[frers-list]tweakers or guys?
Hoyt, Mike
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Thu, 24 Jul 2014 09:48:16 -0300
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Thanks Edgar
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We have come from a J27 which also was twings and end for end. Also
race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be sailing when we
race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets and can only do dip
pole. We were planning end for end on the Frers. Another boat we
occasionally race on is a C&C 99. It has I measurement one foot more
than F33 and J about the same. Also has a J+1 pole. It always does end
for end despite having a slightly larger spin
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Mike
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Edgar Smith
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Cc: Edgar Smith
Subject: RE: [frers-list]tweakers or guys?
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Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light
sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety
we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but
don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it
is really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that
makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we
wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we
remove and replace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a
.5 chute and I have not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the
flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the
lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but
we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes.=20
I used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the
chute on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that
it could get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I
agree with Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an
advantage.
With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to set-up for the
jibe (running the lazy guy forward and raising the inboard end for the
dip), but it as fast and more controlled once you are ready. We don't
jibe perfectly every time, but it never really goes haywire either.=20
I also found the twing system on my J-29 was hard on the stanchion
bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run perfectly fair especially when
it didn't get set fully, stressing the stanchion. Having the lazy guy is
also great for forward hatch douses, but having to let the extra lazy
sheet run can slow down the douse if it hangs up (usually because of a
"foot-cleat" in the cockpit).
Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
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Also race primarily on a C&C115 and some of that crew will be =
sailing when we race the Frers 33. The 115 uses guys and sheets =
and can only do dip pole. We were planning end for end on the =
Frers. Another boat we occasionally race on is a C&C 99. It =
has I measurement one foot more than F33 and J about the same. =
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Edgar =
Smith<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br><b>Cc:</b> Edgar =
Smith<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [frers-list]tweakers or =
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Pachyderm uses sheets and guys, no twings/tweekers. We have ultra-light =
sheets which we use all the time. I think the New England Ropes variety =
we use is called flight-line, I had an even lighter variety before but =
don't know what it was. I also have heavy sheets aboard just in case it =
is really stormy. I installed a trigger tripped end on the pole that =
makes the jibes faster, but the pole is not rigged with bridles so we =
wouldn't be able end for end with the current set-up. Like Wolverine, we =
remove and replace the lazy-guy if the wind goes really soft. We have a =
.5 chute and I have not seen the need to put on a lighter sheet than the =
flight-line in any conditions. In heavy air we sometime sheet using the =
lazy-guy to help stabilize the chute and dampen the rock and rolling but =
we leave the sheet attached and take it back up for jibes. <br><br>I =
used twings and end-for-ended on my previous boat, a J-29, but the chute =
on the Frers 33 is big enough with our smallish foredeck crew that it =
could get tough to re-attach the pole to the mast on a windier day. I =
agree with Dave that doing the same maneuver every time is also an =
advantage.<br><br>With a dip-pole set-up, it takes a little more time to =
set-up for the jibe (running the lazy guy forward and raising the =
inboard end for the dip), but it as fast and more controlled once you =
are ready. We don't jibe perfectly every time, but it never really goes =
haywire either. <br><br>I also found the twing system on my J-29 was =
hard on the stanchion bases, since the twinged sheet didn't run =
perfectly fair especially when it didn't get set fully, stressing the =
stanchion. Having the lazy guy is also great for forward hatch douses, =
but having to let the extra lazy sheet run can slow down the douse if it =
hangs up (usually because of a "foot-cleat" in the =
cockpit).<br><br>Edgar Smith<br>Pachyderm<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
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