[frers-list]My unique keel on hull #54

[Courtney Thomas]

On 12/12/2013 3:34 PM, Bob Connell wrote:
> Courtney, is the keel installed on the boat now or is it off? If it is off can the boatyard weigh the keel or put it on a trailer and take it to a scale.Moving companies or a truck stop will have scale.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 12, 2013, at 7:13 AM, Arthur Kelley <akelley@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> Courtney,
>>
>> Any photos?  I think it would be marvelous to document the differences. Perhaps an all-inclusive shot showing rudder and keel then close-ups of each.
>>
>> I haven't done all the math but if your rudder is 55" and your draft is 4'11" (59") I think the rudder is "just right". You don't want a rudder deeper than your keel because bad things may happen in a grounding.
>>
>> Art
>>
>>> On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:58 PM, Courtney Thomas <courtneycthomas@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> First, thanks to all who've responded to my attempts at sorting out what I've got here in hull #54   :-)
>>>
>>> Rudder Concerns
>>> ______________________________________________________________________________________________
>>> #54's RUDDER's length is 55" which apparently is 5" less than the the other boats rudders
>>> which have been included in this ongoing discussion.
>>>
>>> Anyone know if this correlates with the following description of #54's keel and it's 16" shortened length, or is an
>>> improper and subsequent-to-construction-launch alteration ?
>>>
>>> Also, would not it have been appropriate to in fact increase the 4000# ballast on the stock boat to compensate for
>>> reduced draft and lever arm on #54 thus hopefully restoring at least some lost stability and ease of motion ?
>>>
>>> Finally, the vertical-midpoint of the rudder's-forward-entry-width is approximately 2", which I expected to have a finer entry. Comment  ? _______________________________________________________________________________________________
>>> End of Rudder Concerns
>>>
>>> The boat's current storage location is not near my house but I took yesterday to travel to
>>> the yard to make measurements, which apparently vary from the stock keel as follows:
>>>
>>> Keel Concerns
>>> _______________________________________________________________________________________________
>>> Foot            16" wide at it's widest and tapers to almost a point aft but has a less fine entry for'd, and IS apparently a          winged keel as opposed to my former posts. I did not measure it's thickness but it is multiplel inches,
>>>                     thereby compensating for the reduced lever arm.
>>>
>>>                    At least part of my confusion regarding the keel is that the former owner made misstatements
>>>                    about #54's history, though I assume in ignorance rather than intent.
>>>                    Thanks to all in helping sort this out  as I'm in a Frers doldrum down here in Savannah.
>>>
>>> Draft            I only approximated it to about 5' which does correspond to the published figure of 4' 11" for the
>>>                     winged keel version of a Frers33. Does anyone know if there was another winged keel 33' built ?
>>>
>>> Foot Length  - approximately 5', yes 5', again compensating for the reduced draft and ballast from the stock keel,
>>>                          I assume.
>>>
>>> At this point I doubt the keel has actually been altered from what Carroll Marine shipped, but
>>> am open to refutation, and if that is the case, would welcome it.
>>> _______________________________________________________________________________________________
>>> End of Keel Concerns
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally,  does anyone know anything about the history of this boat, #54 ?
>>>
>>> Most appreciatively,
>>>
>>> Courtney
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Bob,

Thanks for your interest.

The keel is now installed on the boat. The job was  done by the owner of 
Oasis Boatyard in St. Augustine, Fl. and
cost a mini-fortune.

At the date of purchase in Palm Beach, Fl., I was negligently 
insufficiently concerned about the keel's heritage, for
reasons I won't bore you; not knowing among other things that it 
apparently was a one-of-a-kind. But, as you've probably already read, 
I'm now satisfied that it's lineage has not been compromised and is what 
I took it to be  :-)

I will confess that, knowing what I now know, I definitely would have 
weighed the keel before installation. But I might indirectly infer it's 
weight by weighing the boat as is and comparing it's displacement with 
the standard and attribute any surplus to the keel. As far as I know, 
the keel is the only difference, but would be happy to be corrected.

Finally, I would guess that it being unique, Barry Carroll might 
remember its details. If I knew he had the specifics on it I would 
certainly try to contact him, but would be surprised if that were so.

Cordially,

Courtney