[frers-list]adjusting to a cruiser ...
Neal Melanson
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Tue, 26 Aug 2014 10:14:48 -0400
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I give resounding support for the tiller set up in Vapor Trail. Not only
can I trim the main while steering with just two fingers on the tiller
extension, I actually steer the boat and control boat speed, much like an
Etchells (owned two), with the mainsheet(s), even in heavy air. Two other
bunnies with the tiller is that you need one less crewmember while racing
and it folds up neatly out of the way while cruising.
Vapor Trail is for sale, price reduced to $33K.
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/boa/4637118303.html
Neal
On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Hoyt, Mike <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com> wrote:
> Thanks Dave
>
>
>
> Interesting about the car adjuster position. On Persistence the primarie=
s
> were moved to cabin top and #43 electric winches installed aft end of win=
ch
> pad for single handing/cruising. We have since purchased Lewmar 30ST for
> cabin top and are moving the #43 from cabin top back to forward end of
> winch pad. The car adjusters are back at end of winch pad by the electri=
c
> winches. Note that C&C99 has them there as well and I find it a dumb pla=
ce
> for them while racing =E2=80=A6 and awkward
>
>
>
> My normal position when racing is on main =E2=80=93 mostly on a C&C 115 a=
nd also
> on our J27. When short on crew on J27 or just sailing would often do hel=
m
> and main. Will seem different to move further forward but is a small
> cockpit so expect will not really be an issue =E2=80=93 except when bumpi=
ng into
> jib trimmers ocassionally.
>
>
>
> Is a very different boat than the 27. Seems to be a lot more jib driven
> with much larger loads on jib sheets etc =E2=80=A6 Looking fwd to actua=
lly racing
> it a bit. Love the fact that we can also stay aboard when not racing
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> *From:* frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:
> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] *On Behalf Of *David Nauber
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:07 AM
> *To:* frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> *Subject:* Re: [frers-list]adjusting to a cruiser ...
>
>
>
> One more thing...
>
>
>
> Upwind, I always drive from forward of the wheel. If necessary when
> heeled, I put a foot on the pedestal to keep myself in position. I drive
> better downwind if I'm standing somewhere behind the wheel. I just see an=
d
> feel everything better from there.
>
>
>
> DN
>
>
>
> On , David Nauber <dnauber@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
>
>
> The traveler is where it is because the boat was available with either a
> tiller or a wheel. When fitted with a tiller, there isn't enough room in
> the cockpit to put the traveler behind the jib trimmers. It is a big
> tiller, so it takes up all the room there is behind the jib trimmers. The=
re
> just isn't room for a main trimmer to fit there. I used to have a smaller
> boat (Wavelength 24) with the traveler just forward of the helm and it wa=
s
> designed so the helmsman trimmed main while racing, like an Etchells or
> many other small boats. In a racing situation, you would not want to trim
> main and drive on the Frers anyway. Unless you're single-handing, I don't
> see a problem with its location and even then, you can at least rig the
> traveler to be accessible from the helm as Scott Marino has done on
> Risoluto.
>
>
>
> I'm not sure how you're boat is rigged but on Wolverine and all the other
> Frers I've seen the car adjuster is indeed forward of the jib trimmer. Ou=
rs
> runs to a cam cleat on the side of the cabin top below where the pole
> downhaul/foreguy is cleated. From there you can look at the sail while
> adjusting the car, just as you would expect.
>
>
>
> I know what you're saying about motoring a lot. When on vacation, we
> usually leave early in the AM before there's enough breeze to justify
> hoisting sails, so we motor almost everywhere.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:44 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com=
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Have now had Persistence for 2 months. Still feel like we have not saile=
d
> it.
>
>
>
> We are coming from a series of smaller tiller driven boats with fractiona=
l
> main driven rigs culminating with a J27.
>
>
>
> Perhaps it is that I am very distracted by the Winnebago aspects of the
> boat. Loving having an interior and a separate head and especially lovin=
g
> the 3GM30 diesel. However even after a 400 NM delivery and numerous day
> trips I am finding we have not sailed the boat and I find some things abo=
ut
> the way it is rigged quite confusing and awkard.
