[frers-list]Re: Rudder issues
austral - martin contal
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Very interesting Brian, did you -or anyone dealing with rudder issues- have
pictures of the assembly?
Cheers,
Martin
:: austral ::
From: frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com
<frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com> On Behalf Of Brian Higgins
Sent: June-25-19 10:39 AM
To: Jerry Black <jcblack099@aol.com>; frers-list@lists.frers33.com
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Rudder issues
Thanks. Pulled the upper bearing assembly apart last night, it shows signs
of the bushing being worn, I've got a small area on port and starboard where
the bushing is worn enough the bronze lip at the bottom has been in contact
with the rudder shaft, making some calls today about getting a new bushing
made for it. There are signs of dirt that got down between from the
cockpit having worn grooves inside there too, so that probably contributed
to the bushing wearing.
We put lithium Grease between the bushing and the post (had a friend from
Norwalk Cove marina give a hand, his advice, and what they put on every
Rudder post they reassemble).
Also of note, on advice of several mechanics and other marine industry
people, I did partially go against the common wisdom of no grease, I put
lewmar gear Grease (winch rebuild Grease) in the post, since it's known for
plastic compatibility and doesn't gunk & clog up. TIme will tell if I
regret doing it, but so far it made a huge (and I mean really huge)
difference in the wheel.
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From: Jerry Black <jcblack099@aol.com <mailto:jcblack099@aol.com> >
Date: 6/25/19 10:05 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: frers-list@lists.frers33.com <mailto:frers-list@lists.frers33.com>
Cc: Brian Higgins <brian@sailingit.com <mailto:brian@sailingit.com> >
Subject: Re: [frers-list]Re: Rudder issues
Have Dawn, will lube. Thanks, the zerc fitting fooled me into thinking
grease ws the answer.
Jerry Black
Pelirrojas
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From: Edgar Smith <Edgar@geomatrixproductions.com
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Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2019 8:56 am
Subject: [frers-list]Re: Rudder issues
There is likely some corrosion and pitting on the rudder post that may be a
factor. I can't say if you have a worn bearing , but we had a similar
problem that was just swelling ad Bob described. On Pachyderm, I lubricate
the rudder post around the rudder cap in the cockpit and into the top of the
tube under the quadrant with dawn dish soap so that it oozes down the post
and into the bushing. I have a flexible straw e-taped onto the bottle so I
can reach past the quadrant by crawling in through the lazarette. Our old
boatyard had lubricated it with grease one year and caused the nylon
bushings to swell and the rudder post bound and squeaked very badly,
especially under load. Letting the dish soap pour down and some rinsing with
a hose seemed to remove the grease and it hasn't been a problem since. It
still squeaks slightly under load but I haven't soaped it yet this season.
The bushings are designed to be self-lubricating. I'm not sure if my picture
will come through on the discussion list, But it shows the straw taped to
the dawn soap bottle needed to get soap in past the quadrant..
--
Edgar Smith
Pachyderm
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alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Very interesting Brian, did you -o=
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g=3DEN-US> frers-list-admin@lists.frers33.com <frers-list-admin@lists.fr=
ers33.com> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brian Higgins<br><b>Sent:</b> June-25-19 =
10:39 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jerry Black <jcblack099@aol.com>; frers-list@l=
ists.frers33.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [frers-list]Re: Rudder issues<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks. Pulled the upper bearing assembly =
apart last night, it shows signs of the bushing being worn, I've got a smal=
l area on port and starboard where the bushing is worn enough the bronze li=
p at the bottom has been in contact with the rudder shaft, making some call=
s today about getting a new bushing made for it. There are sign=
s of dirt that got down between from the cockpit having worn grooves inside=
there too, so that probably contributed to the bushing wearing. <o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal>We put lithium Grease between the bushing and the post =
(had a friend from Norwalk Cove marina give a hand, his advice, and what th=
ey put on every Rudder post they reassemble). <o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
>Also of note, on advice of several mechanics and other marine industry peo=
ple, I did partially go against the common wisdom of no grease, I put lewma=
r gear Grease (winch rebuild Grease) in the post, since it's known for plas=
tic compatibility and doesn't gunk & clog up. TIme will tell if I=
regret doing it, but so far it made a huge (and I mean really huge) differ=
ence in the wheel. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorma=
l><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p=
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099@aol.com">jcblack099@aol.com</a>> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=
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[frers-list]Re: Rudder issues <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Have Dawn, wi=
ll lube. Thanks, the zerc fitting fooled me into thinking grease ws the ans=
wer. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
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div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D=
'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Pelirrojas<br=
><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom=
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div id=3Dyiv0672306737><div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>There is likely some corrosi=
on and pitting on the rudder post that may be a factor. I can’t say i=
f you have a worn bearing , but we had a similar problem that was just swel=
ling ad Bob described. On Pachyderm, I lubricate the rudder post around the=
rudder cap in the cockpit and into the top of the tube under the quadrant =
with dawn dish soap so that it oozes down the post and into the bushing. I =
have a flexible straw e-taped onto the bottle so I can reach past the quadr=
ant by crawling in through the lazarette. Our old boatyard had lubricated i=
t with grease one year and caused the nylon bushings to swell and the rudde=
r post bound and squeaked very badly, especially under load. Letting the di=
sh soap pour down and some rinsing with a hose seemed to remove the grease =
and it hasn’t been a problem since. It still squeaks slightly under l=
oad but I haven’t soaped it yet this season. The bushings are designe=
d to be self-lubricating. I’m not sure if my picture will come throug=
h on the discussion list, But it shows the straw taped to the dawn soap bot=
tle needed to get soap in past the quadrant..</span><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span>=
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