago with a=
n interlux one part polyurethane but to be honest I can't recall. I w=
ish I could remember as it has held up like steel. Just go on line an=
d look at the interlux paints you should be able to find one that will meet=
your needs. <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT=
FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=
=3D"0"> <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FON=
T FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=
=3D"0">Good luck <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><=
FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERN=
ING=3D"0">Frank Albert <FONT SIZE=3D"2"></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"L=
EFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0=
" KERNING=3D"0">Relentless 41621 </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=
=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV =
ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSP=
ACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">--- On <B>Sat, 10/6/12, Courtney Thomas </B><B><I=
><courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> </I></B>wrote: </FONT></DIV><FONT FA=
CE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"2" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"=
0"><br></FONT><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPA=
CING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verda=
na" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">From: Co=
urtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=
=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=
=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Subject: [ frers -list]stay with rod rigging or switch=
to wire ? </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"=
3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">To: frers-list@lists=
.frers33.com </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=
=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Date: Saturday, =
October 6, 2012, 2:04 PM </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COL=
OR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"L=
EFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0=
" KERNING=3D"0">Do group members recommend any particular service to 'check=
out' their rod rigging ? I presently have </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"=
><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KE=
RNING=3D"0">rod but am unaware of it's history, though I'm told very little=
use but now over 5 years old. The mast's </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT">=
<FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KER=
NING=3D"0">existence basically has been in storage on saw horses. </FONT></=
DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0"=
KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=
=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">The starboard up=
per spreader tip has been damaged but I'm told by a local welder that he ca=
n 'fix it'. </FONT></DIV><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D=
"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">Thoughts ? </FONT><=
/DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0=
" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=
=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">What's the conse=
nsus regarding wire, rod or kevlar ? </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SI=
ZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DI=
V ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTER=
SPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">I should add that racing is not my objective bu=
t rather extensive coastal cruising. </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SI=
ZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DI=
V ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTER=
SPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0">What mast paint has been durable and cost compe=
titive ? </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" L=
ETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=
=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERSPACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"=
>Any other suggestions and recommendations for a refurb would be appreciate=
d, </FONT></DIV><FONT FACE=3D"Verdana" SIZE=3D"3" COLOR=3D"#000000" LETTERS=
PACING=3D"0" KERNING=3D"0"><br></FONT><DIV ALIGN=3D"LEFT"><FONT FACE=3D"Ver=
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