>
>
>
> On the J27 and even on C&C99 and C&C 115 the traveler is at aft of cockpi=
t
> just forward of wheel (on wheel boats) and easily accessed by driver on t=
he
> tiller boats. Backstay, traveler, sheet all at this location. On the
> Frers the traveler is forward of the jib trimmer position which just seem=
s
> odd. I am confused why anyone would put it there. My best guess is that
> when sailing with a crew the main trimmer is on high side and the jib
> trimmer sets the jib on low side and then gets up on the rail, Is this
> correct?
>
>
>
> The jib controls are a bit different as well. On the J27 the genoa car
> adjusters are forward of the primaries so that the trimmer can look at th=
e
> genoa while adjusting the cars. The controls are positioned exactly wher=
e
> the pole down cam cleats are on the Frers. I am tempted to set up using
> these cam cleats same as J27 as it works better and route the pole downha=
ul
> to a cabintop clutch beside the pole uphaul.
>
>
>
> I am thinking the adjustments we are having are a bit awkward because we
> are spending some time cruising and/or have guests aboard too frequently =
to
> allow us to really sail the boat. On top of that I am very infatuated wi=
th
> a large diesel and wheel so tempted to motor more often than in past.
> Hopefully with the cooler Fall weather the tourists are less interested a=
nd
> the sailors will come out and we will actually sail and race the boat
>
>
>
> Sorry for the rambling email. Almost feel like I need to sit forward of
> the wheel to drive so that can access the sail controls.
>
>
>
> Later
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Persistence
>
>
>
>
>
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Neal Melanson
89 Central St.
Rowley Ma. 01969
978 948 7189
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I give resounding support for the tiller set up in Vapor T=
rail. =C2=A0Not only can I trim the main while steering with just two finge=
rs on the tiller extension, I actually steer the boat and control boat spee=
d, much like an Etchells (owned two), with the mainsheet(s), even in heavy =
air. =C2=A0Two other bunnies with the tiller is that you need one less crew=
member while racing and it folds up neatly out of the way while cruising.<d=
iv>
<br></div><div>Vapor Trail is for sale, price reduced to $33K.</div><div><b=
r></div><div><a href=3D"http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/boa/4637118303.htm=
l">http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/boa/4637118303.html</a><br></div><div>
<br></div><div>Neal</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Hoyt, Mik=
e <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com" target=3D=
"_blank">Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"p=
urple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks Dave<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Interesting about t=
he car adjuster position.=C2=A0 On Persistence the primaries were moved to =
cabin top and #43 electric winches installed aft end of winch pad for singl=
e handing/cruising.=C2=A0 We have since purchased Lewmar 30ST for cabin top=
and are moving the #43 from cabin top back to forward end of winch pad.=C2=
=A0 The car adjusters are back at end of winch pad by the electric winches.=
=C2=A0 Note that C&C99 has them there as well and I find it a dumb plac=
e for them while racing =E2=80=A6 and awkward<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">My normal position =
when racing is on main =E2=80=93 mostly on a C&C 115 and also on our J2=
7.=C2=A0 When short on crew on J27 or just sailing would often do helm and =
main.=C2=A0 Will seem different to move further forward but is a small cock=
pit so expect will not really be an issue =E2=80=93 except when bumping int=
o jib trimmers ocassionally.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Is a very different=
boat=C2=A0 than the 27.=C2=A0 Seems to be a lot more jib driven with much =
larger loads on jib sheets etc =E2=80=A6 =C2=A0=C2=A0Looking fwd to actuall=
y racing it a bit.=C2=A0 Love the fact that we can also stay aboard when no=
t racing<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Mike<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></spa=
n></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding=
:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href=
=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com" target=3D"_blank">frers-list=
-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lis=
ts.frers33.com" target=3D"_blank">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <=
b>On Behalf Of </b>David Nauber<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:07 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mai=
lto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com" target=3D"_blank">frers-list@lists.frers3=
3.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [frers-list]adjusting to a cruiser ...<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">One =
more thing...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">Upwind, I always drive from forward of the wheel. If necessary when heel=
ed, I put a foot on the pedestal to keep myself in position. I drive better=
downwind if I'm standing somewhere behind the wheel. I just see and fe=
el everything better from there.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">DN<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:=
white"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",&q=
uot;sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div=
><div><div>
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">On , David Nauber <<a href=3D"mailto:dnauber@yahoo.com" target=3D"_bl=
ank">dnauber@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white=
"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";c=
olor:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","san=
s-serif";color:black">Hi Mike,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvet=
ica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></=
p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">The traveler i=
s where it is because the boat was available with either a tiller or a whee=
