[frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33
Dave Nauber
frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:30:49 -0400
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I have heard of using hose clamps to secure a wrap of inner tube rubber (wh=
erever you can get that these days) above and below. This allows movement o=
f the rudder post and prevents the water coming in. I am reluctant to try t=
his because I think it will add friction to the steering as you would have =
to use more force to twist the rudder post and the further the wheel turns =
the harder the rubber will try to pull it back. I=E2=80=99d rather just fee=
l the force of the water and as little else as possible given that the whee=
l steering already compromises feel.
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David Nauber
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:25 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33
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We do take in some water when it=E2=80=99s rough and the boat is listed ove=
r and pitching, not a big deal but a solution would be good. I have asked =
the pros. And if I get an answer I=E2=80=99ll pass it on.
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Rod
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nauber
Sent: October-24-14 8:54 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33
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Wolverine was built in 1987 and although I don=E2=80=99t know what if any d=
ifferences there are in this regard among the boats, we do take seawater ar=
ound the rudderpost when surfing in big following seas. The water runs unde=
r the engine and into the bilge where it gets pumped back overboard. I woul=
d like a solution to the problem so if anyone has a good recommendation I a=
m all ears. Thanks.
=20
Dave
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David Nauber
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Rod Stright
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33
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Thanks Art. I think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower rudd=
er post is higher in the boat. Perhaps it was a modification to the origin=
al design or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later discovered i=
t wasn=E2=80=99t.
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From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.fre=
rs33.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Kelley
Sent: October-24-14 7:45 AM
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33
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Nothing on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the=
bushing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a sig=
nificant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level so s=
hould never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the rudder=
post will be out of the water!
Art
On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Rod Stright <StrightR@eastlink.ca> wrote:
Hi Guys,
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Just checking to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I have=
removed my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the space be=
tween the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant (approximatel=
y 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing under the quadrant =
(in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from coning=
into the boat. Does anyone have something there. If so what?
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Rod Stright
Equinox=
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" vlink=3D"#954F72"><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span st=
yle=3D'color:#1F497D'>I have heard of using hose clamps to secure a wrap of=
inner tube rubber (wherever you can get that these days) above and below. =
This allows movement of the rudder post and prevents the water coming in. I=
am reluctant to try this because I think it will add friction to the steer=
ing as you would have to use more force to twist the rudder post and the fu=
rther the wheel turns the harder the rubber will try to pull it back. I=E2=
=80=99d rather just feel the force of the water and as little else as possi=
ble given that the wheel steering already compromises feel.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o=
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#B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> frers-lis=
t-admin@lists.frers33.com [mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com] <b>On=
Behalf Of </b>Rod Stright<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 24, 2014 10:25 A=
M<br><b>To:</b> frers-list@lists.frers33.com<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [frers-=
list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We do take in some water when it=E2=80=99s=
rough and the boat is listed over and pitching, not a big deal but a solut=
ion would be good. I have asked the pros. And if I get an answer I=E2=
=80=99ll pass it on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=
=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.=
0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> <a href=3D=
"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.=
com</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">mailto:frers=
-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dave Nauber<br><b>Se=
nt:</b> October-24-14 8:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@li=
sts.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [f=
rers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33<o:p></o:p></p></div></div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Wolverine was built in 1987 and=
although I don=E2=80=99t know what if any differences there are in this re=
gard among the boats, we do take seawater around the rudderpost when surfin=
g in big following seas. The water runs under the engine and into the bilge=
where it gets pumped back overboard. I would like a solution to the proble=
m so if anyone has a good recommendation I am all ears. Thanks.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Dave<o:p><=
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solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a =
href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">frers-list-admin@lists.f=
rers33.com</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">mailt=
o:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rod Stright<b=
r><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 24, 2014 7:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.com</a><br><b>S=
ubject:</b> RE: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Frers 33<o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks Art. I=
think the later boats the quadrant and top of the lower rudder post is hig=
her in the boat. Perhaps it was a modification to the original design=
or they felt it was a concern earlier and then later discovered it wasn=E2=
=80=99t.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA style=
=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:no=
ne;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMso=
Normal><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com">f=
rers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a> [<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list-admin@l=
ists.frers33.com">mailto:frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com</a>] <b>On Beha=
lf Of </b>Arthur Kelley<br><b>Sent:</b> October-24-14 7:45 AM<br><b>To:</b>=
<a href=3D"mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com">frers-list@lists.frers33.c=
om</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [frers-list]Rudder tube on Wheel Equipped Fre=
rs 33<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA><o:=
p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Nothi=
ng on Brilliant either. The clearance between the rudder shaft and the bush=
ing is extremely small so in the worst case should not result in a signific=
ant leak, and the top of the lower tube is well above water level so should=
never be a concern. Even when you lay the boat on its side the rudder post=
will be out of the water!<br><br>Art</span><span lang=3DEN-CA style=3D'fon=
t-size:12.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-CA><br>On Oct 23, 2014, at 12:21 =
PM, Rod Stright <<a href=3D"mailto:StrightR@eastlink.ca">StrightR@eastli=
nk.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D'margin=
-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-C=
A>Hi Guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Just check=
ing to see what arrangements you have on the rudder tube. I have remo=
ved my rudder and the tube looks in good shape. There is the space be=
tween the lower tube and the upper tube to allow the quadrant (approximatel=
y 4 =E2=80=93 5=E2=80=9D). On Equinox there is nothing under the quad=
rant (in or around the upper end of the lower tube) to prevent water from c=
oning into the boat. Does anyone have something there. If so wh=
at?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA> <o:p=
></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Rod Stright<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-CA>Equinox<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>=
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