[frers-list]Pole downhaul

Fri, 17 Oct 2014 21:39:20 -0400

When I purchased her, Brilliant had been re-rigged for end-to-end jibes,
bridle centered on pole, and the downhaul led back to a point just =
forward
of the mast, then to the cabin top clutches.  The topping lift and =
downhaul
are wildly different colors, and the pit person generally controls both =
-
easy to coordinate.  It tends to work for us.  A good bit of the crew =
I've
been getting recently are J/24 sailors, and this is familiar to them.  =
Have
we ever had a pole sky?  Sure - not fun, but mostly it's been during the
jibe when the mast man is still holding the pole prior to clipping it to =
the
mast.

The best part of this is we can practically turn from a dead run up to a
beam reach without having to touch the topping lift or downhaul.

Art

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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Stephen, Robert
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This has been a interesting, enlighten information Thank you all of your
help Bob Stephen Frers 36 Itchy Magoo - Chicago

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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:24 AM
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This is interesting.  On our last boat (J27) was beside pole uphaul on
forward edge of sea hood.  The person in the pit controlled pole up and
down.  On C&C 115 that we race regularly is port side cabintop thru a =
clutch
and again controlled by pit person.  If a lot of pressure on a windy day =
a
wrap or two around cabintop winch can help.  C&C99 that we sometimes =
race
same as C&C 115.  In all cases the pit person has to work with the =
person
controlling guy when adjusting pole forward or back.

My number one concern is to eliminate confusion as people move between
boats.  Also since we have ten clutches and nice winches on cabintop may =
as
well use some of them.

Mike

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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
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The one time I can think that it makes sense for the main trimmer to do =
it
is when  you're trying to square the pole in breeze and you don't want =
to
risk it skying, which could happen after it's popped out of the cam =
cleat
while the guy is being ground back. If the main trimmer has it in his =
hand
he can guard against this. Otherwise, if you have self tailing primary
winches as we do, then the guy trimmer can grind with one hand and keep =
the
downhaul in his other hand as it's easing out.

DN

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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:51 PM
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Subject: RE: [frers-list]Pole downhaul

Having guy trimmer do it makes so much sense.  Have always had pit =
person do
the downhaul and work with guy trimmer.  I think I like this option even
though the other boats C&C 99 and C&C 115 have on cabin top port side =
beside
pole down.

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I think that in any condition where you are needing to adjust the =
downhaul,
by definition, you have someone adjusting the spinnaker guy, so that =
person
normally would reach forward and ease or tighten as needed. There are =
times
where this person is called to another duty so in those cases the main
trimmer makes the adjustment, usually to snug it up.

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[mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Bill Thompson
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I have the same setup: foreguy (pole down) on cabin sides, and topping =
lift
(pole up) in cabin top clutch.

I think the foreguy setup was designed to be accessible to someone on =
the
rail, which has never happened, mostly because we rarely have weight on =
a
rail under spi, & when we do, not that far aft.

It's really hard for the pit man to reach from the companionway, so the
windward side is a mainsail trimmer responsibility - only sort of works
because there is so much action with a chute flying.

In light air, it means somebody besides helm has to be aft of =
cockpit/cabin
bulkhead...

We're still trying to determine how we're gonna do it, though at the =
moment
another cabin top clutch seems better - just meeds to be positioned to =
avoid
confusion.

Bill Thompson
d'Ad Lib
Montreal
514 942-6709

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:
>
> I have the downhaul on each side and also have the cam cleats for the=20
> genoa cars located in the same area as the pole down.  Up haul is on=20
> the coach roof, no problem.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
> [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike
> Sent: October-15-14 4:26 PM
> To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
> Subject: [frers-list]Pole downhaul
>
> Hi all
>
> Persistence currently rigged with pole down on sides of cabintop and=20
> pole up on a clutch on cabintop.  Most boats we sail on (and from=20
> which crew will often be coming) have pole down also on clutch on =
cabintop
beside pole up.
> Has anyone rerouted the pole down to a clutch?  Also has anyone moved=20
> pole down padeye from foredeck to just aft of foredeck hatch?
>
> My goal is to have boat rigged in a way that is familiar to crews that =

> move between boats where possible.  Also want to free up the cam=20
> cleats on side of coachroof for my jib car adjusters
>
> Mike
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