l. When fitted with a tiller, there isn't enough room in the cockpit to=
put the traveler behind the jib trimmers. It is a big tiller, so it takes =
up all the room there is behind the jib trimmers. There just isn't room=
for a main trimmer to fit there. I used to have a smaller boat (Wavelength=
24) with the traveler just forward of the helm and it was designed so the =
helmsman trimmed main while racing, like an Etchells or many other small bo=
ats. In a racing situation, you would not want to trim main and drive on th=
e Frers anyway. Unless you're single-handing, I don't see a problem=
with its location and even then, you can at least rig the traveler to be a=
ccessible from the helm as Scott Marino has done on Risoluto.=C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">I'm not sure how you're boat is rigged but on Wolverine and all =
the other Frers I've seen the car adjuster is indeed forward of the jib=
trimmer. Ours runs to a cam cleat on the side of the cabin top below where=
the pole downhaul/foreguy is cleated. From there you can look at the sail =
while adjusting the car, just as you would expect.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">I know what you're saying about motoring a lot. When on vacation, we=
usually leave early in the AM before there's enough breeze to justify =
hoisting sails, so we motor almost everywhere.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:blac=
k">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p>
</div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:w=
hite"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif";color:black">On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 8:44 AM, "Hoy=
t, Mike" <<a href=3D"mailto:Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p>
</div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white=
"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";c=
olor:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-=
serif";color:#1f497d">Have now had Persistence for 2 months.=C2=A0 Sti=
ll feel like we have not sailed it.</span><span style=3D"font-family:"=
Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">We are coming from a series of smaller tiller driven boats wit=
h fractional main driven rigs culminating with a J27.</span><span style=3D"=
font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></=
u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">Perhaps it is that I am very distracted by the Winnebago aspec=
ts of the boat.=C2=A0 Loving having an interior and a separate head and esp=
ecially loving the 3GM30 diesel.=C2=A0 However even after a 400 NM delivery=
and numerous day trips I am finding we have not sailed the boat and I find=
some things about the way it is rigged quite confusing and awkard.</span><=
span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";colo=
r:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">On the J27 and even on C&C99 and C&C 115 the traveler =
is at aft of cockpit just forward of wheel (on wheel boats) and easily acce=
ssed by driver on the tiller boats.=C2=A0 Backstay, traveler, sheet all at =
this location.=C2=A0 On the Frers the traveler is forward of the jib trimme=
r position which just seems odd.=C2=A0 I am confused why anyone would put i=
t there.=C2=A0 My best guess is that when sailing with a crew the main trim=
mer is on high side and the jib trimmer sets the jib on low side and then g=
ets up on the rail,=C2=A0 Is this correct?</span><span style=3D"font-family=
:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">The jib controls are a bit different as well.=C2=A0 On the J27=
the genoa car adjusters are forward of the primaries so that the trimmer c=
an look at the genoa while adjusting the cars.=C2=A0 The controls are posit=
ioned exactly where the pole down cam cleats are on the Frers.=C2=A0 I am t=
empted to set up using these cam cleats same as J27 as it works better and =
route the pole downhaul to a cabintop clutch beside the pole uphaul.</span>=
<span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";col=
or:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">I am thinking the adjustments we are having are a bit awkward =
because we are spending some time cruising and/or have guests aboard too fr=
equently to allow us to really sail the boat.=C2=A0 On top of that I am ver=
y infatuated with a large diesel and wheel so tempted to motor more often t=
han in past.=C2=A0 Hopefully with the cooler Fall weather the tourists are =
less interested and the sailors will come out and we will actually sail and=
race the boat</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","=
;sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">Sorry for the rambling email.=C2=A0 Almost feel like I need to=
sit forward of the wheel to drive so that can access the sail controls.=C2=
=A0 </span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","sans-seri=
f";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">Later</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",&=
quot;sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">Mike</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",&q=
uot;sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica",=
"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:white"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";co=
lor:#1f497d">Persistence</span><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica&q=
uot;,"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t;background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica","=
sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div></=
div></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-=
bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style=3D"font-family:"Helvetica&=
quot;,"sans-serif";color:black"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></=
div></div>
</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div=
><br></div>-- <br><div>Neal Melanson</div><div>89 Central St.</div><div>Row=
ley Ma. 01969</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>978 948 7189</div>
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