[frers-list]Rig tensions
Rod Stright
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Thu, 09 Oct 2014 08:34:39 -0300
Good just sail the boat for a while thing about any major modifications
later. The boat is a good performer and I'm not a big fan of racing sails
on furlers, unless they are low profile furlers and then they are still not
that great. If you are racing you have a crew to switch sails and I think a
RF sail is still a compromise. I have the Harken RF on my boat and it is
fine, if I was racing one design I might switch but I would need to be
convinced that it would make a difference. Here I don't really think it is
worth it. Learning the boat, picking the right sail for conditions and
having a good crew are way more important.
Rod
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Rob
Seemed good tension last evening but the wind ended up pretty light.
I suspect my rigger here could suggest how to make current system work if it
is too long/loose. Am sticking with roller furling because it works well
and is very convenient. Ultimately a low profile furler and all sails Incl.
racing sails on furler would be ideal (pricey). Do not think I will be
doing that as we will only casually race the boat and mostly day sail or
cruise
Last night was only our second race. Boat is now rigged the way I want it
for racing. First time we managed to sail the symmetric spinnaker. Looked
good and flew well. Boat working nicely. Rain held off and the 20 gusting 30
turned out 5-12knots.
Mike
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Mike, IMO, stick with roller furling up there in halifax. Without intense
one-designe pressure, I don't see the point.
I agree, I think the head stay is a little long, but managed to get buy
playing the backstay. You could look into a low-profile furler that reduce
the deck-tack distance.
Rob
On Oct 8, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Hoyt, Mike wrote:
> Any thoughts about reheading (or re bottoming I guess) the rod
> slightly shorter with longer thread on stud? Second option to simply
> remove the forestay and replace with wire of appropriate length and
> with appropriate length thread. Third option is sell the furling unit
> and buy a new forestay and more modern harken furler that has a proper
> turnbuckle system
>
> Downside is that now that we have a cruisey boat is nice to have
> roller furling. Otherwise would do as I did on J27 and sell the
> furling system and replace with tuff luff
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino
> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 3:58 PM
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>
> The mast remains upright.
>
> Use a halyard attached to the bow cleat as a temporary headstay.
>
> Yes, someone goes up the mast. After the bottom pin is removed, the
> person up high releases the top pin, and lowers the roller furling
> headstay to a person on the ground using another one of the halyards.
> Then raise the racing headstay up on that halyard and attached the top
> pin. Reattach the bottom pin and. One on down. Tune up and go racing.
> Reverse the process for cruising.
>
> The job is quickly and easily done with three people. Less quick but
> still easy with two people.
>
>
>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 9:59 AM, "Bruton, Tom (GECAS)"
> <Tom.Bruton@gecas.com> wrote:
>>
>> Scott, when you say less than an hour, are you assuming the mast is
> down? Or is it just the roller furler that's being swapped out - I
> assume an actual head stay change cannot be done by a trip up the mast?
>> Tks, and sorry if this is stupid question, Tom Bruton
>> F36 owner with the same problem
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Scott Marino
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 10:10 PM
>> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
>> Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rig tensions
>>
>> Mike,
>> Risoluto had a Harken MK2 for the first three years I owned her. I
> had the same issues as you with regard to bottoming out the threads
> and not being able to tighten any further. The boat did not point
> well and I was never able to remove the headstay sag in medium or heavy
air.
>> In year four I removed the roller furler and installed a new headstay
> with a twin foil. The boat was instantly faster and pointed much
> higher. I regret not making the change sooner.
>> If you can own two headstays, and have a way to store the furling
> headstay, you can swap them out in less than an hour. This gives you
> the chance to change from racing to cruising mode in a very short time.
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:32 AM, "Hoyt, Mike" <Mike.Hoyt@impgroup.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the weekend I borrowed a Loos RT10 and tensioned Persistence at
>>> similar numbers to Equinox for lowers, intermediates and uppers.
>>> The
>
>>> head stay was much more difficult as it has what I believe is a
>>> Harken
>>> Mk2 Unit 1 furling system. With this system the furler itself is
>>> the
>
>>> turnbuckle and you do not see the threads as they are internal on
>>> the
>
>>> top of the furler but you can see the bottom exposed threads. When
>>> I
>
>>> attempted to shorten/tighten head stay the upper locking nut would
>>> only turn 1/2 turn and then seize. I believe this is because there
>>> are no more threads and is as far as it will go on the end of the
> rod.
>>> The lower stud that threads into turnbuckle and pins the forestay
>>> had
>
>>> approx. 3/8 inch of thread remaining or enough for two full turns.
>>> Accordingly I unpinned forestay and turned the stud two turns and
>>> then reattached. This is now the maximum I can tighten forestay.
>>> Note that I also will increase tension with backstay as needed
>>>
>>> I am wondering if this could be a function of the mast butt
>>> placement
>
>>> and mast rake. What is the typical measurement for mast rake? On
>>> our
>>> J27 was approx. 15 inches which was measured distance between the
>>> main halyard and mast at cabin top.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> Persistence
>>>
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